• What It's Really Like to Fight for the Islamic State
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[QUOTE=mecaguy03;50212762]If I had to hazard a guess it was a rocket or a recoiless rifle shell. If it was from a larger gun it would probably have been traveling a bit faster. The small boom from the impact leads me to believe it was a small HEAT warhead from a shoulder launched weapon. The tracer portion seems to have survived somehow, but if it was AP from anything bigger it wouldnt have bounced off of a lightly armored vehicle like that.[/QUOTE] Seems like the projectile hit the ground in front of the vehicle but the perspective makes it hard to tell.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50213010]Seems like the projectile hit the ground in front of the vehicle but the perspective makes it hard to tell.[/QUOTE] I think you're right
[QUOTE=Squad1993;50212579][video=youtube;roROL5KdXlw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roROL5KdXlw[/video] Abu Hajaar confirmed for meme.[/QUOTE] Even when you're a terrorist, you can still get shit from other people for your incompetence :v:
Look at the disorganised mess in that vehicle holy shit
[QUOTE=mastermaul;50212100]I'm sure it's an MG3 captured from peshmerga who has plenty of them. [editline]27th April 2016[/editline] The fire rate is not that high.[/QUOTE] Could also be a Turkish MG3. They're made by MKEK under license. Considering most foreign fighters get into Syria by crossing the Turkish border, it wouldn't be all that surprising
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;50212461]I'd imagine that most of DAESH's experienced/skilled soldiers have probably been killed off in massive numbers droves since the tide turned on them, which probably accounts for some of the incompetence seen here, but jesus how they managed to gain such a foothold if this is their idea of tactics is beyond me. No wonder the Peshmerga is smashing them.[/QUOTE] Syria and Libya had already entered a state of civil war and the Iraqi military did not consider their country to be worth defending until ISIS started getting closer to Baghdad. It's likely that they've always been just competent enough to take advantage of a weakened opponent without much trouble, but not so much that they can handle serious retaliation.
What was even their objective? What were they hoping a few unorganized improvised vehicles could accomplish attacking a fortified enemy with no cover or preparatory bombardment in broad daylight?
I'm glad they charged in blindly and their assault failed. May they use the same tactics until the last one falls.
Jeez, you can hear all the bullets hitting the vehicle then flying past them as they're retreating Don't fuck with the peshmerga I guess
what i find pretty sad about this video is that these guys probably were just bottom bitches, indoctrinated to believe what they're doing is right, only to die like that but still, they're isis, so my sympathy is still not that great all things considered, especially less if these guys have executed people in their time. i'm just slightly less disgusted at them if that wasn't the case.
Was at a presentation that also showed some propaganda that ISIS uses to attract young members, they showed pictures of fully armed forces with tanks and helicopters and it had videos of victorious campaigns. Seeing what is actually going on shows how far that all is from the truth
Is that an MG42? Also why didn't they just stay at the vehicle for a while or at least try to move the vehicle? That whole area they are fighting at is an open field for miles, what did they hope to accomplish by running back? And why were they crossing there in such a weak force with some makeshift vehicles in broad daylight with visibility for the enemy for miles in the first place? If i was them i would have waited at the vehicle until darkness and slip away. Or fucking dig myself into the desert, anything is better than trying to run back or rather, roll into death
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Who is the moron that planned this operation? He just sent these soldiers to die and all that equipment to waste, literally nothing was gained for ISIS. What kind of retards have they put in leadership positions? No artillery backing up the attack, no smoke screens, nothing. Just a bunch of shitty "armored" vehicles driving slowly in the middle of the desert with some soldiers inside, advancing upon high, entrenched positions. If this is how ISIS operates then I wonder how the shit they managed to spread so far.
It's a MG3 guys, or atleast a foreign copy. Going by this thread, if ISIS wants to recruit new brainwashed western soldiers, they just have to say you might get to wield a MG3 and they would have a whole boatload of FPers coming at them. :v:
[QUOTE=Fantastical;50214653]Who is the moron that planned this operation? He just sent these soldiers to die and all that equipment to waste, literally nothing was gained for ISIS. What kind of retards have they put in leadership positions? No artillery backing up the attack, no smoke screens, nothing. Just a bunch of shitty "armored" vehicles driving slowly in the middle of the desert with some soldiers inside, advancing upon high, entrenched positions. If this is how ISIS operates then I wonder how the shit they managed to spread so far.[/QUOTE] Some Iraqis that came to our TS server before have said based on what they've seen in person the allied forces could have got rid of them ages ago because the axis is so weak and poorly equipped; but they haven't for some reason...
Shit Abu Hajaar get your fucking head in the game.
[QUOTE=Fantastical;50214653]Who is the moron that planned this operation? He just sent these soldiers to die and all that equipment to waste, literally nothing was gained for ISIS. What kind of retards have they put in leadership positions? No artillery backing up the attack, no smoke screens, nothing. Just a bunch of shitty "armored" vehicles driving slowly in the middle of the desert with some soldiers inside, advancing upon high, entrenched positions. If this is how ISIS operates then I wonder how the shit they managed to spread so far.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]ISIS is currently a military organization that is no longer conducting terrorist activities exclusively but is conducting conventional military operations in company and battalion formations, which was not the case in traditional al-Qaida way of fighting. ISIS has been attacking Iraqi military positions with company or battalion-size formations to clear towns and urban settlements, and then hold and then build those settlements. This tactic of clear-hold-build is surprisingly the counterinsurgency tactic coalition forces used both in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean at the moment interestingly and paradoxically ISIS fights with exactly the same tactics we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq to achieve the objective of territorial control. Put differently, ISIS has been fighting as the Americans fought against Sunni insurgency in 2006 by mimicking their tactics. Please remember its learning and adapting capability. The basic ISIS tactic is to make a surprise attack, inflict maximum casualties and spread fear before withdrawing without suffering heavy losses. And then wait the Iraqi forces and unfriendly locals to evacuate or flee from the designated territory. This aim for me explains the usage of excessive violence and the dissemination of gruesome photos and videos. In this sense their use of violence is not indiscriminate one but a strategic one serving to the purpose of creating a steril environment. Simply, their aim is to drive the unwanteds out of the captured lands and building an a “steril” human population in sectarian terms in the controlled territories. This strategy provides ISIS a submissive human population and thus makes the holding phase easier to realize. This strategic use of fear and intimidation to not solely for propaganda purposes but also for controlling the territory captured is another dynamic we have not noticed since 9/11. [URL]http://www.academia.edu/7632564/ISIS_MILITARY_STRATEGY[/URL] [/QUOTE] As poor as their planning may seem, they really understand how to use aggression and "shock and awe" tactics to their advantage. I've also heard a lot of bad things about the Iraqi Army/Police Forces in terms of their willingness to stand and fight when they have to defend against large scale attacks
[QUOTE=darth-veger;50214522]Was at a presentation that also showed some propaganda that ISIS uses to attract young members, they showed pictures of fully armed forces with tanks and helicopters and it had videos of victorious campaigns. Seeing what is actually going on shows how far that all is from the truth[/QUOTE] ISIS propaganda of hospital [IMG]http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/ISIS-hosp-364823.jpg[/IMG] reality: [IMG]http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/isis-ruin-364825.jpg[/IMG]
LOL how they're rolling away like in arma, and how that one guy runs back in like rambo
[QUOTE=Nanamil;50211940]The guy rolling away to safety at the end gave me a chuckle. Why is this video reminding me so much of FP ArmA.[/QUOTE] [vid]https://media.8ch.net/k/src/1461799714157.mp4[/vid]
I am conflicted about this video. On one hand, you view them as children who have no fucking clue what they're doing. On the other hand, you view them as terrorists who would gladly take part in mass genocide.
Those fucking rifle grenades with the fuses on them. [editline]27th April 2016[/editline] I'm fairly certain that most of those that they shoot just extinguish themselves midflight because of how the fuse is set. [editline]27th April 2016[/editline] Shit I could design a more effective fuse then that, and im an idiot
It's always guys like abu hajaar who fucks things up
i love when his mg3 slips off the armor and he accidentally puts a round or two in the side of the vehicle
Man, episodes of Blackadder got dark.
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[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;50211591]I don't really get the whole tactical-rolling to get away. I don't think that'd work, ever. Whoever's training these guys (if they get any) is not doing a good job - being sent out as fodder. Hopefully this'll discourage any other easily-swayed fools from thinking it'd be a good idea to join them for martyrdom.[/QUOTE] Weren't they trained indirectly by the US military? Similar to how the US trained the Taliban? Correct me if I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=Wickerman123;50216410]Weren't they trained indirectly by the US military? Similar to how the US trained the Taliban? Correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] ISIS is an offshoot of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. By now a lot of the hardened veteran-Ex Iraqi soldiers that fought the US occupation for a decade are dead and what's left are an influx of foreign fighters and novice recruits. I'm sure some of them are converted FSA fighters that we trained though.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50215623]I am conflicted about this video. On one hand, you view them as children who have no fucking clue what they're doing. On the other hand, you view them as terrorists who would gladly take part in mass genocide.[/QUOTE] of course, they're a threat, and deserve to be dealt with as a threat. but the video does humanize them
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