• Human Augmentation - It will change everything!
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[QUOTE=Clavus;29894465]Don't know if this was posted before, but this was just released as a Deus Ex HR promo: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4W5cTunKsg[/media] I genuinely believe that we'll be seeing similar 'commercials' in a few decades. I really think that after the information revolution that came with the internet, the augmentation revolution is next in line.[/QUOTE] In 20 years, Touch Bionics will be the Sarif Industries. I called it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clW2ySP_6MA[/media] That's his first time wearing it. No practice. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13378036[/url] Just the subtle, life like motions of the fingers turn the unsettling uncanny valley look of a dead prosthesis into something that looks absolutely badass.
In that Deus Ex promo, the muscle patterns on the guys arm. Yeah as soon as we get some decent artificial substances that can function similar to muscle tissue, modelling it as a complete replica of human muscle tissue patterns is the best solution. Maybe improve on it from after that but we have that pattern wired into out brains, we have made everything for that pattern of movement, we think it's odd if we don't have that. If you are making human replacements, replicate humans.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29926277]Well at least until they can make it possible for continuous upgrade any way.[/QUOTE] You can only upgrade things to a certain point until you need to throw the whole thing out and get a new one though.
[QUOTE=Nerts;29926460]You can only upgrade things to a certain point until you need to throw the whole thing out and get a new one though.[/QUOTE] OR just replace more of it.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29926450]In that Deus Ex promo, the muscle patterns on the guys arm. Yeah as soon as we get some decent artificial substances that can function similar to muscle tissue, modelling it as a complete replica of human muscle tissue patterns is the best solution. Maybe improve on it from after that but we have that pattern wired into out brains, we have made everything for that pattern of movement, we think it's odd if we don't have that. If you are making human replacements, replicate humans.[/QUOTE] I don't see the point in just recreating a limb as it was when even with the technology when have at the moment add so many more senses and functions to our bodies. [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;29926531]OR just replace more of it.[/QUOTE] There's going to be a point when that's going to be more trouble than replacing it, think about PCs, with a PC from 2001, it'd be cheaper to sell the thing and get another PC from scratch than try to mix and match parts so that it's going to be able to run more modern software.
[QUOTE=Nerts;29926537]I don't see the point in just recreating a limb as it was when even with the technology when have at the moment add so many more senses and functions to our bodies. [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] There's going to be a point when that's going to be more trouble than replacing it, think about PCs, with a PC from 2001, it'd be cheaper to sell the thing and get another PC from scratch than try to mix and match parts so that it's going to be able to run more modern software.[/QUOTE] You only really need the brain to stay alive in the end
[QUOTE=Nerts;29926537]I don't see the point in just recreating a limb as it was when even with the technology when have at the moment add so many more senses and functions to our bodies.[/QUOTE] I'm talking from a muscle design view. Why try and design a system to have the proper range of movement for a hand and make it look natural when you can just copy something that is already there. Surely you would fix a few natural defects but we want it to be as realistic and close to the original as possible.
I'd like eyes that could switch through different viewing modes, like low-light/night vision, infra-red, full spectrum etc. Being able to have a HUD would be cool too.
[QUOTE=Nerts;29926537]I don't see the point in just recreating a limb as it was when even with the technology when have at the moment add so many more senses and functions to our bodies. [editline]19th May 2011[/editline] There's going to be a point when that's going to be more trouble than replacing it, think about PCs, with a PC from 2001, it'd be cheaper to sell the thing and get another PC from scratch than try to mix and match parts so that it's going to be able to run more modern software.[/QUOTE] I'm going to have to disagree, we want to make the new prosthetic limbs look as close to the originals as possible, adding new senses would also be difficult as our brain would not be wired to understand them.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29926871]I'm going to have to disagree, we want to make the new prosthetic limbs look as close to the originals as possible, adding new senses would also be difficult as our brain would not be wired to understand them.[/QUOTE] The brain is brilliant at adapting, we have many more than five senses, think of hunger and thermal senses, bladder control. Adding the ability to 'feel' magnetic fields would be amazing for electricians, electrical engineers, and the like. At the very least the brain will be able to cope with it with practice.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29926871]I'm going to have to disagree, we want to make the new prosthetic limbs look as close to the originals as possible, adding new senses would also be difficult as our brain would not be wired to understand them.[/QUOTE] I think you're underestimating the brain's ability to adapt, people with brain damage can re-learn pretty much anything they've lost, I'd say adding little things to a fully functional brain would be much easier for it.
[QUOTE=Kill coDer;29926910]The brain is brilliant at adapting, we have many more than five senses, think of hunger and thermal senses, bladder control. Adding the ability to 'feel' magnetic fields would be amazing for electricians, electrical engineers, and the like. At the very least the brain will be able to cope with it with practice.[/QUOTE] Err, bladder control isn't a sense, it's a function.
"Oh man, my left arm is so outdated, I really gotta replace it for a 480HXT series arm. Maybe I'll even upgrade my ears while I'm at it."
[QUOTE=Bokito;29927192]"Oh man, my left arm is so outdated, I really gotta replace it for a 480HXT series arm. Maybe I'll even upgrade my ears while I'm at it."[/QUOTE] I'm gonna get a console if it's going to be like that :v:
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29927295]I'm gonna get a console if it's going to be like that :v:[/QUOTE] So it needs completely replaced every few years and you lose your insurance if you modify it? :v:
[QUOTE=Kill coDer;29926910]The brain is brilliant at adapting, we have many more than five senses, think of hunger and thermal senses, bladder control. Adding the ability to 'feel' magnetic fields would be amazing for electricians, electrical engineers, and the like. At the very least the brain will be able to cope with it with practice.[/QUOTE] Almost exact reason I want some of those Neodymium implants. The brain can handle additional signals, but it may not be able to discern them easily unless you help it. If everything creates a similar tingling sensation from current then it's going to be difficult to tell which one is a magnetic field and which one is their alarm clock. It needs some thought.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29927343]Almost exact reason I want some of those Neodymium implants. The brain can handle additional signals, but it may not be able to discern them easily unless you help it. If everything creates a similar tingling sensation from current then it's going to be difficult to tell which one is a magnetic field and which one is their alarm clock. It needs some thought.[/QUOTE] I find that hard to believe because the cerebrum uses all the available space it has just with what you were born with. The brain has shown the ability to allocate more space to a particular use if an adjacent area becomes unused however it doesn't just grow to accommodate new information and white matter isn't designed for adaption but speed due to the myelinated neurons.. So you probably could have a new sense if you wanted to give up processing power from another part of your body but starting in your late teens your brain loses the ability to adapt by purging unused and excess neurons to make your thinking more efficient. That is generally why you ideally want to learn new skills before puberty. It looks like prosthetic will be designed to mimic what you already have unless they are given to you at a very young age.
I disagree, learning is an innate skill that you have to work on, older people have problems learning new skills because they've been out of the education system and haven't been keeping their ability to learn in good shape. Any one can learn even the most abstract of concepts as long as they put the effort in.
[QUOTE=Nerts;29927897]I disagree, learning is an innate skill that you have to work on, older people have problems learning new skills because they've been out of the education system and haven't been keeping their ability to learn in good shape. Any one can learn even the most abstract of concepts as long as they put the effort in.[/QUOTE] I don't think you can stop learning either but I do believe it gets tougher with age if you don't exercise it. As with new sense I don't think that is possible unless it was given to you at a very young age or you have taken it away from another area of the brain. The Neuroplasticity article on wikipedia gives a good summary of neurogenesis arguments and learning if you're interested. My knowledge is however only Grade 12 Biology and whatever I read on the Internet.
[QUOTE=Diagger;29929164]I don't think you can stop learning either but I do believe it gets tougher with age if you don't exercise it. As with new sense I don't think that is possible unless it was given to you at a very young age or you have taken it away from another area of the brain. The Neuroplasticity article on wikipedia gives a good summary of neurogenesis arguments and learning if you're interested. My knowledge is however only Grade 12 Biology and whatever I read on the Internet.[/QUOTE] The brain can certainly cope with new senses, that person I posted about on page 2, Lepht Anonym, uses neodymium magnets in her fingers to sense magnetic fields. She can draw diagrams of fields, tell when the laptop she's using's hard drive is writing to disk and find power cables in walls. She has a very firm grasp of her new sense within a matter of weeks.
[QUOTE=petieng;29926291]In 20 years, Touch Bionics will be the Sarif Industries. I called it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clW2ySP_6MA[/media] That's his first time wearing it. No practice. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13378036[/url] Just the subtle, life like motions of the fingers turn the unsettling uncanny valley look of a dead prosthesis into something that looks absolutely badass.[/QUOTE] In the second video... the fact that he can actually spin it around is so fucking cool. God damn.
Awesome that we're actually this advanced that we are possible to replace dysfunctional hand with functional robotic ones.
[QUOTE=Nerts;29929479]The brain can certainly cope with new senses, that person I posted about on page 2, Lepht Anonym, uses neodymium magnets in her fingers to sense magnetic fields. She can draw diagrams of fields, tell when the laptop she's using's hard drive is writing to disk and find power cables in walls. She has a very firm grasp of her new sense within a matter of weeks.[/QUOTE] Her brain did not have to interpret anything new. What she did is stimulating existing touch receptors and interpreting them as a resistive object.
What can we use to create bio-electricity?
[QUOTE=Diagger;29933807]Her brain did not have to interpret anything new. What she did is stimulating existing touch receptors and interpreting them as a resistive object.[/QUOTE] It's using the existing nerves, yes, but it's a completely new sense distinct from the other senses of pressure, heat, ect. her fingers already had. [QUOTE=Doctor_Communism;29936069]What can we use to create bio-electricity?[/QUOTE] Erm, nerve cells? They're kind of full of the stuff as is.
[QUOTE=Diagger;29927425]I find that hard to believe because the cerebrum uses all the available space it has just with what you were born with. The brain has shown the ability to allocate more space to a particular use if an adjacent area becomes unused however it doesn't just grow to accommodate new information and white matter isn't designed for adaption but speed due to the myelinated neurons.. So you probably could have a new sense if you wanted to give up processing power from another part of your body but starting in your late teens your brain loses the ability to adapt by purging unused and excess neurons to make your thinking more efficient. That is generally why you ideally want to learn new skills before puberty. It looks like prosthetic will be designed to mimic what you already have unless they are given to you at a very young age.[/QUOTE] Uh, I wasn't so much thinking of adding actual new senses, just make new uses for the ones we have. The Neodymium implants just stimulate nerve endings with current and make a tingling feeling. Various things that your body already has sensors set up for and activating the lesser used ones for other uses. It's more a matter of association in will someone learn that a feeling at one point means something and another means something else. [editline]20th May 2011[/editline] So yeah, it's kind of mimicking that we already have, just making new uses for it.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29937892]Uh, I wasn't so much thinking of adding actual new senses, just make new uses for the ones we have. The Neodymium implants just stimulate nerve endings with current and make a tingling feeling. Various things that your body already has sensors set up for and activating the lesser used ones for other uses. It's more a matter of association in will someone learn that a feeling at one point means something and another means something else. [editline]20th May 2011[/editline] So yeah, it's kind of mimicking that we already have, just making new uses for it.[/QUOTE] Yea yea okay I agree with that but I still did learn that the cerebrum has limited space and I'd contribute more but my girlfriend hates facepunch and is attacking me.
All of this human augmentation talk reminds of the Brotherhood of Nod's ReGenesis project from Renegade. Technically subjects were injected with Tiberium in a controlled method and mutated in hours into Homo-sapien Tiberius. In laymens term Nod put Science stuff in people and got this. [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080625150541/cnc/images/7/7c/CNCR_Raveshaw_Mutated.jpg[/img] But I like being a Caveman. No augmentation until its perfected in reality.
[QUOTE=Xieneus;29939228]All of this human augmentation talk reminds of the Brotherhood of Nod's ReGenesis project from Renegade. Technically subjects were injected with Tiberium in a controlled method and mutated in hours into Homo-sapien Tiberius. In laymens term Nod put Science stuff in people and got this. [img_thumb]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080625150541/cnc/images/7/7c/CNCR_Raveshaw_Mutated.jpg[/img_thumb] But I like being a Caveman. No augmentation until its perfected in reality.[/QUOTE] Renegade...
Best laser weapons in a FPS ever. Stealth Black Hand Operative was the best class for base nuking.
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