Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[QUOTE=Hidole555;47153441]Hey you with the face
Sign this petition:[URL="https://www.change.org/p/kotaku-polygon-lead-the-way-in-healing-the-rift-in-video-games?just_created=true"]https://www.change.org/p/kotaku-polygon-lead-the-way-in-healing-the-rift-in-video-games?just_created=true[/URL]
It's Mark Kem, the former team lead of WoW calling for Kotaku and Polygon to accept responsibility for helping construct the narrative that ultimately led to the creation of that SVU episode. If they accept, we gain more elbow room to argue our point and credibility as it tacitly dismisses their outlandish claims against us. if they refuse, then it's a spit in the face to game developers, stressing the already tenuous relationship between journos and devs.
Need a longer explanation?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/9YsPhWq.png[/t]
There's your longer explanation.
Now spread this as much as you can. Spread it on Twitter, spread it on Facebook, spread it on your goddamn toast if you have to, just spread it.
For those of you in an e-mail sending mood, here's the latest list of sites that were implicated in GameJournoPros.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/tkj0ayF.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Can anyone kindly inform me why Gamasutra is on that list? How is it struggling? Why does one female blogger lead to a witch hunt against the whole site?
[editline]16th February 2015[/editline]
Sign that petition though guys.
[QUOTE=Monkah;47155295]Unless they've made some ToS breach that I'm unaware of, that is.[/QUOTE]
This is what people are using to force the hand of Google.
[QUOTE=Jordax;47154246]I seriously don't know if it is such a good idea.
[...][/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.change.org/p/kotaku-lead-the-way-in-healing-the-rift-in-video-games/u/9694466"]Seems like it's (mostly) fixed now.[/URL]
[editline]late[/editline] I didn't read the rest of the thread again.
Anyway, it seems like things are moving forward again slowly.
Also the Cytherea news article and the videos were hard to read/watch.
I can see why it wouldn't be profitable for news outlets to report it, because it's something many people want to not know about, but to me that kind are the stories that should be told.
[editline]17th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fangz;47154762]Honestly I equate the petition to gaming's 'The Ninety-Five Theses on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences', hence why I am for it.
If they decide to exile instead of address the issues, it will paint them in an even more negative light.[/QUOTE]
That's thinking a bit highly of it but yes, it's not going to cause problems for us as it is now and there are some parallels.
[IMG]http://i.gyazo.com/a81b78a7b6c664f74ca4643e57afbcb5.png[/IMG]
hey look, we're a harassment campaign now!
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;47154823]Aw, I was hoping it was someone lampooning Intimidation Game.[/QUOTE]
There was someone else, with some kind of skeletal jaw mask or something.
It's in that "article" that was trending of Facebook I think.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;47155443]There was someone else, with some kind of skeletal jaw mask or something.
It's in that "article" that was trending of Facebook I think.[/QUOTE]That's Tyce.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/VlYyxWU.jpg[/IMG]
I love how people are starting to adopt the whole 'skull' / 'undead' symbol to support Gamergate. Such a clever way of having the whole 'gamers are dead' shitstorm backfire on them-- even if it is a tad edgy.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;47155328]Can anyone kindly inform me why Gamasutra is on that list? How is it struggling? Why does one female blogger lead to a witch hunt against the whole site?
[editline]16th February 2015[/editline]
Sign that petition though guys.[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking mental? She's the [b]EiC[/b] of the entire site and has final authority over [b]anything[/b] posted there.
blogger.
roflmfao.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;47155516]That's Tyce.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow :v:
Did he actually threaten her or was she stretching the truth again?
[QUOTE=Tamschi;47155673]Oh wow :v:
Did he actually threaten her or was she stretching the truth again?[/QUOTE]
Tyce is parkourdude91, right?
If so, then their could've been a street race.
Looks like Polygon responded:
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/benresponds_zpsaaa6698b.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Monkah;47155543]
I love how people are starting to adopt the whole 'skull' / 'undead' symbol to support Gamergate.
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Way ahead of them.
[QUOTE=Fangz;47155736]Looks like Polygon responded:
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/benresponds_zpsaaa6698b.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Way ahead of him.
If I could change my title to be undead proto-hipster I would.
[QUOTE=DuCT;47155710]Tyce is parkourdude91, right?
If so, then their could've been a street race.[/QUOTE]
no jace is parkourdude91
tyce is his arch nemesis, tyce is a druggie illiterate white power idiot that has barely more iq then jace's other friend eli
[QUOTE=Fangz;47155736]Looks like Polygon responded:
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/benresponds_zpsaaa6698b.png[/img][/QUOTE]
So instead of trying to change hearts and minds (or simply acknowledging differences of opinion) he'd rather lose readership. I'm not sure if that's admirable in it's determination, flat-out stupid, or maybe just both :v:
Honestly they should just start a site like StormFront, just go balls out with their ACTUAL morality and mental disposition, and let people fund them. Keeps all the bullshit in one place and therein it can be casually and safely ignored.
[QUOTE=Fangz;47155736]Looks like Polygon responded:
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/benresponds_zpsaaa6698b.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I have absolutely no respect for people who actively try to alienate their audience. You don't want a particular group of people to read your shit? Fine, then you don't deserve to have any readers whatsoever. Run your career right into the ground and end up living on the streets. You won't be so eager to alienate the people who would help you earn your living then, would you?
Not to mention that he completely missed the point that the petition was trying to convey. It was the fault of him and the assholes like him that shit got to the point it did. His eagerness to alienate certain members of his audience is the problem, not the audience itself. If he wants to keep his career, it'd be in his best interests to own up to his mistakes and take the olive branch that's been extended to him. But of course he won't. He will continue to deny any wrongdoing on his part right up to the point where him and his butt-buddies are exposed to the world as the liars and hypocrites they are. Only then will he even consider begging for forgiveness. And he will get none.
Fuck these assholes. I can't wait for the moment when all this bullshit finally bites them all in their asses. I wish it'd hurry up and come already.
I don't understand why he's even in video game journalism if he hates his own target audience. Worse off, he publicly announced it. You'd think doing something like that would make you a liability to your company, like a clerk that tells customers to fuck off, except in this case most of them don't hear it.
He could probably say "I hate Polygon with a passion too" and he'd still have his job.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;47156043]I don't understand why he's even in video game journalism if he hates his own target audience. Worse off, he publicly announced it. You'd think doing something like that would make you a liability to your company, like a clerk that tells customers to fuck off, except in this case most of them don't hear it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he realizes what his target audience actually is; that, and he's gone for "GG = harassment" hook, line, and sinker.
Wait WTF is that Polygons official statement ,who the hell manages their publicity?
[QUOTE=Everstvetita;47154407]Mark Kern just updated the petition, It's more favorable now. He holds the gaming press responsible.
[url]https://www.change.org/p/kotaku-lead-the-way-in-healing-the-rift-in-video-games[/url][/QUOTE]
I still won't support the petition...despite me accidentally signing it and I don't think I can withdraw it but besides that, I don't support it. I want to see the companies come to US, not the other way around.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;47153441]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/tkj0ayF.png[/t][/QUOTE]
What does Struggling and Closing mean?
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;47155064]What the [B]fuck [/B]is with the most popular articles?[I]
The Unbearable Awkwardness of Being (with a Dick-Sucking Robot)
My Life as a Sexy Sonic
How to Make Breakfast With Your Vagina[/I]
Credible news source you have there...[/QUOTE]
Actually the vagina breakfast article was pretty interesting, maybe it should get an SH thread.
[QUOTE=Xonax;47156108]I still won't support the petition...despite me accidentally signing it and I don't think I can withdraw it but besides that, I don't support it. I want to see the companies come to US, not the other way around.
What does Struggling and Closing mean?[/QUOTE]
Closing = the site itself is closing. In this case, AOL killed off Joystiq.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;47156147]Closing = the site itself is closing. In this case, AOL killed off Joystiq.[/QUOTE]
Was it because of GG?
[QUOTE=Fangz;47155736]Looks like Polygon responded:
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/benresponds_zpsaaa6698b.png[/img][/QUOTE]
He wants to lose his target audience
That's bad business, Ben
[QUOTE=Fangz;47155736]Looks like Polygon responded:
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/benresponds_zpsaaa6698b.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I honestly think that he thinks that money just comes to him out of no where and not job related at all.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47155001]i have a feeling this will be relevant soon
[url]https://archive.today/sDRND[/url][/QUOTE]
The massive pile of dead SWAT officers I rack up in Payday 2 is going to fuck me up bigtime, I guess. :v:
[editline]17th February 2015[/editline]
Cloaker in my room!! OSHI--
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;47156358]The massive pile of dead SWAT officers I rack up in Payday 2 is going to fuck me up bigtime, I guess. :v:
[editline]17th February 2015[/editline]
Cloaker in my room!! OSHI--[/QUOTE]
You call this resisting arrest?
Here's a twitlonger from Boogie:
[url]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skndrn[/url]
[QUOTE]So there is currently a petition floating around addressing the folks at Kotaku/Polygon to attempt to breech the gap between gamers (most notably gamergaters) and the journalists at these websites.
If you're curious about this petition, you can find it here:
[url]https://www.change.org/p/kotaku-lead-the-way-in-healing-the-rift-in-video-games[/url]
The petition in very direct terms blames these websites for the rift that was created, most notably referring to the Law and Order SVU episode about gamergate. It says it is their responsibility to help mend this wound.
People are looking to me to endorse this thing, and for good reason. They want me to call this the olive branch and to help put pressure in creating the outcome i've always wanted; For this whole gamergate thing to finally end and for us to get back on the path of fixing the industry.
When gamergate happened, a lot of things happened to me. Gamergate took a toll on my mental and physical well being. I was harassed. I was doxxed. We received death threats. People always presume it was from those nasty 'gators'. they are wrong, it came from both sides. No matter.
I decided a long time ago to shut down, shut up, and go back to business as usual. I've decided to ignore gamergate as a whole and just focus on my own personal 'gets'. some of which align with what a lot of gamergaters want. Most notably; a cleaner and more inclusive gaming culture, as well as a cleaner and less corrupt gaming press.
Because of this I have entirely written Kotaku and Polygon out of my personal equation. I do not read their websites. I do not care. This is PARTICULARLY difficult to do because for a very long time, I really loved Kotaku. I loved the writers there. I loved the people. They also seemed to love me. All those things seem to change though when they perceived me as 'one of those nasty gators' simply because I didn't tow the line. No matter.
I don't THINK about kotaku or polygon any more. I don't read their articles. I don't care what they do or so. It just doesn't really factor into how I do my job or how I play games. I do me and I let them do them.
I wish I did not feel this way. I wish I could wholeheartedly endorse this petition hoping that they'll comply and we can fix this shit. I wish I still felt that the folks at Kotaku were friends, if not peers. Now I just don't think of them at all. I hope one day they decide that they want to breech the gap that has been created between us, but most likely they don't care either way.
A long time ago Kotaku asked me to stop by and hang out in their offices. I can't imagine that they still feel that way about me, but I sure wish they did. I'd love to rebuild that bridge. but I won't sign a petition begging them to do so.
Best of luck,
boogie[/QUOTE]
Something about the way that petition is worded feels wrong. Honestly I'd rather watch those sites burn and not have to bother with some petition that almost never works.
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