Metal Megathread (the thread to house all your glam-death hardcore satanic flame wars)
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[QUOTE=Vedicardi;27711954]How are melodic vocals pushing any boundaries? Or the bland musicianship in most of their bands? It's not progressive, it's boring. It's fucking mainstream[/QUOTE]
I never said melodic vocals alone were doing anything of the sort. I also never said that prog as a whole is pushing boundaries. Prog as a whole seems to less concerned with "pushing boundaries" so much as exploring what is available nowadays.
Something I CAN agree with you on is that it's incredibly easy to be labelled progressive nowadays, many bands which are are done so erroneously, but the fact remains that of actual progressive metal bands, I still can't think of any bands which share the traits you're complaining about, so once again, please post examples
[editline]28th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27711847]lol missing the point. I don't have a problem with Tool, or their music and I sure as FUCK don't want another lecture on how ground breaking they are, I've heard it too many times to give a shit anymore.
I just find their easily impressed fans who spout their pseudo psychological bullshit 24/7 a bit wearing. They act like just because they've listened to Lateralus a bunch of times they're at peace with the universe and that they understand the human condition better than a fucking psychiatrist. My best friend is one of them and oh god when he went through his Tool phase I didn't like being around him much.
Don't me wrong, they're not a bad band. I'm just sick of hearing about how amazing they are.[/QUOTE]
Like I said in my first reply, it's still incredibly unfair to judge and complain about a band based on it's fanbase
I find the fanbase more aggravating than anything else I've ever come across in my life
I'll stick with it, thanks
I used to be the same as you. Fact remains rejecting something because of the furore around it does nothing but harm your own enjoyment.
This coming from someone who openly admits to loving My Chemical Romance and Tool and with a Metallica album in his top 5 favourites :v:
You obviously didn't comprehend what I said
I have no problem with Tool and my opinion of them is by no means linked to their fanbase.
I hate one, the other I think is slightly overrated but they have some good songs. I'm not rejecting them because their fans are washed up hippies, I'm rejecting them because I never truly enjoyed their music.
[editline]29th January 2011[/editline]
That straightforward enough for you?
that's really not saying much
[editline]28th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;27712107]I used to be the same as you. Fact remains rejecting something because of the furore around it does nothing but harm your own enjoyment.
This coming from someone who openly admits to loving My Chemical Romance and Tool and with a Metallica album in his top 5 favourites :v:[/QUOTE]
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Okay fuck, I'll break it down more
Tool = not a bad band
Their stereotypical fans = I detest and hate them
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;27712043]I never said melodic vocals alone were doing anything of the sort. I also never said that prog as a whole is pushing boundaries. Prog as a whole seems to less concerned with "pushing boundaries" so much as exploring what is available nowadays.
Something I CAN agree with you on is that it's incredibly easy to be labelled progressive nowadays, many bands which are are done so erroneously, but the fact remains that of actual progressive metal bands, I still can't think of any bands which share the traits you're complaining about, so once again, please post examples
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I don't know my roommate just listened to them. I don't know what the names of the bands were.
Here's something that kinda sounds like it, though not quite as shitty
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[QUOTE=Vedicardi;27712324]I don't know my roommate just listened to them. I don't know what the names of the bands were.
Here's something that kinda sounds like it, though not quite as shitty
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lI11CiET3I[/media][/QUOTE]
That was dull as hell, and not to sound like I'm avoiding the issue but I do feel that has no place to be labelled as prog. I can see the kind of bands you're referring to now and I do agree that that kind of dull pseudo-progressive bands aren't worth the time or effort, but in terms of albums being produced today I think it's still incredibly shortsighted to discount a relatively large genre because of some bad bands which don't really make up the defining edge of the genre
I wish I had more time to watch the inevitable shit storm that's about to occur
I want another 53 posts for me when I wake up in six hours
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27712167]You obviously didn't comprehend what I said
I have no problem with Tool and my opinion of them is by no means linked to their fanbase.
I hate one, the other I think is slightly overrated but they have some good songs. I'm not rejecting them because their fans are washed up hippies, I'm rejecting them because I never truly enjoyed their music.
[editline]29th January 2011[/editline]
That straightforward enough for you?[/QUOTE]
I apologise, but judging from your first post where you described the band as being built purely on a fanbase, it came across you had nothing but contempt for them and the fanbase based on the fans alone. I can see where you're coming from, my bad for misunderstanding
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;27712488]That was dull as hell, and not to sound like I'm avoiding the issue but I do feel that has no place to be labelled as prog. I can see the kind of bands you're referring to now and I do agree that that kind of dull pseudo-progressive bands aren't worth the time or effort, but in terms of albums being produced today I think it's still incredibly shortsighted to discount a relatively large genre because of some bad bands which don't really make up the defining edge of the genre[/QUOTE]
well it is labeled prog for some reason and it sucks. I'm not saying all modern progressive music,
just this shit, which happens to be the majority as far as I can tell.
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;27712533]I apologise, but judging from your first post where you described the band as being built purely on a fanbase, it came across you had nothing but contempt for them and the fanbase based on the fans alone. I can see where you're coming from, my bad for misunderstanding[/QUOTE]
It's cool brah, I just thought it was important to note that I don't irrationally hate Tool.
I mean I learnt Laterlaus on guitar, they're a good band it just really pisses me off when I hear people going on about them.
I just realised how ironic that was as I said a couple posts ago that they're "okay". Oh well, snipping one's post means snipping one's pride
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;27712536]well it is labeled prog for some reason and it sucks. I'm not saying all modern progressive music,
just this shit, which happens to be the majority as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]
I don't really think it makes up the majority, but to be honest that kind of Dream Theater/power metal-fanwanking-style-prog has never been much of an area I've paid any attention to, so you may be right, although I have to doubt it :v:
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[QUOTE=mikeyt493;27709978]Nevermore are going to Bloodstock this year :smug:[/QUOTE]
Yeah?
Symphony X/Nevermore/Soilwork + Powerglove. And I'm going VIP. :smugdog:
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27705577]Well good to see we're on the same page for once. I do know what you mean, there is something that is critical to metal that is lacking, that's why I never got into prog rock because aside from the nice musicianship there honestly wasn't that much to grab onto.
Anyway half of the prog I've heard sounds like ballads dedicated to loneliness, or losing a girl or something. Always something deeply emotional, and that is sure as hell not what I want to hear. Wussy isn't a perfect way to describe it, but I'm not talking to everyone in this thread at large atm, I'm talking to you.[/QUOTE]
But that's part of why it's progressive isn't it? It is different to other metal, in form and in mood
eyehategod all the way
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[QUOTE=mynames2long;27713872]But that's part of why it's progressive isn't it? It is different to other metal, in form and in mood[/QUOTE]
80s hair bands like Crimson Glory did it ages ago.
[QUOTE=MotherPuncher;27714827]eyehategod all the way
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More like We Made God :smug:
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[QUOTE=Vedicardi;27714861]80s hair bands like Crimson Glory did it ages ago.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile does it?
Respect for the guy who recognizes the source of my avatar.
[QUOTE=mynames2long;27713872]But that's part of why it's progressive isn't it? It is different to other metal, in form and in mood[/QUOTE]
Yeah well I don't like what I've heard, to me it's really bland
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I agree with Andromeda being mislabelled as progressive. To me Andromeda are more just power metal. Maybe a bit more sophisticated than a large chunk of power metal, but still power metal nonetheless.
Out of curiosity, how exactly do you define "progressive", Vedicardi? Would you, in example, consider A Losing Season prog metal? Regardless of your opinion of extreme metal, or the harsh/clean tradeoff. As far as composition goes.
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"Throw that bob marley wanna-be motherfucker out of here!"
[QUOTE=mynames2long;27716348]Doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile does it?[/QUOTE]
well your point was it's something never before done in metal
but it's not
[editline]29th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;27721560]I agree with Andromeda being mislabelled as progressive. To me Andromeda are more just power metal. Maybe a bit more sophisticated than a large chunk of power metal, but still power metal nonetheless.
Out of curiosity, how exactly do you define "progressive", Vedicardi? Would you, in example, consider A Losing Season prog metal? Regardless of your opinion of extreme metal, or the harsh/clean tradeoff. As far as composition goes.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1__eWNyyo5A&feature=related[/media][/QUOTE]
Progressive to me is the use of unusual elements taken from other genres in never before seen fusions (see: jazz chords in voivod songs), taking a music form and adding a spacey "prog" element (see: hawkwind, rush), extremely complex song structures and musicianship (see: toxik, coroner, or atheist)
Cynic is still prog metal to me, for example, no doubt, but they really dulled down the musicianship on Focus, though the song structures remained complex and there was still a jazz fusion element
[editline]29th January 2011[/editline]
Andromeda isn't even prog within power metal, they're slower and even bland in comparison to most power metal bands
power metal is progressive by nature
I agree with vedicardi on his description of prog really
If you're not doing something new you're not prog.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;27724305]power metal is progressive by nature[/QUOTE]
I can pretty much +1 on your opinion of prog, that to me is a good example of it, since something like that isn't technicaly doing anything "new" per se, it's looking outwith itself to find elements it can borrow, which to me is just as important anyway. But, I'm talking shit.
What do you mean by the part I've left quoted? I can see how power metal would be viewed as progressive in terms of content by someone who doesn't listen to it, but the elements which make it so; technical skill, orchestral elements, high tempos and rather operatic vocals are trademarks of the genre so it's hardly fair to deem them progressive and not countless Dream Theater hacks. That being said prog/power metal is pretty common.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;27727539]I agree with vedicardi on his description of prog really
If you're not doing something new you're not prog.[/QUOTE]
Wow I never thought of it like that, well done have a winner
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