[QUOTE=Megafan;39223483]There's no way in Japanese to just end on anything you might think of as a consonant other than 'n'.[/QUOTE]
When speech ends with ん, it's invariably a nasal "N", which, while still technically a consonant, is not native to English or most other Germanic languages. It's not a good idea to think of it as the consonant "n" sound typically used when words end in "n" in Germanic languages.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Izekyu;39264876]I do. I have saved alot. Around 20.000 NOK that's around 310771.33 JPY
Everything goes for plane from Norway to Japan, renting a small apartment and the monthly fees such as water, internet, power etc.
I made a list earlier:
-snip-
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What kind of airfare did you find that went down towards 4000 NOK? I've traveled back and forth between Norway and Japan a LOT (about 4 times a year) for the last 5 years, and the cheapest I've flown was using Aeroflot. They have flights through Moscow and an eastern Chinese airport (sometimes civilian, sometimes hybrid civilian/military) which seems to vary. The fare is about 5700 NOK. Luckily Air China offers a much more pleasant journey for only about 500 NOK more, depending on the season.
Apart from the slightly optimistic airfare, the other numbers are accurate for uban life, which is not really a surprise considering the yen is deflating, not inflating, like most currencies in developed countries (though this is bound to change soon). It's a little bit cheaper in the countryside, especially residence fees.
I don't want to sound pessimistic, but I don't think your plans are realistic. Without the backing of a private school in Japan and the Norwegian embassy (neither of which are likely to happen on your own), your prospects of getting a student visa on your own are slim. I'm a little embarrassed to admit I have tried exactly this myself, and the embassy would not support me despite the fact that I had spent about 18 months in Japan at the time and had support from a private school as well as from a Japanese family (the latter is surprisingly helpful when it comes to any visa issues, particularly before you're fluent in the language).
There is no such thing as a residence permit in official parlance, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Your visa is your residence permit. If you are referring to the new residence card; registration is similar to the old system, where you notify your local government of your residency *after* entering Japan.
If you are talking about permanent residency, you can't get that unless you have a history of living in Japan on various other visas first. Permanent residency is the first basic requirement for naturalization (citizenship), so that's out of the question as well. You shouldn't take naturalization lightly either; dual citizenship is illegal by both Norwegian and Japanese nationality law. While the Japanese authorities do not enforce this, the Norwegian government has been less predictable in the past by my research.
You do not strictly need to travel all the way back to Norway to renew your visa. Where you went after leaving Japan is technically your own business, although you'll probably be questioned about it at the airport. If you have a visa that isn't the tourist visa, like a student visa, you can just go to the regional immigration office and explain your situation to get the visa extended/renewed. If you have the tourist visa (90 day visa), extension should only be sought in emergency situations (it's only a max of 2 weeks anyway), but it's easy to get it renewed by spending a day or two in Seoul or Pusan, which is much cheaper and less stressful than traveling all the way to Europe.
During all of the above, your language ability is the key to success. It's the difference between spending hours at the immigration office only to be rejected in the end, and spending just 10 minutes to get it renewed without ado.
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If you were talking about an international high school, then you might be able to get them to sponsor your visa, but I don't recommend these schools. Classes are in English and Japanese language ability among students and faculty is next to zero. They exist mainly for the families of embassy staff, and in the case of the US, military staff, and the point is to receive an "international" (read: American) education. The school environment is not Japanese in any sense of the word (and that's kind of the point). They're really expensive and not something you can fund by taking a part-time job.
If you want to go to Japan with the aim of staying, tell us how old you are and which stage of education you are in, and I can tell you what your prospects are.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39273796]The thing that stops most people is the fact that you have to relinquish your old country's citizenship to become a naturalized Japanese citizen.[/QUOTE]
It's not uncommon for naturalized Japanese citizens to "secretly" hold dual citizenship, as it's the responsibility of the naturalized citizen to personally contact the embassy of your old nationality and negotiate the loss of citizenship. It's kind of pointless though, except for being some sort of Machiavellian long-term contingency plan, because you'll be "caught" (read: pressured to follow the law) if you actually use any non-Japanese passport.
[QUOTE=Izekyu;39264876]And getting a part-time job is something I have to do anyway.[/QUOTE]
Good luck getting a part time job as a foreign high school student who can't speak Japanese.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39273796]The thing that stops most people is the fact that you have to relinquish your old country's citizenship to become a naturalized Japanese citizen.[/QUOTE]
I'd take that Japanese citizenship over my US citizenship.
[QUOTE=DEG_fan;39279160]
I'd take that Japanese citizenship over my US citizenship.[/QUOTE]
can we trade
Let's.
[QUOTE=jA_cOp;39277209]When speech ends with ん, it's invariably a nasal "N", which, while still technically a consonant, is not native to English or most other Germanic languages. It's not a good idea to think of it as the consonant "n" sound typically used when words end in "n" in Germanic languages.[/QUOTE]
Well right, it's not quite the same thing, but in terms of *anything* that might be similar to a consonant, that's the only one I know of.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=jA_cOp;39277209]It's not uncommon for naturalized Japanese citizens to "secretly" hold dual citizenship, as it's the responsibility of the naturalized citizen to personally contact the embassy of your old nationality and negotiate the loss of citizenship. It's kind of pointless though, except for being some sort of Machiavellian long-term contingency plan, because you'll be "caught" (read: pressured to follow the law) if you actually use any non-Japanese passport.[/QUOTE]
I've heard about that, but as you say it seems relatively pointless considering you wouldn't be able to use your foreign passport for anything.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39283491]Well right, it's not quite the same thing, but in terms of *anything* that might be similar to a consonant, that's the only one I know of.
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
I've heard about that, but as you say it seems relatively pointless considering you wouldn't be able to use your foreign passport for anything.[/QUOTE]
More about this. The fiancé is an American/Japanese citizen. It is true she doesn't have to tell anyone about it, and we can use her American passport without anyone raising a fuss. The only thing is that she can't get a federal job, shed have I give up Japanese citizenship. It's really common ou here.
日本語が大好きですから、べんきょうすることがとてもおもしろいですね。
I love Japanese because studying it is very interesting.
日本でいくことがたのしいとおもいます。そして、いきたいですね。。。
Going to Japan would be fun, and I want to go...
[QUOTE=Se1f_Distruct;39297910]日本語が大好きですから、べんきょうすることがとてもおもしろいですね。
Because I love Japanese, studying it is very interesting.
日本へいくことがたのしいとおもいます。そして、いきたいですね。。。
I think going to Japan would be fun, and I want to go...[/QUOTE]
Fixed your grammar and translation there. When you use から, the statement before it is the part causing the part that comes after. Also, with the verb 行く（いく）, you usually use the particles に or へ, rather than で, unless there's a special exception you're aware of.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39297983]Fixed your grammar and translation there. When you use から, the statement before it is the part causing the part that comes after. Also, with the verb 行く（いく）, you usually use the particles に or へ, rather than で, unless there's a special exception you're aware of.[/QUOTE]
Gaaah. I knew it.
I always get the order messed up with から.
And I was gonna put に, god dammit.
I hate myself. :v:
[editline]20th January 2013[/editline]
Second guessing
[editline]20th January 2013[/editline]
Thank you for clearing it up for me though, I really appreciate it!
Sure thing. If nothing else this thread should be a good place to get your translating ability double-checked.
Galo Sengen came on when I we were doing our JP final :v:
[QUOTE=Vault;39325002]Galo Sengen came on when I we were doing our JP final :v:[/QUOTE]
Might I ask how that happened? Were you taking a final on Youtube or something?
[QUOTE=Megafan;39325040]Might I ask how that happened? Were you taking a final on Youtube or something?[/QUOTE]
No, our sensei had music on during the final (J-POP and other stuff comes on) and then
...whirrr WHIRRRRRR
Easy now DEG_fan. I'm not going there if I can't speak and understand the language yet.
[editline]23rd January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=jA_cOp;39277209]
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
What kind of airfare did you find that went down towards 4000 NOK? I've traveled back and forth between Norway and Japan a LOT (about 4 times a year) for the last 5 years, and the cheapest I've flown was using Aeroflot. They have flights through Moscow and an eastern Chinese airport (sometimes civilian, sometimes hybrid civilian/military) which seems to vary. The fare is about 5700 NOK. Luckily Air China offers a much more pleasant journey for only about 500 NOK more, depending on the season.
Apart from the slightly optimistic airfare, the other numbers are accurate for uban life, which is not really a surprise considering the yen is deflating, not inflating, like most currencies in developed countries (though this is bound to change soon). It's a little bit cheaper in the countryside, especially residence fees.
I don't want to sound pessimistic, but I don't think your plans are realistic. Without the backing of a private school in Japan and the Norwegian embassy (neither of which are likely to happen on your own), your prospects of getting a student visa on your own are slim. I'm a little embarrassed to admit I have tried exactly this myself, and the embassy would not support me despite the fact that I had spent about 18 months in Japan at the time and had support from a private school as well as from a Japanese family (the latter is surprisingly helpful when it comes to any visa issues, particularly before you're fluent in the language).
There is no such thing as a residence permit in official parlance, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Your visa is your residence permit. If you are referring to the new residence card; registration is similar to the old system, where you notify your local government of your residency *after* entering Japan.
If you are talking about permanent residency, you can't get that unless you have a history of living in Japan on various other visas first. Permanent residency is the first basic requirement for naturalization (citizenship), so that's out of the question as well. You shouldn't take naturalization lightly either; dual citizenship is illegal by both Norwegian and Japanese nationality law. While the Japanese authorities do not enforce this, the Norwegian government has been less predictable in the past by my research.
You do not strictly need to travel all the way back to Norway to renew your visa. Where you went after leaving Japan is technically your own business, although you'll probably be questioned about it at the airport. If you have a visa that isn't the tourist visa, like a student visa, you can just go to the regional immigration office and explain your situation to get the visa extended/renewed. If you have the tourist visa (90 day visa), extension should only be sought in emergency situations (it's only a max of 2 weeks anyway), but it's easy to get it renewed by spending a day or two in Seoul or Pusan, which is much cheaper and less stressful than traveling all the way to Europe.
During all of the above, your language ability is the key to success. It's the difference between spending hours at the immigration office only to be rejected in the end, and spending just 10 minutes to get it renewed without ado.
edit:
If you were talking about an international high school, then you might be able to get them to sponsor your visa, but I don't recommend these schools. Classes are in English and Japanese language ability among students and faculty is next to zero. They exist mainly for the families of embassy staff, and in the case of the US, military staff, and the point is to receive an "international" (read: American) education. The school environment is not Japanese in any sense of the word (and that's kind of the point). They're really expensive and not something you can fund by taking a part-time job.
If you want to go to Japan with the aim of staying, tell us how old you are and which stage of education you are in, and I can tell you what your prospects are.[/QUOTE]
I've been told alot my plans are not realistic. Even some say that it is possible. But thanks for the info.
I'm not sure if this school is a international or private school. Anyway the school is named Yanagawa High School.
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I got that flight price from kilroy travels. I have a link to it here: [url]http://ibe01.kilroytravels.com/kilroy_ibe/DispatchServlet?cmd=request_setup&countrycode=no&k_pgen=2&lang=en&onlyLanguage=true[/url]
setting the date on first march is just a little prediction on when I will leave, depending on how things turns out.
And to answer your last sentence, I am 18. And right now I'm on the final third year of high school.
Edit: Sigh, all these replies I get. I'm out of here.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39325040]Might I ask how that happened? Were you taking a final on Youtube or something?[/QUOTE]
You have the best avatars
[QUOTE=Izekyu;39166012]I'm currently only learning japanese by japanesepod101.com
Ever since february 2012 since I started I'm only at absoulte beginner season 2...
I'm ashamed of my progress. I really love the country and the language but I'm struggling with the motivation to learn... But now recently I'm trying to learn it everyday. I find it pretty easy. The only thing I find difficult is remembering the Hiragana, katakana and Kanji. And react to japanese words just as fast as I react with words from my native language and english.
As I'm also trying at the same time to become a student at a High School over there, without the support of a exchange program...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Izekyu;39326032]Easy now DEG_fan. I'm not going there if I can't speak and understand the language yet.
And to answer your last sentence, I am 18. And right now I'm on the final third year of high school.[/QUOTE]
What is a final third year?
You've been studying the language through online sources as of February, you said you have trouble with hiragana, katakana and Kanji which are basically the whole language.
You're also 18, and you want to go to a Japanese high school and get a part time job?
You make it seem like you are going there with barely a knowledge of the language. I didn't pull that reply out of my ass.
do you have a fantasy 2 be a japanese hs school student just like in ur japanese animes?? y dont you just finish hs, and then study abroad like normal ppl
[QUOTE=DEG_fan;39328209]What is a final third year?
You've been studying the language through online sources as of February, you said you have trouble with hiragana, katakana and Kanji which are basically the whole language.
You're also 18, and you want to go to a Japanese high school and get a part time job?
You make it seem like you are going there with barely a knowledge of the language. I didn't pull that reply out of my ass.[/QUOTE]
I can understand Kanji but how the fuck can you have problems with Hiragana and Katakana? If you really want to learn the language, I'd imagine even a slow learner could learn them all in less than a month (I did it in about two weeks).
Hiragana is for basic talk
Katakana is for products
Kanji is for places and names
Right?
Katakana is used for pronouncing foreign words, for example coffee (コーヒー). Hiragana is used to pronounce words in Japanese, such as today (kyou) (きょう). However, the hiragana isn't the only way to read the word in Japanese. The word today can be written in hiragana as above or in kanji. Today: (今日). The kanji is another way to write words.
Just wondering if anyone uses this Nintendo DS game to learn japanese.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/My_Japanese_Coach_Coverart.png[/img]
Is this any good? Good for a beginner? Does anyone uses this? Or is it a worthless piece of game ever?
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;39333249]I can understand Kanji but how the fuck can you have problems with Hiragana and Katakana? If you really want to learn the language, I'd imagine even a slow learner could learn them all in less than a month (I did it in about two weeks).[/QUOTE]
It took my JPN1 class in high school about 3 quarters of the year just to learn hiragana.
[QUOTE=titopei;39335135]It took my JPN1 class in high school about 3 quarters of the year just to learn hiragana.[/QUOTE]
Shows you how underfunded/shitty foreign language classes tend to be here
My school is actually pretty good with languages. I took 3 years of french, I know enough that I could probably live and fend for myself over there. Not enough to get into deep philosphical think tanks, but enough to manage. My school also offers Spanish, German, and Chinese, and Japanese is offered in an online course. I'm considering taking it for the extra credit, seeing as how far I already am.
[QUOTE=titopei;39335135]It took my JPN1 class in high school about 3 quarters of the year just to learn hiragana.[/QUOTE]
During our first year, about 7 years ago, it took us a little under a month to learn hiragana. If I may ask, what sort of area was your school situated in?
[QUOTE=snijboer;39334222]Just wondering if anyone uses this Nintendo DS game to learn japanese.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/My_Japanese_Coach_Coverart.png[/img]
Is this any good? Good for a beginner? Does anyone uses this? Or is it a worthless piece of game ever?[/QUOTE]
I had the french version, it wasn't that bad
But seeing as I have first-hand experience in both french and japanese and I know they're two very different languages my opinion wouldn't be the best one.
Sorry for the massive size I'm working off my iPhone![Img]http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3584/imagezxn.jpg[/img] Megafan I took your advice and found the giant crab (; the okonomiyaka was delicious (the takoyaki is way better in Osaka too). In the way of language Osakan's say "homa" for really? Instead of "honto" like mos of Japanese.
VERY jealous. "Hontou" is "really" in the standard Japanese. The people in Kansai (where Osaka is) speak a different dialect than the "standard" Japanese that people who study learn. Every region, though, probably has their own way on saying things. Obviously there's more than Osaka-ben/Kansai-ben.
Is there a Japan general thread?
[QUOTE=DEG_fan;39355997]Is there a Japan general thread?[/QUOTE]
Isn't this the thread?
Edit: Very jealous too. D:
Wow, nice!
[QUOTE=Daniellynet;39356131]Isn't this the thread?
Edit: Very jealous too. D:[/QUOTE]
Well this is supposed to be the Japanese (language) thread. Hence the name of the thread.
I don't want to render off topic too much, but I feel like it keeps on happening.
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