Anime - Why do most people here hate it? - General

No, Ancient Greeks caused pedophiles.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;22137269]No, Ancient Greeks caused pedophiles.[/QUOTE] You mean Japan.

[QUOTE=NearlyEpic;22136937]Furries.[/QUOTE] I have two questions for you, sir. 1. How does Japanese culture make people want to fuck animals? 2. Are you legally diagnosed with downs syndrome?

And if you go with the stereotypical anime watcher how is there a problem? They would be so fat and weak that they would never catch up to a kid.

Mods, lock this thread for promoting pedophilia.

I'm more curious to hear why people actually like anime.

[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;22137503]I'm more curious to hear why people actually like anime.[/QUOTE] Because the Japanese know how to tell a good story. Probably better than Americans do. That's really all there is to say on the matter.

[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;22137503]I'm more curious to hear why people actually like anime.[/QUOTE] because spice and wolf

[QUOTE=Doomish;22137929]Because the Japanese know how to tell a good story. Probably better than Americans do. That's really all there is to say on the matter.[/QUOTE] yeah screw the fat american pig go eat some pocky as a reward for your kawaii behavior

[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;22137503]I'm more curious to hear why people actually like anime.[/QUOTE] [B][U]PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ MY POST, I USED ALOT OF TIME ON IT, AND IT WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION WHICH WAS ASKED[/U][/B] [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/2i8f0hs.jpg[/IMG] That's like asking "Why do people love video games?" I can answer, but DAMN it would take a while... Ok, I will then. Anime is a good way to get the basics of japanese culture, something I for mine like because I'm a huge fan of demonology. Another thing is the stories and plots. I for mine like a good story, no matter what it's based around (In other words, a good story about little girls fighting the moon is just as good as a story about a detective finding pedophile rapists). Some of you say the art-style is horrible, and you think the animation is too, and I really can't argue because there are [B]so many different kinds of styles and animations-types[/B], but if you say you hate all of them then I'm gonna go ahead and call you the thing that would be in the middle of asshat and dickweed. For the voices... Well, I don't really care much about them. The little girls are annoying (but you get used to that pretty easily) and the males sound like they want to do... "stuff" with you. However, it's a semi-good way to learn the language, and learning the language can be good for... Well, if you're gonna question this, then I think you should rather ask yourself [I]"Why learn anything at all?"[/I] [B][U]BECAUSE IT'S GOOD TO KNOW STUFF, MAYBE?[/U][/B] I didn't like anime-music in the beginning, but after a while it get's pretty ok. (Kinda like Rick Roll. I hated it in the beginning, but now it's my cell-phone ringtone) I love some animes because of their good use of shading and their animation (just about the ONLY reason I watched Haruhi and K-On. I wouldn't recommend those two for people who never have seen an anime before though). Sure, there's also the kind of anime I hate. Lucky Star for example. No plot. No story. Mediocre animation. Annoying voices I can't even get used to and not good music either. (And for you people who like Lucky Star: I've seen some of the episodes, I just didn't like it, I have my opinion, you have yours) I think this image sums up my feelings towards lucky star pretty well: [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/69kd29.jpg[/IMG] Naruto too. Even though I've read the first book, (Don't worry, I didn't buy it, a friend of mine did, and he got it in a magazine for free) I think Naruto is the Sonic of anime. He started off pretty ok, but after a while he became... I don't even want to talk about it, I just think it's milked, and now it sucks. If you would like to know what animes I like I would have to say either the ones that send you flying to the roof with a "OH GOD, THIS IS WRONG, I SHOULD WATCH THIS" feeling, and sends you laughing toward the floor again (READ: Bokutso tenshi dokuro chan) or those with some really good stories and action (READ: Elfen Lied, Full Metal Alchemist, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann) Then again, I have really just watched about 12 animes EVER (Including Pokemon, Duel Masters, Beyblades and Sailor Moon (The ones I watched as a kid)), and it's only lately I've started watching it for serious, but I still think I should be allowed to post a comment about what I think about the medium so far, I mean, christ Gost, this post took a while.. Well well [IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/119nwbb.jpg[/IMG] [editline]03:16AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Archy;22138040]yeah screw the fat american pig go eat some pocky as a reward for your kawaii behavior[/QUOTE] You don't get the point, do you? We don't hate America, we just don't think America is the best shit ever. I don't think Japan is either, but I think both have different things you can concider "cool" within each of them, therefore I like both.

[QUOTE=Archy;22138040]yeah screw the fat american pig go eat some pocky as a reward for your kawaii behavior[/QUOTE] That... Isn't exactly what I said. Frankly, I think pocky is tasteless, and I didn't even say the word kawaii anywhere in my sentence. I also didn't say "screw the fat american pig", I just said that Americans aren't the best storytellers in the world. When you talk like that it makes you sound like an annoying 13 year old, and the fact that I'm speaking in complete sentences means I have a better argument than you anyway. Shut the fuck up unless you know what you're talking about, if you'd be so kind.

[QUOTE=Doomish;22137929]Because the Japanese know how to tell a good story. Probably better than Americans do. That's really all there is to say on the matter.[/QUOTE] tbh I've never played a Japanese-made game with a good story. They all seem like they were written by 14-year-olds.

[QUOTE=TH89;22139052]tbh I've never played a Japanese-made game with a good story. They all seem like they were written by 14-year-olds.[/QUOTE] Are you saying the Japanese can't write good stories? Because that would be hilarious coming from you - the mod whose bans come mostly from race-related posts. [editline]03:13PM[/editline] If I said that same exact thing about black people, you'd most likely ban me.

[QUOTE=TH89;22139052]tbh I've never played a Japanese-made game with a good story. They all seem like they were written by 14-year-olds.[/QUOTE] Well, I found the story in both Ninja Gaiden and Fatal Frame to be... Better than average. But then again, games aren't known for having that good stories in general, and trying to think of a game with a story comparable to many other mediums would be a stupid move after all. (I am saying this while trophy hunting in Heavy Rain too, and that game is supposed to have a "Good" story from what I've heard.) Also, aren't you saying Zelda has a bad story here? I mean, sure, it's generic as... well, it's in a level of it's own, but you gotta admit that you liked the Kokiri-lore, the way of the Gorons, and the Zora's gods. Basically, the stories aren't good, but they make you feel involved anyway. Also, Ninja Gaiden was a bad example, seeing how most of the story is text, and how you guys would never READ in a video game. Oh, and by the way, the games I've played with the best stories are all by Bethesda. Isn't that weird? (Yes, they're not japanese, but I just wanted to throw that out there)

I don't think most people hate it. It's just that there's so much mediocre anime flooding the market because of its popularity that it drives attention away from the real masterpieces. Once it dies as an international fad the more thoughtful films will stand out.

[QUOTE=Machina;22139324]I don't think most people hate it. It's just that there's so much mediocre anime flooding the market because of its popularity that it drives attention away from the real masterpieces. Once it dies as an international fad the more thoughtful films will stand out.[/QUOTE] No, most people here DO hate it. If you post a reaction image with an anime character they will most likely vote you rainbow/dumb. It's a fact, look it up

[QUOTE=Zondac;22139361]No, most people here DO hate it. If you post a reaction image with an anime character they will most likely vote you rainbow/dumb. It's a fact, look it up[/QUOTE] Na, und? Fuck'em. If you enjoy it, why care what people on a forum think?

[QUOTE=Machina;22139417]Na, und? Fuck'em. If you enjoy it, why care what people on a forum think?[/QUOTE] I just told you you were wrong, because I thought you didn't know about the phenomenon that is facepunch's hatred towards anime. Here's some proof: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=22114174#post22114174[/url] That was posted in the "Who else thinks glasses make girls much hotter (or prettier) than girls without them?"-thread, and I want you to look at the ratings.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;22139100]Are you saying the Japanese can't write good stories? Because that would be hilarious coming from you - the mod whose bans come mostly from race-related posts. [editline]03:13PM[/editline] If I said that same exact thing about black people, you'd most likely ban me.[/QUOTE] It can get hairy because we're talking about both an ethnic group and a nationality. To clarify--there are plenty of Americans of Japanese heritage who write just fine and are very bright. The problem is that Japanese (the nationality, not the race) popular culture is steeped in an odd kind of infantilism, the origins of which I'm not sure of. But it has nothing to do with genetics. [editline]07:08AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zondac;22139306]Basically, the stories aren't good, but they make you feel involved anyway.[/QUOTE] I think that's true of a lot of games, although often it's contingent on really lowered expectations. For example I really like the gameplay and graphics of the Ace Combat series, and it takes a lot of brain-deadening to be able to ignore the horrible VAs and writing. But once I do that I can enjoy it. Even Mass Effect 2, which was supposed to be cinematic bliss or whatever, was largely pretty awkward. I had to develop a blind spot for voice acting and pacing a lot of the time in order to enjoy it seriously.

[QUOTE=TH89;22139489]I think that's true of a lot of games, although often it's contingent on really lowered expectations. For example I really like the gameplay and graphics of the Ace Combat series, and it takes a lot of brain-deadening to be able to ignore the horrible VAs and writing. But once I do that I can enjoy it. Even Mass Effect 2, which was supposed to be cinematic bliss or whatever, was largely pretty awkward. I had to develop a blind spot for voice acting and pacing a lot of the time in order to enjoy it seriously.[/QUOTE] Exactly, therefore saying that just the japanese are making "meh" stories is not just silly, but downright stupid. So, even though I agree with you, I still think you saying "Japanese writes stories like 14 years olds" is stupid, because the medium you spoke about aren't supposed to do it better than a 14 year-old anyway! Then again, the stories may get a little... different after translation, and this may lead some of the stories to be a little weird. (I am not sure, I don't know anything about Japanese grammar, so I wouldn't know how the translation works anyway, but I've seen horrible sentenses and stuff like that in japanese video games before, sooo..)

[QUOTE=Zondac;22138324]Anime is a good way to get the basics of japanese culture[/QUOTE] Hm, I don't think watching an Anime does the Japanese culture any justice. Most seem to use the same re-hashed concepts and ideas anyway, what's left to actually "learn" from? Most reasons for liking an anime are pretty similar it seems. I can't, however, shake the feeling that the reasonings are about as bogus as saying "I like to watch porn for the story."

[QUOTE=Zondac;22138324] Anime is a good way to get the basics of japanese culture, something I for mine like because I'm a huge fan of demonology. [/QUOTE] I honestly couldn't care less how much time you spent on your post cause I really had to stop reading here. [editline]07:34AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zondac;22139479]I just told you you were wrong, because I thought you didn't know about the phenomenon that is facepunch's hatred towards anime. Here's some proof: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=22114174#post22114174[/url] That was posted in the "Who else thinks glasses make girls much hotter (or prettier) than girls without them?"-thread, and I want you to look at the ratings.[/QUOTE] Discussion thread about RL girls wearing glasses. *Picture of 10 year old anime girl in short shirt* Clearly related to the topic.

[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;22139668]Hm, I don't think watching an Anime does the Japanese culture any justice. Most seem to use the same re-hashed concepts and ideas anyway, what's left to actually "learn" from? Most reasons for liking an anime are pretty similar it seems. I can't, however, shake the feeling that the reasonings are about as bogus as saying "I like to watch porn for the story."[/QUOTE] Well, me liking to work my way downward and up, I will start with saying [B]NO ONE WATCHES PORN FOR THEIR STORY[/B]. Now that we are done with that, if you really do not believe anime's can have good stories, then you just haven't seen enough animes. Also, yes, most of the reasons are pretty similar, but you were just supposed to get the idea, that's all. And learning culture... well, this is a pretty big subject, so I really do not want to dive into it, but there are MANY mythological animes out there, which often revolve around the demons of Japan and the legends surrounding Mt. Fuji, and seeing how there are over... I think it was around 500 different species of Youkai (Some kind of japanese demon, google it), this subject really can't get old, because there's always more to learn.. Kinda like photoshop! But if you think my post is BS, then the solution is pretty simple: Try anime for yourself, I mean, it's not like it's gonna hurt you. I suggest choosing wisely though, because some animes can be really akward if you don't have any experience, but if you read my post I had some examples of good animes for "beginners" there (Christ, I make it sound like a sport lol). Anyway, if you like Spongebob you'll love Dokuro-chan, and if you like more serious stuff... Well, there's ALOT for you to choose from, but depending on if you "like" violence, and important characters dying horrible deaths, then Elfen Lied is a good choice. If you prefer more... Normal stuff then watch either Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann or Full Metal Alchemist. That's just my tip [editline]05:39AM[/editline] [QUOTE=A.C.I.D;22139716]I honestly couldn't care less how much time you spent on your post cause I really had to stop reading here.[/QUOTE] Well, that's ignorant of you. No reason to come up with a good response if you didn't even read my post... Except... Why did you have to stop reading there? You know, I do not JUST care about Japanese mythology, I care about the Norse one (The first one I cared about, really), the Greek and let's not forget about the roman! You're just being angry because this is about Japan, not about some of the other ones, which kinda makes you a racist :I Then again, this is the internet [QUOTE=A.C.I.D;22139716]Discussion thread about RL girls wearing glasses. *Picture of 10 year old anime girl in short shirt* Clearly related to the topic.[/QUOTE] There never was any mention of RL girls in the OP. Also, the character in that pic is somewhere between 15-16. And the fact that you even mention the short skirt makes me wonder how much you know about the japanese school uniform. The post was related to the topic, because the topic was "girls" not "women"

[QUOTE=Zondac;22139665]Exactly, therefore saying that just the japanese are making "meh" stories is not just silly, but downright stupid. So, even though I agree with you, I still think you saying "Japanese writes stories like 14 years olds" is stupid, because the medium you spoke about aren't supposed to do it better than a 14 year-old anyway! Then again, the stories may get a little... different after translation, and this may lead some of the stories to be a little weird. (I am not sure, I don't know anything about Japanese grammar, so I wouldn't know how the translation works anyway, but I've seen horrible sentenses and stuff like that in japanese video games before, sooo..)[/QUOTE] They're stupid in different ways. I think what I've noticed is that bad American storywriting tends to have low aspirations to start with--it's done in kind of a pulpy way. Take Gears of War for example: bad aliens, people fighting aliens, big muscly guy wins, great. It sets the bar low and meets it. Whereas if you look at a Japanese game with a dumb story, like Ace Combat (I've played 4 and 5 and it applies to both), it seems like they really WANTED to do a depthful, meaningful story about the moral complexity of war. But they completely lacked the political sophistication and social insight to be able to pull it off. We end up with a bunch of characters standing around awkwardly opining HEY WAR IS BAD before they go off and kill 50 people. So, by contrast, it seems to set the bar far beyond the capabilities of its writers, and then fail spectacularly. It's because Japanese popular culture as it is now is intensely superficial. I don't know why. Maybe it has something to do with being a psychotically imperialist power until 60 years ago and then getting several of their cities ruthlessly demolished. Maybe not. I'm sure there's academic literature that can explain it. All I know is that after WWII (thanks at least in part to us) the Japanese seemed to latch on to the most shallow elements of Western culture and run with it. It seems like most of the anime we see is a product of that. [QUOTE=Zondac;22139777]But if you think my post is BS, then the solution is pretty simple: Try anime for yourself, I mean, it's not like it's gonna hurt you.[/QUOTE] You think I haven't? I'm not the guy who hates stuff because other people on the internet hate it. I try to make judgments based on firsthand experience. A lot of my negativity comes from this cycle where someone will try to get me into anime, I'll say what I don't like about it, they'll claim that I haven't seen "the good stuff" and then show me a bunch of stuff that is bad in most or all of the ways I described. Forgive me if I'm a little pessimistic at this point.

Anime's are cartoons.

[QUOTE=TH89;22139907]They're stupid in different ways. I think what I've noticed is that bad American storywriting tends to have low aspirations to start with--it's done in kind of a pulpy way. Take Gears of War for example: bad aliens, people fighting aliens, big muscly guy wins, great. It sets the bar low and meets it. Whereas if you look at a Japanese game with a dumb story, like Ace Combat (I've played 4 and 5 and it applies to both), it seems like they really WANTED to do a depthful, meaningful story about the moral complexity of war. But they completely lacked the political sophistication and social insight to be able to pull it off. We end up with a bunch of characters standing around awkwardly opining HEY WAR IS BAD before they go off and kill 50 people. So, by contrast, it seems to set the bar far beyond the capabilities of its writers, and then fail spectacularly. It's because Japanese popular culture as it is now is intensely superficial. I don't know why. Maybe it has something to do with being a psychotically imperialist power until 60 years ago and then getting several of their cities ruthlessly demolished. Maybe not. I'm sure there's academic literature that can explain it. All I know is that after WWII (thanks at least in part to us) the Japanese seemed to latch on to the most shallow elements of Western culture and run with it. It seems like most of the anime we see is a product of that.[/QUOTE] I get what you're saying, because the whole Ace Combat thingy is what i felt for MGS. (Ok, MGS had a pretty kick-ass story, but it was pretty hard to understand, took me [B]4[/B] playthroughs) But yeah, I agree, but to some level, I would still say that the japanese stories are at least more creative than the standard american ones I mean, how many times have there been a "Chosen human" fighting a horde of aliens? From the top of my head I can think of Halo, Gears of War and Resistance, and that took less that 3 seconds to think up. TL;DR Japanese stories are not good, but more creative than the standard american one

I think my biggest peeve about anime is the folks who love it seem to think their life is like their favorite anime. I used to date a girl who would purposefully start drama to create situations similar to what she watched in a FUCKING CARTOON. I wished I picked up on it sooner, I peaced it all together after she had me watch them with her (I'll admit some of them were pretty good).

You know what? It's gotten to the point where people who post or talk about anime are not annoying anymore. [B]The crowds of people who flip the fuck out whenever anime is mentioned are much more annoying.[/B] If you mention anime within the first page of a thread on Facepunch, you can successfully derail the whole thing. Every time.

[QUOTE=TH89;22139907]You think I haven't? I'm not the guy who hates stuff because other people on the internet hate it. I try to make judgments based on firsthand experience. A lot of my negativity comes from this cycle where someone will try to get me into anime, I'll say what I don't like about it, they'll claim that I haven't seen "the good stuff" and then show me a bunch of stuff that is bad in most or all of the ways I described. Forgive me if I'm a little pessimistic at this point.[/QUOTE] Well, if you gave it a try, but didn't like it then I am ok with that, I just don't like people bashing stuff just because they have different opinions about what is good entertainment and what is not. If you do not like anime, then ok, what do you like? (I'm guessing stuff like Mythbusters and stuff, because you guys seem to love science :science:, and that kinda makes trying to get you into anime [B]impossible[/B]. If you prefer realistic stuff, don't even try.) [editline]06:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Radiosquid;22140022]You know what? It's gotten to the point where people who post or talk about anime are not annoying anymore. [B]The crowds of people who flip the fuck out whenever anime is mentioned are much more annoying.[/B] If you mention anime within the first page of a thread on Facepunch, you can successfully derail the whole thing. Every time.[/QUOTE] True, but that's mainly because of facepunch's hate towards it, and the fact that anime is pretty "underground" stuff here. It's like you walking in a mall talking about a pretty not-known game, and then someone else comes up to you and says they know about the game, you usually start talking about that game for a great while [editline]06:01AM[/editline] [QUOTE=HyperTails;22139930]Anime's are cartoons.[/QUOTE] Facepunch loves cartoons, your argument is invalid

these threads are pretty funny