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[QUOTE=Mingebox;44024168]No, I'm pretty sure they know full well Thief predates Dishonored, and they're saying it's a ripoff because the game looks have more in common a game that's inspired by Thief than Thief itself. It's like if someone made a System Shock reboot set underwater.[/QUOTE] the only real similarity i see is the bubonic plague. as for everything else, it looks more or less standard for thief; stealth gaming in a gothic steampunk world. theres even less magic in thief 4 than there is in dishonored or thief, insofar as the developers explicitly stated. [editline]23rd February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;44024330]Um the new Thief was leaked for Xbone and PS4 since like 3 days ago. Their have been streams of it actually from start to finish. I watched one of them, and its fucking horrible, way worse than imagined, im not even exaggerating, I wouldnt play it if I got it for free on steam, its that fucking bad and a waste of time. And I fucking love any stealth in any game. Heres its incredible AI [IMG]http://dumpt.com/img/files/orbr6hqmod7z2odzqdce.gif[/IMG] Also dont forget to press LT to Barge Out! [editline]23rd February 2014[/editline] No its actually just shit regardless whether or not you think its just "fanboys" Stop using that retarded failed argument, people use that against every fucking game that has more than 1 in a series and its always just as retarded.[/QUOTE] i dont understand what this still picture of a wall is trying to tell me also i didnt rlly know that "their have been streams of it" but im gonna hold off on watching them until i play it myself im still ridiculously skeptical that this game could be any worse than thief 3 or dishonored. not many games have managed to be more disappointing than those two.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;44024936]the only real similarity i see is the bubonic plague. as for everything else, it looks more or less standard for thief; stealth gaming in a gothic steampunk world. theres even less magic in thief 4 than there is in dishonored or thief, insofar as the developers explicitly stated. [editline]23rd February 2014[/editline] i dont understand what this still picture of a wall is trying to tell me also i didnt rlly know that "their have been streams of it" but im gonna hold off on watching them until i play it myself im still ridiculously skeptical that this game could be any worse than thief 3 or dishonored. not many games have managed to be more disappointing than those two.[/QUOTE] Its a gif you silly willy, try opening it in another window or something. Also if you found Thief 3 or Dishonored that disappointing then this new Thief might kill you with disappointment. I played Thief 1-3, and let me tell you this, this new Thief makes Thief 3 look like a fucking masterpiece.
human revolution was my favorite game to come out in 2011 and it's the biggest reason why ive given eidos montreal the benefit of the doubt so far. theyve earned my trust with that game.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;44024992]hooded, weren't you one of those people who were really pissed off at human revolution before it came out and went suspiciously quiet when it did?[/QUOTE] No, I was hyped for it the entire time and love it, never even talked about it once on FP im pretty sure. Hell I watched the trailer probably 30 times before release and even bought a new computer for it. Why?
[QUOTE=kisaraji;44023180]DMC wasn't total crap though?[/QUOTE] Yeah, it wasn't. I used to think "If it looks bad, then it's probably bad." Tbh, it looked like shit when I first laid eyes on the trailers. But looking back, it was mainly just because I hopped on the bandwagon full of bitchy Devil May Cry fanboys. Either way the release changed my opinions on first impressions.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;44024967]Its a gif you silly willy, try opening it in another window or something. Also if you found Thief 3 or Dishonored that disappointing then this new Thief might kill you with disappointment. I played Thief 1-3, and let me tell you this, this new Thief makes Thief 3 look like a fucking masterpiece.[/QUOTE] thats really weird it wouldnt load in chrome
Thief, another project which will have a lot of skpeticism surrounding it and another project no longer in the hands of Levine. Granted, he didn't work on the other two and they were still pretty solid. I'm not sure what to think about this, but I don't think it could be that bad. It's definitely adapted to a modern audience. [editline]23rd February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;44025150]thats really weird it wouldnt load in chrome[/QUOTE] Doesn't load in firefox either. If you look at the source info it's a JPG. Wow, the whole thing was streamed on XBone apparently. [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/om7LJLQ.jpg[/thumb] Guess they didn't cover up their bases and got thiefed themselves.
I remember the docks level. That was the first "real" level of Thief 2, I think.
[QUOTE=Zorus;44025231]Thief, another project which will have a lot of skpeticism surrounding it and another project no longer in the hands of Levine. Granted, he didn't work on the other two and they were still pretty solid. I'm not sure what to think about this, but I don't think it could be that bad. It's definitely adapted to a modern audience. [editline]23rd February 2014[/editline] Doesn't load in firefox either. If you look at the source info it's a JPG. Wow, the whole thing was streamed on XBone apparently. [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/om7LJLQ.jpg[/thumb] Guess they didn't cover up their bases and got thiefed themselves.[/QUOTE] Levine was never the driving force behind Thief, not to say his contributions werent important. It was mainly Pascal and The Brosious Couple. Levine just did story concepts and helped with the original design, like what Thief would play like.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;44025132]Yeah, it wasn't. I used to think "If it looks bad, then it's probably bad." Tbh, it looked like shit when I first laid eyes on the trailers. But looking back, it was mainly just because I hopped on the bandwagon full of bitchy Devil May Cry fanboys. Either way the release changed my opinions on first impressions.[/QUOTE] except DMC got rid of the great combo system by forcing you to use certain weapons to take out certain enemies, instead of just whipping out random weapons to make massive combos that feel satisfying to pull off (it happens more and more as the game goes on) (also landing an SSS combo was literally hitting the same button three times in a row, meanwhile in the last ones it was up to like say a full combo that would last 3~ minutes with switching weapons constantly). not to mention the raw [I]edge~[/I] of shooting fetuses and bragging about it in the dumbest way possible with the most retarded ending ever.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;44025132]Yeah, it wasn't. I used to think "If it looks bad, then it's probably bad." Tbh, it looked like shit when I first laid eyes on the trailers. But looking back, it was mainly just because I hopped on the bandwagon full of bitchy Devil May Cry fanboys. Either way the release changed my opinions on first impressions.[/QUOTE] DmC was pretty fucking shit. Garbage writing, horrible characters, easy as fuck, extremely dumb downed combo system to its most bare, pretty sure it was 30fps, not 100% sure, also the "You need this to kill me" weapon system was ass.
Oh. Well... um... I guess DmC was shit guys. This is gonna suck too, then. I guess.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;44025809]DmC was pretty fucking shit. Garbage writing, horrible characters, easy as fuck, extremely dumb downed combo system to its most bare, pretty sure it was 30fps, not 100% sure, also the "You need this to kill me" weapon system was ass.[/QUOTE] More like ~edgy "fuck you"~ shit.
If any of you watched the stream, you wouldn't try to defend the new Thief game. Half the levels don't even involve stealing and are just big stealth places for you to run around in, you can hide from the guards immediately by entering a closet even if they see you get in it, and the final boss is [sp]a QTE, which leads to a giant cliffhanger which is practically sequel bait.[/sp] The AI is dumb as hell and everything is watered down. Oh and Edios is banning people for saying bad things about it on Reddit, and deleting youtube videos giving it shit.
I love people who use "The AI is dumb" as a defense Thief never had great AI, the instant you added any manner of verticality to the mix, they shit themselves. And I watched the stream for a good 3~ hours, it looks like a good game.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;44025150]thats really weird it wouldnt load in chrome[/QUOTE] Not working in FF either.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;44029321]I love people who use "The AI is dumb" as a defense Thief never had great AI, the instant you added any manner of verticality to the mix, they shit themselves. And I watched the stream for a good 3~ hours, it looks like a good game.[/QUOTE] Iirc in Deadly Shadows if you climbed up somewhere where a guard couldn't get to you he'd go find a guard with a bow(if the level had one). Plus, I always got a laugh out of watching the guards yell and shake their fist at you like grumpy old men.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;44029321]I love people who use "The AI is dumb" as a defense Thief never had great AI, the instant you added any manner of verticality to the mix, they shit themselves. And I watched the stream for a good 3~ hours, it looks like a good game.[/QUOTE] Thief 1-3 had great AI and this new Thief fucking sucks. Plus that argument against just going up on something sort of loses any argument with any Thief game past Thief 1 lol. Pulling that shit in Thief 2 when robots were around, which was generally all the time after the first few missions, wouldnt just sit their looking at you like guards, instead they would run around the entire level alterting everyone and wouldnt stop until you took down the robot. Thief 3 guards went to get bows. Thief 1 actually had some enemies where getting on top of something didnt do shit because they would just kick your ass with ranged shit, like mages and poison dinosaurs Also its a shit game still, reviews are up, because if you cant take peoples words for it, then maybe your the type of person who lets people who get paid words for it. 71 on metacritic, some reviews as low as fucking 50 [URL]http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/thief/critic-reviews[/URL]
So I checked few reviews, comments, videos and I unfortunately have to join the group that is pessimistic about this new Thief. Small maps that don't allow many approaches. Due to the size there are a lot of loading screens. Not sure how fast it is on PC but on new consoles that seems unfortunate. Missions are mostly get from point A to B.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;44020773]Can we just wait for it to come out[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/GZvcb7.png[/img] [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/6pN0Nx.png[/img]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJS1yCSKlhs[/media] Seems like a decent game to me. The levels being more linear is a bummer, but it's not a bad game by any means, just not as good as the first two.
Let's see how many more are going to tear a gaping asshole over this game, it looks really decent, good PC port from the looks of it and I'd say definitely a good title for people who never played Thief, a good starting point.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;44030441] Also its a shit game still, reviews are up, because if you cant take peoples words for it, then maybe your the type of person who lets people who get paid words for it. 71 on metacritic, some reviews as low as fucking 50 [URL]http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/thief/critic-reviews[/URL][/QUOTE] If by that you mean "People who play and review videogames for a living vs some guy on the internet who watched a livestream once," then yes, I would take the former's word more seriously than the latter.
[QUOTE=Grindigo;44032111]Let's see how many more are going to tear a gaping asshole over this game, it looks really decent, good PC port from the looks of it and I'd say definitely a good title for people who never played Thief, [B]a good starting point.[/B][/QUOTE] No.
[QUOTE=Grindigo;44032111]Let's see how many more are going to tear a gaping asshole over this game, it looks really decent, good PC port from the looks of it and I'd say definitely a good title for people who never played Thief, a good starting point.[/QUOTE] Thief 1 would be a good starting point. You know, because its the first and still holds up. Especially considering you can get it for free right now on amazon.
71 is pretty hilarious for such a high profile AAA game.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;44032669]Thief 1 would be a good starting point. You know, because its the first and still holds up. Especially considering you can get it for free right now on amazon.[/QUOTE] Except not everyone is a hardcore gamer who remembers games from over 10 years ago if not more, try to introduce someone to the game that old right now when everyone is spoiled due to graphics being pushed this far and younger generations of people who started gaming way later, the old game will look and feel drastically on the bad side, the gameplay won't matter to at least half of these people because it will feel clunky and confusing to them and mind you the new Thief is clearly trying to please both old players and the new players in certain ways, the new Thief game is a good point to start, I'll use an example for what I mean by that, many people never played the original DeusEx but played the new Human Revolution then figured out there was two more games, the first one and Invisible War which was pointed out by everyone as an abomination, then some of them went back to play them and discovered something new but old, this is the logic I used in what I wrote why it's a good starting point.
It's confirmed, you need to be a hardcore gamer to play and/or remember old games.
[QUOTE=Grindigo;44032863]Except not everyone is a hardcore gamer who remembers games from over 10 years ago if not more, try to introduce someone to the game that old right now when everyone is spoiled due to graphics being pushed this far and younger generations of people who started gaming way later, the old game will look and feel drastically on the bad side, the gameplay won't matter to at least half of these people because it will feel clunky and confusing to them and mind you the new Thief is clearly trying to please both old players and the new players in certain ways, the new Thief game is a good point to start, I'll use an example for what I mean by that, many people never played the original DeusEx but played the new Human Revolution then figured out there was two more games, the first one and Invisible War which was pointed out by everyone as an abomination, then some of them went back to play them and discovered something new but old, this is the logic I used in what I wrote why it's a good starting point.[/QUOTE] You dont need to be a hardcore gamer to find out about it or enjoy it. I know people cant look past graphics but that is a really poor choice on the players part. Hell some levels in Thief still look great because of the aesthetics. Such as the Sword, its beautiful, and Trail of Blood in Thief 2 is incredibly good looking even to this day for the same reasons. I mainly say its not a good starting point because Thi4f is very different from Thief 1-3 in a lot of ways pretty much to the point they play pretty differently. I mean Thief 1-3 just slapped you on the ass and handed you a shit map and some objectives and told you to get to work. The new one has a way better map and far more linear, and for the sake of playing the way the developers intended, you have shitloads of map markers. Human Revolution on the other hand was really faithful in a lot of ways that made the transition from HR to Deus Ex incredibly easy. Both were very similar, the original more methodical and had more old fashioned RPG mechanics such as being complete shit with guns you arent specced into and more complex dialog shit(such as you didnt have a minigame type thing HR did with the speech augment) While Human Revolution was modernization done right, it got rid of some of the clunk, had great level design, I still found new shit on my third playthrough and I explored a shitload the other 2. It stayed true to the original but with a light modern touch. This new Thief isnt like that, its way too drastic, sure its stealth and you steal but design wise and mechanically its very different. So to avoid people getting sassy with graphics and shit, then I would say Thief 3 would be the best starting point to ease your way into 1 and 2 if you find older shit harder to play, especially since Thief 3 is very faithful to the original but is more accessible. So if your someone who can deal with graphics and old shit, Thief 1 is the best starting point. If you cant, Thief 3 would be your best bet honestly.
No, but your average gamer isn't gonna be comfortable sitting down and playing a fucking decade old game to try and get a greater appreciation for the solidity of the series or some shit they're gonna play the one that they feel they can best get into, so probably the new one or Deadly Shadows. Then, if they liked the game enough and/or are just interested in the older titles, they'll go back and play them. I played Deadly Shadows first and I went back to play the other two after, and I have just as much of a grasp on the series as any other person here.
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