Metal Megathread (the thread to house all your glam-death hardcore satanic flame wars) - General

Yes, they are very overrated. But honestly I think they are better than Megadeth, well except for 'deths first albums. [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Reset Panda;27650514]And depsite Megadeth coming late into the picture, were probably the most influential. After all, the bands who cite Metallica as an influence are all these modern metalcore bands like Trivium and Sellout for my Valentine[/QUOTE] Is this true for the first-wave thrash bands? [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] I won't deny that Metallica totally sold out though

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;27651788]one of the most overrated bands in the world if not THE[/QUOTE] The Beatles? :v: (Putting on my flame-retardant suit and my Shitstorm-B-Gone spray as I type this. :v:)

nah, they beatles actually changed music pretty much entirely with their career, and were INCREDIBLY influential so despite me not being a fan of the music they're not overrated But Metallica didn't really do very much for music and are definitely the biggest metal band ever because they sold out super style. [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] Fuckin' yeah :frogc00l: Napalm death and Nevermore announced for Bloodstock :rock:

yeah about nevermore, their singer is totally awesome, but I don't care for their songs much, they just don't seem that well-written to me Anyone know of a band that uses similar vocals? like this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRJbo41oqQ[/media]

[QUOTE=mynames2long;27652921]Yes, they are very overrated. But honestly I think they are better than Megadeth, well except for 'deths first albums. [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] Is this true for the first-wave thrash bands? [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] I won't deny that Metallica totally sold out though[/QUOTE] When it comes to thrash Metallica and thrash Megadeth, the latter utterly blows Metallica out of the water however when it comes to the countdown to extinction and the black album era, i couldn't decide since i don't like either

I like Youthanasia but hate Countdown to extinction

[QUOTE=mynames2long;27649954]Yeah, honestly I think Slayer & Anthrax did more for the evolution of the metal genre[/QUOTE] -------------------------------TL;DR SECTION-------------------------------- no, not really. Metallica's music was far more progressive within the genre. Slayer's first album was really nothing more than a sped up venom record, and Anthrax just played Iron Maiden riffs sped up as well with some Saxon/Budgie mixed in. Metallica was the first real band among the group to take heavy hardcore punk influence and re-infuse blues roots into the genre (which by 1982 were pretty sparse, most of the blues influence in Metallica actually comes from Dave). Onwards, in 1984, Slayer finally started taking more influence from bands like Minor Threat, etc, as exampled in "Undisputed Attitude," as well as Celtic Frost and Hellhammer. This is where they diverged outwards to a more extreme form of thrash that would later be perfected by Kreator. Anthrax, on the other hand, was just put out their first album, which has very very heavy NWOBHM influence, as well as some melodic punk influence, bands like Voivod and Watchtower paving a truly progressive path over in the north. Metallica, on the other hand, had created the first thrash ballad and first thrash instrumental epic on the same record, which I would say is more innovative than what slayer or anthrax were doing combined. It was in 1985 that Anthrax and Slayer really started to show their stuff. With Reign in Blood and Spreading the Disease, Anthrax sporting a new vocalist, Slayer essentially perfected the melding of Hardcore Punk and Metal, as well as chromatic based riffing, setting the path for Crossover Thrash. Anthrax, on the other hand, created a much more flowing form of thrash, which grooved along rather than just sped along. Metallica on the other hand was just touring RTL. Megadeth put out their first album as well, returning blues to thrash, and really putting technicality back into thrash, ultimately paving the path for all technically progressive and some shred thrash bands (though it's arguable Malmsteen was equally if not a greater influence on the guitar playing in this realm). Also note that 1985 Reign wasn't released, but they essentially played the whole album during touring pre-release. 1986 is where the big four really ceased to have influence within the scene, bands that really pushed the limits like Kreator, Sepultura, and Bathory really spreading their wings, as well as younger progressive bands like Toxik and Intruder, etc taking a head, as well as DRI and Anthrax's side project SOD taking head in the Crossover Thrash realm. Now despite having little influence within the scene, the larger bands still have a larger scale influence. 86 marked the actual release of Reign, though I believe the simple touring around it was more monumental and them playing all the songs live is what made people so psyched for the record. Metallica put out master of puppets, pulling another level of bizarre musicianship into the genre, playing manilla road riffs backwards, having another large instrumental, and really creating a record that was extremely drum-centric unlike anything else in thrash. Anthrax here didn't release anything besides the Madhouse EP (a cut from the 1985 album mind you). Megadeth put out peace sells, putting another HARSH shot of blues and jazz into the vein of metal, really at this point the only band with influence within the scene, Metallica thrown to the side for not being "metal" enough, Anthrax just there doing the same shit over and over, though extremely well, and Slayer at their peak. You'd think Slayer would have more influence, mind you, but in interviews with bands like Kreator and Sepultura, it's important to note that they always say they had little ear to the american scene, but rather were listening to Venom as Slayer had when they first started. Regardless, in 1987 Anthrax got their first foothold in actual inovation within the scene, putting out Among The Living, essentially the first groove metal record. Metallica didn't do anything, Megadeth put out So Far So Good which did well commercially thanks to music videos and such but was put down within the scene due to the visible band conflicts within Megadeth (thus the hiatus from 87-90). Slayer kept touring on Reign in Blood material, working on South of Heaven. Anyway, my point in this history is this.. -------------------------------------------TL;DR BREAK-------------------------------------------------- Read above if you want more detail on each of the synopsis-es Metallica: Very little influence within the scene after Ride the Lightning, but very innovative work regardless on each record. [quote]After all, the bands who cite Metallica as an influence are all these modern metalcore bands like Trivium and Sellout for my Valentine[/quote] Metallica is an influence on EVERY metal band today, pop or otherwise, besides perhaps a few of the brutal death metal bands etc. They did incredibly innovative things and are not only cited by shitty metalcore, but modern progressive thrash, crossover thrash, progressive metal, and everything in between. Don't forgot that Anthrax themselves paid tribute to Metallica with a Phantom Lord cover, as well as Destruction covering Whiplash, and everyone's modern Prog Metal favorites Dream Theater covering an entire Metallica album! Anthrax: Truly completely unoriginal in their inception, but flawless in their execution. It would be only Among the Living that would stand among their works as influential, though not with in the genre itself, but rather in the creation of Groove Metal. Slayer: The only reason this band stands out above bands doing the EXACT same thing is they continued to innovate by incorporating Hardcore Punk elements and just after slowing down on South of Heaven, where bands like Hellhammer fell apart and Dark Angel got stuck in the same old rut and never went anywhere with their music. Any self respecting metal fan can see Slayer covered pretty much every base other than the melodic one, which Metallica had complete control over, though they didn't really push any boundaries in their first two years (82ish-83) as you can pretty much pick up any obscure speed metal release from 83 and confuse it with Slayer. Megadeth: A late player in the game, this band was truly the most technical of the group, and brought the most progressive elements while maintaining speed (where as voivod etc could play and write extremely technical riffs, but their technical riffs were absolutely devoid of any groove) drawing from both blues, and thanks to the GENIUS of Chris Poland and Gar, jazz. In the creation of more progressive metal, technically speaking, particularly within "speed metal," these are your guys. They're all innovative and influential in their own right, just in different ways. I personally would say if I had to list the most influential... Metallica Megadeth Slayer Anthrax Note that Anthrax is still EXTREMELY influential, particularly SOD! Slayer was not really influential at all in the early days, at all... It's only due to the sheer number of fans they have that they're so influential really.

[QUOTE=ThePutty;27653287]When it comes to thrash Metallica and thrash Megadeth, the latter utterly blows Metallica out of the water however when it comes to the countdown to extinction and the black album era, i couldn't decide since i don't like either[/QUOTE] Yeah they're both good, I just prefer Metallicas style of riffing and vocals Rust in Peace is still one of my favorite albums of all time though [QUOTE=Vedicardi;27653511]fucktonne of info[/QUOTE] I am now more educated in the area of 80s thrash Did you pull all of this from the top of your head? I must say I am impressed also I think its synapsii

yeah all off of the top of my head lol I love thrash. don't get me started on what influenced/created thrash lol

That is pretty awesome post I am now a smarter man than I once was

Then perhaps you can answer this question too: Why is the retarded popmetal shit called metalcore? I honestly don't hear any punk in there at all more punk in thrash metal tbh

I personally define it as pop metal nowadays. It used to take the shouting and aggresion of hardcore punk like agnostic front and other crossover punk bands, fused with groove metal, but nowadays, with the added "pop" element, it's far more "pop metal" or as some like to call it "melodic metalcore" than it is anything else. It's just like emo in that they define themselves as within said genre, though it has little connection to the original Example of original metalcore. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHJrg1W7Q0[/media] Modern metalcore [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqI-6xag8Mg[/media] [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] essentially, metalcore bands are what green day is to punk rock. It used to be pretty cool and real, but now it's all just pop-raped commercial garbage that relies on being trendy.

Well yeah, except for the fact that you can still hear the punk in Green day, in the rhythm mostly, those straight sixteenth notes and three chord songs

Green Day are still punk rock metalcore is not hardcore and often not really metal either new metalcore anyway

[QUOTE=mynames2long;27654222]Well yeah, except for the fact that you can still hear the punk in Green day, in the rhythm mostly, those straight sixteenth notes and three chord songs[/QUOTE] I'm referring specifically to the latest album, songs like 21 Guns, etc.

I've not listened to that yet listening to 21 guns on youtube now so I can actually make an opinion/contribute

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;27654251]Green Day are still punk rock metalcore is not hardcore and often not really metal either new metalcore anyway[/QUOTE] they just rip generic riffs like triplet gallops and things like that. There is still "metal" but only in the riffs they play, not the "style" of the music, the presentation, the lyrics, etc, etc [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mikeyt493;27654311]I've not listened to that yet listening to 21 guns on youtube now so I can actually make an opinion/contribute[/QUOTE] lol prepare to have your mind blown

sellout much this is not punk [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Vedicardi;27654317]they just rip generic riffs like triplet gallops and things like that. There is still "metal" but only in the riffs they play, not the "style" of the music, the presentation, the lyrics, etc, etc [/QUOTE] yeah I mean listen to this lol [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd-lbg1QQ-Y[/media] I don't dislike ADTR but come on :v: Also this song has literally 6 or 7 breakdowns in it, I remember counting one time lol.

things like that are really just abusing elements of a genre. For example BFMV just playing mindless chord progressions as triplets. It'd have to write a serious college length paper on why that's a terrible thing to do to properly explain it. [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] But it is a terrible thing regardless.

Anything by Norma Jean. I went to see them (Devil Sold his Soul were supporting Architects and they were on the bill) last year, they had a song which had a breakdown intro (such a thing by logic shouldn't be possible), another breakdown in the middle of the song, then another breakdown... WHICH HAD A SECOND BREAKDOWN IN IT. :byodood:

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;27654345]sellout much this is not punk [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] yeah I mean listen to this lol [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd-lbg1QQ-Y[/media] I don't dislike ADTR but come on :v: Also this song has literally 6 or 7 breakdowns in it, I remember counting one time lol.[/QUOTE] That wasn't too bad for being shit if you know what I'm saying [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Vedicardi;27654482]things like that are really just abusing elements of a genre. For example BFMV just playing mindless chord progressions as triplets. It'd have to write a serious college length paper on why that's a terrible thing to do to properly explain it. [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] But it is a terrible thing regardless.[/QUOTE] I mean shit in this sense

[url=http://www.squidoo.com/big-four-tour]So I'm going to California soon, I suppose.[/url]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqwgM3G96YM[/media] Rock Sound just posted this video, and I was positively surprised because I used to listen to them a lot and I know they're not a very known band. It's cool, but I miss the way they were on their demo when they also had hip hop in the mix.

RobChappers [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5LbJhLFkio&feature=channel[/MEDIA] [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxAQ5ospeMg&feature=player_embedded[/MEDIA] that is all

Where do I start if I want to get into metal?

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;27657563]Where do I start if I want to get into metal?[/QUOTE] What kind of metal?

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV0j3DOoWjo[/MEDIA] :unsmigghh:

[QUOTE=mynames2long;27657685]What kind of metal?[/QUOTE] Christian Metal

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;27659199]Christian Metal[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX_Qj_HWEpw[/media] It's has the word Jesus in it, so it must be christian.

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;27659199]Christian Metal[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t51pJZCGn6I[/media] It has the word "God" in the title, so it must be christian. :downs: