[QUOTE=Negrul1;35138508]I'd imagine that gay couples seem more likely to have gay children because they are far more likely to admit to being gay than if they have straight parents. The same number could be homosexual, just more would admit it and act on it.[/QUOTE]
But there's no evidence that relates exposure to homosexuality to being a homosexual.
Being physically attracted to men or women is not a choice
Behaving like the gay stereotype is a choice.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;35137516]I think it's possible to condition yourself into liking a fetish, but I believe sexuality is harder, if not impossible to condition. Think gay therapy camps, for example. They make you "ungay" but you are still gay.[/QUOTE]
I don't see why it would be any different, they cause people to get the same feelings, just over different things.
[QUOTE=Nerdeboy;35138434]You can choose to avoid homosexuality, but you can't decide if you're straight to suddenly become a homosexual. [b]Of course, if you are gay, you do have to choose to be gay[/b], but there are more factors than just your personal selection.[/QUOTE]
What?
genes, environment and nurture. Like pretty much everything human.
[QUOTE=Fkpuz Version 1;35136510]Maybe you could condition yourself to be gay. Of course any straight person would see no reason to do so, but I think it could be possible. I remember listening to a episode of the Joe Rogan podcast (I know, I know. This may not be the most credible source, but it is interesting) where he was talking about how he got a foot fetish because of this one girl he dated who would jerk him off with her feet. He had no previous inclinations to feet but because of this sexual experience he developed some weird foot fetish.
In theory this could probably happen to a straight person with a gay person, however, in practice it would never happen because there would be no reason for any straight person to even try this and it just isn't practical at all. Or maybe I'm completely wrong because I don't really understand fetishes at all, the closest thing to a fetish I have is my adoration for 'dat ass'.[/QUOTE]
If you ain't high by two in the afternoon, go fuck yourself! JOEY 'COCO' DIAZ REPRESENT!
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[QUOTE=Bletotum;35139091]What?[/QUOTE]
There is always abstinence. :v:
[QUOTE=thisispain;35137968]the idea behind mass debate isn't to pull things out of your rear end.
IE there's no evidence to suggest that anything you said is true.[/QUOTE]
I never said my nurture argument was a for sure thing. It CAN happen. It probably doesn't happen all that often, but it does.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35138822]I don't see why it would be any different, they cause people to get the same feelings, just over different things.[/QUOTE]
I didn't come out of the womb ready to tie up and ballgag someone.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35140843]I never said my nurture argument was a for sure thing. It CAN happen. It probably doesn't happen all that often, but it does.[/QUOTE]
But the problem is that it doesn't happen [i]ever[/i]. There's no relation between having gay parents and being a homosexual.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35140843]I never said my nurture argument was a for sure thing. It CAN happen. It probably doesn't happen all that often, but it does.[/QUOTE]
yeah you're basically just saying something without any proof or even anecdotal evidence.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;35140899]I didn't come out of the womb ready to tie up and ballgag someone.[/QUOTE]
You didn't come out of the womb to fuck people either (unless you were some weird sexual baby which I doubt it).
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35141129]You didn't come out of the womb to fuck people either (unless you were some weird sexual baby which I doubt it).[/QUOTE]
sexuality is very obviously different from fetishes
you come out of the womb with the instructions to develop your sexual interest laying dormant until puberty, unlike fetishes (which are introduced at any point and take hold for other reasons)
[QUOTE=Arsonist;35138566]Being physically attracted to men or women is not a choice
Behaving like the gay stereotype is a choice.[/QUOTE]
i thought this was debate not "spew your awful fucking opinions" hour
While I hate people saying you can just 'choose' to not be gay, it is also very inaccurate to assume this means you are 'born' gay. It's just not true. You are born liking women, it is our genetic disposition. Whether you end up liking men by the time you can even choose that in a meaningful way is a different story, and is likely an environmental determination.
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;35136103]I'm bisexual and I can turn my attraction to either sex on and off like a tap
I also have gay days and straight days
It's pretty weird[/QUOTE]
Also in this situation lately.
[QUOTE=DarkendSky;35143877]While I hate people saying you can just 'choose' to not be gay, it is also very inaccurate to assume this means you are 'born' gay. It's just not true. You are born liking women, it is our genetic disposition. Whether you end up liking men by the time you can even choose that in a meaningful way is a different story, and is likely an environmental determination.[/QUOTE]
i'm sure you have great reasons for this belief and understand what gene mutations are
also that you have superb thinking skills that showed you that all contrary evidence is false
[QUOTE=DarkendSky;35143877]While I hate people saying you can just 'choose' to not be gay, it is also very inaccurate to assume this means you are 'born' gay. It's just not true. You are born liking women, it is our genetic disposition. Whether you end up liking men by the time you can even choose that in a meaningful way is a different story, and is likely an environmental determination.[/QUOTE]
we aren't even born with basic motor skills let alone sexual attraction
why does it matter
I'm going to post what I said in the other thread:
[B]CHOICE:[/B] You can choose to fuck a guy, a girl, or both! You can be hetero and attracted to the opposite sex, but can you fuck a guy? Yes.
[B]NOT A CHOICE:[/B] It isn't a choice to be attracted to a certain gender. Like a hetero male will be attracted to females, bisexuals are attracted to both, and homosexuals are attracted to the same sex. It's kind of like how some men find some women with red hair attractive, and some don't.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;35143713]sexuality is very obviously different from fetishes
you come out of the womb with the instructions to develop your sexual interest laying dormant until puberty, unlike fetishes (which are introduced at any point and take hold for other reasons)[/QUOTE]
From what few baseless claims and examples I have heard of, the fetishes are likely to develop from the point of early childhood, even though they are not shown or discovered until much later in life. But alas, it's an unrelated topic to this discussion.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35137786]I said this in the other thread, but I'll say it again just in case people didn't see or understand what I was saying. I believe that being gay can be an act of nature or nurture as well as personal choice. Let me explain: Nature: There's some sort of biological factor(s) that contributes to someone becoming gay. This is no doubt the most common cause of people being gay. Nurture: Gays can be "taught" how to be gay. An example of this could be where two gay parents adopt a young child (maybe two years old) and this child grows up not seeing a whole lot of the outside world. Now, this child has seen love in a homosexual way. This child will no doubt end up becoming gay. Of course, other environmental factors do apply. Now let's say this same child grows up around lots of straight friends for a good portion of his life. It depends, but the child could end up being straight depending on other environmental factors. It's all in the environment when it comes down to nurture. Personal Choice: I believe that with the want and support, a gay individual can become straight. Yes, it's hard. Yes, it does take a shitload of time. But does this mean it isn't possible? No, it doesn't. I'm sure there has been at least one gay person in the history of man that has become straight. [editline]14th March 2012[/editline] So what you're trying to say is "gays are just gay because they are gay and stuff". Seriously, gays aren't gay "just because they are". There is some sort of reason behind it.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I think if you try and present these nurture and personal choice arguments as fact again I think you should be banned. You have been told you are wrong so many times with supportive concurring evidence, you need to accept that perhaps the actual LGBT users are more knowledgeable in this instance.
And to whoever said you are born straight, do you have evidence to back up the claim that babies have a sexual preference of any kind?
I love how his argument hinges on 'I'm sure there has been at least one gay person in the history of man that has become straight.'
Its a choice, you've born with it, or somethings happened with girls that you prefer boys.
It's not a gene i'd bet. It's the way you born i think.
[QUOTE=Rama214;35149948]It's not a gene i'd bet. It's the way you born i think.[/QUOTE]
So... genetics?
I personally think the majority of it depends on your upbringing, how you were raised, etc. nobody seems to be exploring the possibility of if outside influences structures the way your brain wires itself. At least in response to those studies that LGBT people have differently wired brains.
I believe it's a choice, that's highly influenced by your genes and the way you're raised
[QUOTE=Nerdeboy;35150903]So... genetics?[/QUOTE]
i think he means headfirst generally allows you to see the monstrosity you're coming out of
[QUOTE=Rama214;35149948]Its a choice, you've born with it, or somethings happened with girls that you prefer boys.
It's not a gene i'd bet. It's the way you born i think.[/QUOTE]
You either need to use spell check or learn proper English if you wish to join a serious discussion,comrade.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;35151057]I believe it's a choice, that's highly influenced by your genes and the way you're raised[/QUOTE]
What part of it do you think is a choice?
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