• What It's Really Like to Fight for the Islamic State
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There's something really jarring about them wearing uniforms similar to the ones the Americans donned over a decade ago when they first arrived in the middle east. [QUOTE=chumchum;50211938]I have zero military experience but from what I could tell they seemed completely incompetent, I couldn't imagine such conduct or disorganisation in a professional army. What does someone more knowledgeable think? When shit actually does go down do things become so frantic in combat?[/QUOTE] I never volunteered to deploy anywhere during my time (Reservist) but to boil things down you're right, combat is obviously frantic from looking at it for what it is, but the military teaches the key to accomplishing your objective in a skirmish and essentially staying alive is to work together as a unit and remain organized. chaos/disorganization leads to fuck ups, fuck ups leads to your buddies and if you're in a NCO or Officer role your subordinates getting killed.
... is that an MG-42? I thought it must be an MG-3 but the cyclic rate seems high.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50211815]what the fuck does rolling away from the enemy do to protect you?[/QUOTE] I'd assume its to lower your profile, But it only really works when there is something that can provide cover, out in the open its next to useless unless you blend in with the ground.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50211651]I would say despite their incompetence, they're at least brave. But they don't value human life, not even their own, so the fuck would they know about bravery[/QUOTE] They arent brave. They ran into a fucking open area SURROUNDED by fortified trenches(which their enemy was in) in a fucking big vehicle, while their enemies had MG and rockets, and a major advantage over them. If anything they are clinically retarded. I dont know much of the military, but id have to assume being in the bumfuck middle of nowhere in flat ground surrounded by enemies+trenches+mg/rockets is probably a big worst case scenario, especially in daylight. Facepunch ARMA players could probably put together a more strategic group of people in like 2 weeks than these guys.
Is he using a MG42? That should be in a museum
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50212034]... is that an MG-42? I thought it must be an MG-3 but the cyclic rate seems high.[/QUOTE] I'm sure it's an MG3 captured from peshmerga who has plenty of them. [editline]27th April 2016[/editline] The fire rate is not that high.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;50212100]I'm sure it's an MG3 captured from peshmerga who has plenty of them. [editline]27th April 2016[/editline] The fire rate is not that high.[/QUOTE] Seemed faster the first time I watched it. I think you're right. I didn't know peshmerga had MG-3s, though.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50212133]Seemed faster the first time I watched it. I think you're right. I didn't know peshmerga had MG-3s, though.[/QUOTE] Peshmerga has been supplied arms by Germany, including G3s and MG3s.
I'll take the time to remind us that these people genuinely believe they are fighting a good cause. Something that I think is important to remember.
[QUOTE=exhale77;50212283]I'll take the time to remind us that these people genuinely believe they are fighting a good cause. Something that I think is important to remember.[/QUOTE] Also they believe that killing and dying is good just because.
[QUOTE=gtanoofa;50212106]There should be a barrage of mortars on the place they are assaulting since you don't want to go up against a well fortified and unsupressed position. They are using what appears to be very light armored vehicles but don't seem to have any kind of formation (like a straignt line of vehicles) that a mechanized infantry platoon would. I don't see any kind of squad based tactics like "fire and maneuver" just fire at the enemy and pray that your spraying gets them. They have no sorts of communication with the other fireteams(well not really fireteams since they just yell dumb shit at eachother and obviously don't have a rank system consisting of fireteams who can communicate with eachother to achieve their goal). On top of that, their assault force seems pretty small in numbers. You need to outnumber the defending enemy to have a chance at destroying him. So basically, they have no structure nor training.[/QUOTE] Honestly irregardless of their units actions after dismount these guys were all dead before they even set off. In regards to everyone referring to how strange it is they all prone and attempt rolling away. You can't expect to take a entrenched position with 3 (?) small teams of guys in shoddy made up-armored trucks with rifles, lsw's and a couple of at rockets, not to mention on-top of that like you said they seemed to be attempting a frontal assault and in general when going against a entrenched position you need air or mortar/artillery support.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;50212290]Also they believe that killing and dying is good just because.[/QUOTE] My point is that regardless of the terrible outcomes, they genuinely believe it's for the "greater good". I'm completely for the end of their cause, however.
Getting real tired of your bullshit, Abu Hajaar
[QUOTE=gtanoofa;50212365]Ye, cause they didn't even have a concrete plan in the first place and got into this situation due to their innability to create an actual plan. They have no cover in a wide open field without any form of support from the rear. Honestly, it's pretty sad but i can't feel any empathy towards these fucks, knowing their agenda.[/QUOTE] Yeah it is quite humorous seeing tactics in play that lead to massive causalities sustained 100 years ago still in use today though. [editline]27th April 2016[/editline] Actually this is sub a century ago level tactics. At-least back then they shelled the fuck out of a position/tried using the shelling to cover the advancing troops before/whilst charging the front of it.
That's generous. I think even in 1066 they had better tactics lets face it. I actually am apalled. I almost feel sympathy for their lack of...any form of strategy. "Let's take this light armoured moving box, drive into a fort, and stay here and see if we can get one behind all that fortification. Good, now that we can't use our vehicle, let us roll away" In 1066 they'd just walk up them and probably stab them in the chest with all the good that rolling would do. That fort probably had a sniper that was just facepalming the entire time.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;50212382]Getting real tired of your bullshit, Abu Hajaar[/QUOTE] Are we witnessing the birth of a new meme?
I'd imagine that most of DAESH's experienced/skilled soldiers have probably been killed off in massive numbers droves since the tide turned on them, which probably accounts for some of the incompetence seen here, but jesus how they managed to gain such a foothold if this is their idea of tactics is beyond me. No wonder the Peshmerga is smashing them.
Straight up even your most basically trained Marine right out of MCT could tell you how shit these guys are. ISIS' main area of winning battles is hitting hard points with VBIEDS, then flooding those areas with fighters who are bursting on shit like amphetamines to give them that extra kick. Most the time they try to attack a decently dug-in defending force they end up loosing unless they bring like 10 of their armored up VBIEDs. Or they attack at night, ISIS loves attacking at night.
[QUOTE=Kickin Balls;50212409]That's generous. I think even in 1066 they had better tactics lets face it. I actually am apalled. I almost feel sympathy for their lack of...any form of strategy. "Let's take this light armoured moving box, drive into a fort, and stay here and see if we can get one behind all that fortification. Good, now that we can't use our vehicle, let us roll away" In 1066 they'd just walk up them and probably stab them in the chest with all the good that rolling would do. That fort probably had a sniper that was just facepalming the entire time.[/QUOTE] Thing is, those "armored" vehicles are like fucking DIY welding on a fucking like used Toyota lol. Shit wont have any quality wheels or any of the underneath well protected, let alone any of it honestly. 1 rocket took it completely out it seemed, and you could see their pals in the other truck get wrecked from 1 rocket earlier on and id have to assume the ones who hit them werent using the better expensive rockets if they had them. Seriously, their armored shit looks like some random guys like Halloween project or some shit. "And this year for 2016 for me and my Family I made the spookymobile!" I feel like id see that in a youtube video and it would probably be better made. Honestly I know people are dying and shit, and regardless of them being ISIS or not, this video is just too fucking hilarious, ive never been anywhere near a combat situation but its like they even fucked up just being ORGANIZED WITH BASIC SHIT. They were always trying to scramble to find fucking ammo/rockets yet only had to search a tiny area in the back of a fucking truck. How hard is it to fucking organize all your combat shit BEFORE YOU START FUCKING HEADING INTO COMBAT? Like it seemed like it would take over 10 seconds or longer before someone found their shit and that seems really long in a situation like that. And honestly, how the fuck do you come across the thought "Lets take 4 shitty used Toyotas, and drive it straight into the middle of flatlands surrounded by enemies in trenches with MG/Snipers/Rockets who are also in a prepared defensive position" I take back my FP Arma players being able to outdo them. I 100% believe that in 1 month, anyone whos posted in this thread could at least become better trained.
Jesus what a clusterfuck
[video=youtube;roROL5KdXlw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roROL5KdXlw[/video] Abu Hajaar confirmed for meme.
It is weird to feel a form of sympathy for these guys. How one of them was yelling the driver's name after he heard that he died. For every 10 or 100 deluded fanatics there are, I am curious how many were as screwed as some German that joined the Nazi army or how some joined because they felt it was their duty to defend their country. It makes me think of a documentary I watched about the Nazi regime, it was entirely fixed on how the majority of the top guys were basically all failed artists and showed much misery Hitler had to go through to envision his dream. I had a similar feeling then, that you can't feel a good emotion for bad people, but somehow you feel a sort of sympathy for the emotions that you have had as well. Of course, it is not weird that they show human emotions, but it kind of breaks the illusion that bad people only act bad and good people only act good. For those curious about the documentary: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBqGThx2Mas[/url]
Well yeah, all the hardcore militiamen that fought against the coalition in Iraq or Afghanistan or the Russians in Chechnya are all dead. Just a bunch of idealistic kids and old men now really.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;50212611]Well yeah, all the hardcore militiamen that fought against the coalition in Iraq or Afghanistan or the Russians in Chechnya are all dead. Just a bunch of idealistic kids and old men now really.[/QUOTE] Is that a good or a bad thing? Were the hardcore militia at least somewhat professional and knew when to back down? Do you have the problem now that the ''troops'' that are left are willing to do anything to keep the war going or will they be more likely to surrender because they don't have the conviction?
Depends who you're asking, it's bad for ISIS because they're going to take more causalities due to poor leadership and lack of experience, I wouldn't agree so much so on your point that the new breed of ISIS fighters are less likely to surrender. Their morale seems pretty low (at-least from what is observed from how they work with eachother). I'd say that the ISIS fighters that were veterans would be less likely to surrender and more likely to plan out a effective means of retreat, where as this new breed of fighters are probably more likely to surrender and retreat but will probably get themselves killed doing it. It's good for whoever is fighting them though.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50211613]Holy shit was that a fucking SHELL!? [t]https://media.giphy.com/media/l3V0hhAdTLfj387gQ/giphy.gif[/t][/QUOTE] If I had to hazard a guess it was a rocket or a recoiless rifle shell. If it was from a larger gun it would probably have been traveling a bit faster. The small boom from the impact leads me to believe it was a small HEAT warhead from a shoulder launched weapon. The tracer portion seems to have survived somehow, but if it was AP from anything bigger it wouldnt have bounced off of a lightly armored vehicle like that.
I feel bad for the driver, and how they showed sympathy for him. I guess it shows that even these brainwashed 'freedom fighters' can still have heart at their comrades, and genuinely believe they're fighting for a better tomorrow. a shame.
Who were they fighting?
[QUOTE=Citrus705;50212845]Who were they fighting?[/QUOTE] It says the Peshmerga in the vid.
After they dismounted they had nowhere to go. It was just desert, thats gota be discouraging. Atleast in other countries you could just go run and hide in the woods or the jungle.
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