Let's Make A Concept Album V3 - The Final Wars (I swear, I will not kill anyone) - General

You guys should really figure out a musical motive or something to tie the album together, like a lot of legit concept albums do (I know The Wall and The Downward Spiral do this, and it's very effective). It would really help it remain cohesive, even if it was only in a few songs. Why is this funny?

[QUOTE=killerteacup;33160846][B]Do one about how hard it is to fit in every Fper will relate to it[/B] or do one about modern misery and how everyone seems to be sad about something and noone knows what [/QUOTE] i like this one a lot actually finding your niche i guess

[QUOTE=killerteacup;33160846]Do one about how hard it is to fit in every Fper will relate to it or do one about modern misery and how everyone seems to be sad about something and noone knows what [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] The issue with doing a narrative-based and tightly constructed idea is that in this situation there are so many people, its very hard to collude to make it tight, and progress well. Something similar to the Dark Side of the Moon kind of works better because while its not a narrative, its a collection of songs based around different aspects of the same concept[/QUOTE] it's not hard if you have a story set in front of you already. You just pick people to cover certain parts of the story then put it all together in the narrative order established in the book. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] it's called a motif but yes a motif would be very good to have

[QUOTE=fenwick;33161687]You guys should really figure out a musical motive or something to tie the album together, like a lot of legit concept albums do (I know The Wall and The Downward Spiral do this, and it's very effective). It would really help it remain cohesive, even if it was only in a few songs. Why is this funny?[/QUOTE] I'm sorry I rated funny, but everything that Mon, Vedicardi, and you said I already tried to push for in the past 2 threads. And they never caught on.

it's because the musical motive cannot suck or the whole thing will suck

of course not LETS DO DRAEAMS LOL OKAYE GUYS OHKAY NOW WE ARE DUONE WITH THE DREAM NOWE WEERE CRAZYEE LOOLLO! [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] @ Mr n [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;33162409]it's because the musical motive cannot suck or the whole thing will suck[/QUOTE] If you keep it very broad and use classical style motifs (which are based around interval sizes rather than specific notes) I think it could work. If we were doing p. much anything lovecraftian, I think a good motif would be (Root, descending fifth, then half-step down) dat TRI-TONE bitch

Ok, maybe you guys will have more luck. :smith:

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;33162414] (Root, descending fifth, then half-step down) dat TRI-TONE bitch[/QUOTE] ew no

what do you want to use minor sixths instead or something COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;33162550]what do you want to use minor sixths instead or something COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER[/QUOTE] we should nail down the theme before we write the music imo that way the music will reflect its subject matter and we won't have a bunch of awesome songs that we don't know what to do with

it was just a general suggestion. WHATEVER GOD Anyway, everyone read the whisperer in darkness

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;33162414]of course not LETS DO DRAEAMS LOL OKAYE GUYS OHKAY NOW WE ARE DUONE WITH THE DREAM NOWE WEERE CRAZYEE LOOLLO! [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] @ Mr n [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] If you keep it very broad and use classical style motifs (which are based around interval sizes rather than specific notes) I think it could work. If we were doing p. much anything lovecraftian, I think a good motif would be (Root, descending fifth, then half-step down) dat TRI-TONE bitch[/QUOTE] That's not a tritone. The tritone would be a descending fourth then a half-step down. I like where you're going, though. Maybe you could make the motive be root -> perfect fifth -> perfect fourth. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KeDX8.png[/IMG] Works in lots of modes, sounds pretty neutral, but is recognizable, and you can easily switch it up by substituting in the tritone (when shit gets real), inverting it, putting it in 3 or whatever. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Qxqb2.png[/IMG]

i like this one. [IMG]http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9397/progp.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=fenwick;33162965]That's not a tritone. The tritone would be a descending fourth then a half-step down. I like where you're going, though. Maybe you could make the motive be root -> perfect fifth -> perfect fourth. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KeDX8.png[/IMG] Works in lots of modes, sounds pretty neutral, but is recognizable, and you can easily switch it up by substituting in the tritone (when shit gets real), inverting it, putting it in 3 or whatever. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Qxqb2.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] you're right I was thinking just moving to the relative fifth. I always forget while descending from a root it's descending a fourth. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] the nice thing about this motif is you can really move it around. Say you're in B minor, you could play B -> D -> A -> G# and still establish the motif rather than just playing it based off of tonic. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] root -> perfect fifth -> perfect fourth is the motif used by The Who in Who's Next fyi... [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] and root perfect fifth tri-tone is a bit overused. Playing it descending is a bit less played out [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] so are people going to read it or not

[QUOTE=Mon;33157141] Dark Side of the Moon is a good example of what i mean - it took the idea of a concept album, and brought it to something everybody can relate to - [I]life[/I] that right there is what helped push the album to the masses[/QUOTE] That album is about insanity/madness too. And I still think we have time to fledge out ideas. Let me add bullet points. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] there, edited it to Undecided. :v:

I'm curious as of what the deadline will be, genre restrictions and other stuff.

[QUOTE=deggie;33167252]I'm curious as of what the deadline will be, genre restrictions and other stuff.[/QUOTE] No deadline, no genre restrictions. The only thing that matters, is ideas and input. Then at the end we'll make it work.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33168032]No deadline, no genre restrictions. The only thing that matters, is ideas and input. Then at the end we'll make it work.[/QUOTE] There needs to be some deadline, otherwise it'll never get released, if we have an agreed deadline then the problems the last one had are less likely.

[QUOTE=Thoughtless;33168695]There needs to be some deadline, otherwise it'll never get released, if we have an agreed deadline then the problems the last one had are less likely.[/QUOTE] True, but if we have deadlines, we'll have less input.

I think I'll join, most of my songs have been pretty noisy and insane.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33168704]True, but if we have deadlines, we'll have less input.[/QUOTE] Not if we set them for a long time away, like after Christmas or something.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33163975][B]That album is about insanity/madness too.[/B] And I still think we have time to fledge out ideas. Let me add bullet points. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] there, edited it to Undecided. :v:[/QUOTE] no no it's not the closest it got to madness was brain damage please don't tell me you thought that Time was about madness it wasn't

I think I'll join, most of my songs have been pretty noisy and insane.

How about for the first song, we start with an excerpt from "Call of Cthuthlu"? Not because it's Cthuthlu, but because many parts of the book have great discussions about sanity.

[QUOTE=AK'z;33163975]That album is about insanity/madness too. And I still think we have time to fledge out ideas. Let me add bullet points. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] there, edited it to Undecided. :v:[/QUOTE] no. it's about life and death. The Wall is about madness. i was unable to record my drumming today as i woke up late and am ill. i'll try tomorrow though

[QUOTE=ThatCrazyGmanV2;33174134]How about for the first song, we start with an excerpt from "Call of Cthuthlu"? Not because it's Cthuthlu, but because many parts of the book have great discussions about sanity.[/QUOTE] we're not going to use that theme

How about we make songs that are about the occupy movement.

lol

I have no idea what is going on right now

[QUOTE=Hakita;33180495]I have no idea what is going on right now[/QUOTE] This is the new concept, get to work everyone.