Let's Make A Concept Album V3 - The Final Wars (I swear, I will not kill anyone) - General

[QUOTE=AK'z;33612081]Noone cares for a lurker's opinion. [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] I expected some sort of plan to go with it, but clearly there wasn't any actual idea. As I've said. [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] I think this will go on hold until the christmas album is done. :>[/QUOTE] Since you insist you're not a musician, why should we care for yours?

[QUOTE=Zee!;33612267]Since you insist you're not a musician, why should we care for yours?[/QUOTE] Because he is actually helping.

[QUOTE=Hakita;33612281]Because he is actually helping.[/QUOTE] Being unfair and biased is hardly helping.

[QUOTE=Zee!;33612267]Since you insist you're not a musician, why should we care for yours?[/QUOTE] Because unlike you who only comes here to rate posts, I talk. :) [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zee!;33612295]Being unfair and biased is hardly helping.[/QUOTE] You have made 7 posts in the space of 5 months.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33612332]Because unlike you who only comes here to rate posts, I talk. :) [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] You have made 7 posts in the space of 5 months.[/QUOTE] So you're somehow more entitled to making decisions because you have been talking about stuff you don't know anything about for longer? YUP FLAWLESS LOGIC.

How about we shut the fuck up with the drama (I thought you weren't longer allowed in here Ak'z?) and instead listen to eachother? Zee!, why would you consider historical themes a bad idea?

If you guys want to have fun being bitter, then go ahead.

[QUOTE=Dick Tracy;33612462]How about we shut the fuck up with the drama (I thought you weren't longer allowed in here Ak'z?) and instead listen to eachother? Zee!, why would you consider historical themes a bad idea?[/QUOTE] Mainly because unless you know the event(s) that each track is based around in details then the track loses all purpose, you might as well just produce a regular album. To maximize the enjoyment you should pic a theme that anyone can pick up and listen to without hitting the books. I imagine this is why the whole Lovecraft thing fell through as well.

[QUOTE=Zee!;33612522]Mainly because unless you know the event(s) that each track is based around in details then the track loses all purpose, you might as well just produce a regular album. To maximize the enjoyment you should pic a theme that anyone can pick up and listen to without hitting the books. I imagine this is why the whole Lovecraft thing fell through as well.[/QUOTE] If we started from scratch with the making ideas. Would you be happier?

[QUOTE=AK'z;33612541]If we started from scratch with the making ideas. Would you be happier?[/QUOTE] It's not about me being happy. It's about the album getting actual listeners - having an obscure theme that requires the listener to do his homework before listening doesn't qualify as a very attractive album.

Interesting summation. However, it really isn't about "raking in listeners". The music business nowadays is about "Being heard" rather than making it for enjoyment and expression for themselves. The album project that it's all about here, is the main collab and the christmas album. This is mainly for our own personal enjoyment as a group.

[QUOTE=Zee!;33612522]Mainly because unless you know the event(s) that each track is based around in details then the track loses all purpose, you might as well just produce a regular album. To maximize the enjoyment you should pic a theme that anyone can pick up and listen to without hitting the books. I imagine this is why the whole Lovecraft thing fell through as well.[/QUOTE] I can see what you mean, I sort of agree and also sort of disagree too, I think it would be possible to make a concept album based upon historical events and have it be interesting the artists could capture the feel of the events they make songs about. I'm going to take the song I included, it is obviously about war (as the sound effects tell you), it is about the invasion of iraq by the americans in 2003, a voice sample (george w bush) starts the song with a speech about a government who wants to impose some sort of dictatorship with sounds of fighting in the background. The tempo is pretty upbeat, that gives me a feeling of a war, an invasion. Later on, george w bush says he does not want to impose his own government on the now "freed" iraqi people. The background fighting tells another story though, the drums have a short break until the fighting picks up again and you can tell through the musical landscape that something is wrong. Some more fighting, insurgents rising up to fight the invaders. George W Bush says the iraqi people are grateful to live in freedom (and by default, democracy imposed by the invading force). A helicopter comes in with soundclips speaking of shooting down people in the field, which to me sounds a lot like "oh hey those people sort of look like bad people we'll kill them either way", which obviously is coloured by my own experience of the invasion ; it was unjust and uncalled for and many innocent people died for no apparent reason. It all ends with a huge fucking boom, which I think could either be a way to kick off another song based upon war, start of the album or just end the album. Either way, I think that historical themes can be really interesting and it is very much possible to tell interesting tales of things you don't know about as long as you can weave the music (and if you want to, samples) to tell said tale. Besides, I'm almost certain that the events that will be depicted on this album will be major things that people already know about, or will make people interested in those events so that they can read up on it.

[QUOTE=Dick Tracy;33612462](I thought you weren't longer allowed in here Ak'z?) [/QUOTE] Oh gee lmao [QUOTE=Zee!;33612522]Mainly because unless you know the event(s) that each track is based around in details then the track loses all purpose, you might as well just produce a regular album. To maximize the enjoyment you should pic a theme that anyone can pick up and listen to without hitting the books. I imagine this is why the whole Lovecraft thing fell through as well.[/QUOTE] Yeah but making an album about historical events rather than a girl you love is way more fun. Your point is stupid. If everyone picks a different theme, it won't be a concept album. Besides, this is nonprofit, we are not trying to make money. I could whore like 10 000 listens for this in a week by using spambots and shit, but why? Making music is fun, not work.

[QUOTE=Dick Tracy;33612678] I'm going to take the song I included, it is obviously about war (as the sound effects tell you), it is about the invasion of iraq by the americans in 2003, a voice sample (george w bush) starts the song with a speech about a government who wants to impose some sort of dictatorship with sounds of fighting in the background. The tempo is pretty upbeat, that gives me a feeling of a war, an invasion. [/QUOTE] There are nice uses of sound effects, but it isn't a musical piece. I don't think a constant range of gunshot sound effects and helicopters, with a drum track tells me about the person who made it.

For the record I want AK'z to be here, he has shown that he is a bright and creative man in the music section and I'm not the only one to value his opinions highly. It's just the "I'm just trolling this section" that could get him into trouble :ohdear:

[QUOTE=Dick Tracy;33612747]It's just the "I'm just trolling this section" that could get him into trouble :ohdear:[/QUOTE] Yes, I'm so glad it's a rule that you can't make a joke.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33612727]There are nice uses of sound effects, but it isn't a musical piece. I don't think a constant range of gunshot sound effects and helicopters, with a drum track tells me about the person who made it.[/QUOTE] I disagree, it has an instrument who pushes forward the song (the drums obviously), it provides the rhythm to the foreground of musical samples which then tells a tale. It might not follow a song structure as pop/rock do, but I still think it can be called a musical piece. What else would it be?

[QUOTE=Croix;33612686]Oh gee lmao Yeah but making an album about historical events rather than a girl you love is way more fun. Your point is stupid. If everyone picks a different theme, it won't be a concept album. Besides, this is nonprofit, we are not trying to make money. I could whore like 10 000 listens for this in a week by using spambots and shit, but why? Making music is fun, not work.[/QUOTE] Read my post again, you misunderstood everything completely. You're creating a false dichotomy.

[QUOTE=Dick Tracy;33612785]it provides the rhythm to the foreground of musical samples which then tells a tale.[/QUOTE] I've never really thought of drums as that much of an expressive device, it really depends what you're trying to do with it. [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zee!;33612815] You're creating a false dichotomy.[/QUOTE] You're making this thread, incredibly tedious. Also, was everyone okay with putting this on hold for the Christmas album?

Also music isn't about the creator it's about the listener. Thinking anything else is incredibly self-important.

[QUOTE=Zee!;33612847]Also music isn't about the creator it's about the listener. Thinking anything else is incredibly self-important.[/QUOTE] Self indulgence is best. And [I]we're[/I] all listening to each others music here.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33612836]I've never really thought of drums as that much of an expressive device, it really depends what you're trying to do with it. [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] You're making this thread, incredibly tedious. Also, was everyone okay with putting this on hold for the Christmas album?[/QUOTE] You're making this thread incredibly obtuse.

[QUOTE=Zee!;33612887]You're making this thread incredibly obtuse.[/QUOTE] By what means? Do I confuse you? Because that's understandable.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33612861]Self indulgence is best. And [I]we're[/I] all listening to each others music here.[/QUOTE] So what you're saying that you only make music for your little circlejerk here to establish your worth as a person? Sounds fun.

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[QUOTE=AK'z;33612925]By what means? Do I confuse you? Because that's understandable.[/QUOTE] If anything you confuse me with your choice of incredibly lame arguments based on pathos. That isn't something to be proud of.

[QUOTE=Zee!;33612942]So what you're saying that you only make music for your little circlejerk here to establish your worth as a person? Sounds fun.[/QUOTE] dude all you've done so far is criticise everything, post no explicitly helpful solutions, and given no indication that you're actually planning on helping.

[QUOTE=Zee!;33612942]So what you're saying that you only make music for your little circlejerk here to establish your worth as a person? Sounds fun.[/QUOTE] Hurf durf. I make music because I like making music. Of course I want it to be good, and I strive to make it good. But really, if you make music purely for others, that's pretty sad. Do girls not like you if you don't play a guitar or something? tbh, I just checked your SoundCloud. It may feel like a little unfair of an argument, but your songs only have like 50 listens per piece and you call us posting our music here circlejerking? You don't even have a circle. [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zee!;33612969]If anything you confuse me with your choice of incredibly lame arguments based on pathos. That isn't something to be proud of.[/QUOTE] Did you just read a wikipedia article on arguments or something since you keep using snobby greek words for logic and shit.

[QUOTE=Zee!;33612942]So what you're saying that you only make music for your little circlejerk here to establish your worth as a person? Sounds fun.[/QUOTE] Don't blame me for you being miserable. I'm only here because I like it here, why should I need to "establish" anything, when I'm already happy.

[QUOTE=Croix;33612978]Hurf durf. I make music because I like making music. Of course I want it to be good, and I strive to make it good. But really, if you make music purely for others, that's pretty sad. Do girls not like you if you don't play a guitar or something? tbh, I just checked your SoundCloud. It may feel like a little unfair of an argument, but your songs only have like 50 listens per piece and you call us posting our music here circlejerking? You don't even have a circle. [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] Did you just read a wikipedia article on arguments or something since you keep using snobby greek words for logic and shit.[/QUOTE] You're assuming I'm making music specifically directed at individuals - which is wrong, I never even pointed that out. The point of music is to spark feelings within the listener. Obviously if you don't have listeners creating the entire piece is a waste of time. Also, I am sorry you don't know how to argue.