[QUOTE=TH89;22145878]It's kind of hard to tell from the picture, which is gussied up in a very pornographic way. So either it's porn, or it's exploitative junk for teenagers and man-children.[/QUOTE]
Of course, explaining a story from a picture is... well, unless you already know the story - Impossible.
But as I said this is "usually" maybe this pic just is made that way just cause, even though I doubt it. (This is something I believe because of experience)
[QUOTE=dgg;22145063]...
I was talking about the difference in WHAT KIND of shit you have to wade through.
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No offense, but if you can't find a good anime, either you don't like any of them or you just fail at searching.
[QUOTE=johanz;22145987]No offense, but if you can't find a good anime, either you don't like any of them or you just fail at searching.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like you're talking to me now. [url]http://myanimelist.net/animelist/dgg[/url]
What I'm saying is that most people don't like to wade through the shit in anime when they can wade through shit in live-action TV series and movies, books and western cartoons that isn't filled to the brim with sexual visuals and high pitched voices. You'll find a lot of sex and boobs in western media, but not in the way that you see close ups of boobs or angles with focus on the breasts with lots of jiggeling or frog perspectives looking up in the crotch of the women all the time.
Taking that in consideration it's really not weird that many people shun anime, even if it is stupid to do so. And then to top it a lot of people hate the stereotypical artstyle that you'll find in about 70% of the shows.
[QUOTE=Zondac;22145809]Good point. BTW, I love you avatar.[/QUOTE]
Thanks :buddy: Made it in Sculptris as a joke, uploaded it as a joke, and it stuck.
I don't mind Anime/ Manga, the majority of it is fairly decent, its just the shit we are force-fed by the TV networks and retarded mainstream weaboos (read: all weaboos) that drives me insane, the plots are shit or non-existent, the characters have no character (hurr), and the animation is generic as fuck. Unfortunately these are the only ones that get half decent dubbing.
Oh well, I can always fall back onto Manga that gets translated by the community.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;22146227]Thanks :buddy: Made it in Sculptris as a joke, uploaded it as a joke, and it stuck.
I don't mind Anime/ Manga, the majority of it is fairly decent, its just the shit we are force-fed by the TV networks and retarded mainstream weaboos (read: all weaboos) that drives me insane, the plots are shit or non-existent, the characters have no character (hurr), and the animation is generic as fuck. Unfortunately these are the only ones that get half decent dubbing.
Oh well, I can always fall back onto Manga that gets translated by the community.[/QUOTE]
How do you make animation generic?
And why the hell do you watch bad dubs? That's worse than watching the whole "desu" combo youtube video.
[QUOTE=dgg;22146003]You make it sound like you're talking to me now. [url]http://myanimelist.net/animelist/dgg[/url][/QUOTE]
That's an impressive list, and I can agree with most of your ratings.
[QUOTE=dgg;22146261]How do you make animation generic?
And why the hell do you watch bad dubs? [B]That's worse than watching the whole "desu" combo youtube video.[/B][/QUOTE]
I've done that.
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[QUOTE=hexpunK;22146227]Thanks :buddy: Made it in Sculptris as a joke, uploaded it as a joke, and it stuck.
I don't mind Anime/ Manga, the majority of it is fairly decent, its just the shit we are force-fed by the TV networks and retarded mainstream weaboos (read: all weaboos) that drives me insane, the plots are shit or non-existent, the characters have no character (hurr), and the animation is generic as fuck. Unfortunately these are the only ones that get half decent dubbing.
Oh well, I can always fall back onto Manga that gets translated by the community.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree with the whole "dubs are bad m'kay" thing, but that's the sole reason I always watch the subbed japanese ones.
However, this is something I can imagine Americans not liking, but here in Norway I [B]HAD[/B] to watch subbed versions of almost everything, and before I could understand english I got used to reading subs, so I guess that's the reason why I don't really care than much about what the character says, and rather what the text read
[editline]03:36PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Firefox42;22142991]honestly, I hate anime mostly because most can't even get the lip syncing right.[/QUOTE]
This is why they have huge eyes. You're not supposed to look at the lips
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;22146269]That's an impressive list, and I can agree with most of your ratings.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. I guess.
[QUOTE=Zondac;22146303]I've done that.
Yeah, I agree with the whole "dubs are bad m'kay" thing, but that's the sole reason I always watch the subbed japanese ones.
However, this is something I can imagine Americans not liking, but here in Norway I [B]HAD[/B] to watch subbed versions of almost everything, and before I could understand english I got used to reading subs, so I guess that's the reason why I don't really care than much about what the character says, and rather what the text read[/QUOTE]
So have I. It hurt.
Eh. We're more used to subs alright. But most people I hear either can't be bothered reading the text AND watch the show at the same time or just can't stand the language, nor try to get used to it either.
[QUOTE=Zondac;22145932]Of course, explaining a story from a picture is... well, unless you already know the story - Impossible.
But as I said this is "usually" maybe this pic just is made that way just cause, even though I doubt it. (This is something I believe because of experience)[/QUOTE]
Either way, it's eroticizing female suffering in a pretty repulsive way.
[QUOTE=TH89;22146422]Either way, it's eroticizing female suffering in a pretty repulsive way.[/QUOTE]
How so? By showing her legs?
It's most likely a scene from a Visual Novel. But it could also just be some random "original" art.
[QUOTE=dgg;22146391]Thank you. I guess.
So have I. It hurt.
Eh. We're more used to subs alright. But most people I hear either can't be bothered reading the text AND watch the show at the same time or just can't stand the language, nor try to get used to it either.[/QUOTE]
I've noticed that some more action-packed anime can be hard to watch with subs as they constantly detract your attention away from what's going on on the screen.
But dubs are usually crap so I just stick with subs anyway. It's always better.
[QUOTE=Firefox42;22142991]honestly, I hate anime mostly because most can't even get the lip syncing right.[/QUOTE]
And western animation has great lip syncing?
[del]The last show I saw[/del] The last GOOD show I saw with decent lip syncing was Kim Possible, and that was cancelled. Most new cartoons look like they were made in Flash. And most probably were.
But yeah the lip syncing is usually shit.
[QUOTE=dgg;22146261]How do you make animation generic?
And why the hell do you watch bad dubs? That's worse than watching the whole "desu" combo youtube video.[/QUOTE]
Generic animation as in, the same movements all the time, the same shit (look at the stupid ass "OMG SOMETHING JUST HAPPENED" background lines that you see in popular anime, if you get what I'm on about). The same facial expressions all the time, the same art style as most other animators, the list goes on.
I can't remember the last time I watched anime to be honest, but the times I had they were mostly bad dubs w/ subbing. So it wasn't too bad if you blocked the voices out.
[QUOTE=TH89;22144848]It certainly doesn't look like anything an adult would be interested in.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't the point, the point was that not all anime is for [B]kids[/B]
He said cartoons are for kids. The bloody stuff there is more for teenagers
[QUOTE=dgg;22146471]How so? By showing her legs?[/QUOTE]
Come on dude, the camera is angled directly up her skirt. That's not an accident.
[editline]05:47PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ldesu;22146547]That wasn't the point, the point was that not all anime is for [B]kids[/B]
He said cartoons are for kids. The bloody stuff there is more for teenagers[/QUOTE]
Teenagers are kids.
[QUOTE=TH89;22146569]Come on dude, the camera is angled directly up her skirt. That's not an accident.
[editline]05:47PM[/editline]
Teenagers are kids.[/QUOTE]
It's not a good example.
It sure isn't.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;22146531]Generic animation as in, the same movements all the time, [b]People move in a standard way, if we didn't we'd be falling over all the time.[/b]
the same shit (look at the stupid ass "OMG SOMETHING JUST HAPPENED" background lines that you see in popular anime, if you get what I'm on about). [b]I agree with this, and it's bled over into western cartoons[/b] :argh:
The same facial expressions all the time, the same art style as most other animators, the list goes on. [b]They use smiles to show happiness, crying to show sadness, etc. These are real facial expressions, if they made up a new expression for everything we wouldn't connect to the characters and it'd feel wierd.
And each studio has a certain style (that of the lead animator), that's why some shows look similar.[/b]
I can't remember the last time I watched anime to be honest, but the times I had they were mostly bad dubs w/ subbing. So it wasn't too bad if you blocked the voices out. [b]Dubs are evil hellspawn sent to ruin viewing experiences.[/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;21695531]I dunno. Anime can be all right, but usually the characters look retarded, the writing is bad and there [B]far too much perverted objectifying of women[/B] in it.
Yeah. Its the perverted stuff that annoys me the most actually - and it explains why most people who like it are massive nerds (not physically massive, although that is a distinct possibility too).[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking kidding me? Look at American culture. Americans and the rest of the western world objectify women like there is no tomorrow. It's fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;22146633][/QUOTE]
damn you blankquoting me :argh: But yeah, some of my points were more personal opinion rather than fact, the facial expression thing is mostly them using the ^_^ kind of face whenever they can in an attempt at cuteness. That is one of the expressions in particular that drives me insane as there is no variation in it, even if it is used on a character with a totally different facial build.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;22146633]They use smiles to show happiness, crying to show sadness, etc. These are real facial expressions, if they made up a new expression for everything we wouldn't connect to the characters and it'd feel wierd.[/QUOTE]
What he's saying is that facial expressions are extremely nuanced, three-dimensional things. If you boil it down to "smile" and "frown" and other generic archetypes, not only is it lazy but it makes the characters very un-expressive.
Also, your defense doesn't really work on things like this:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3677532/expressions.jpg[/img]
Which really ARE used incessantly by anime artists. Even though they're not expressions that real people make, they're cliched anime tropes that can be substituted for drawing an actual expression.
Western cartooning, at least when it comes to facial expressions, tends to be a lot more diverse and improvisational:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3677532/AVATAR.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Doomish;22138424]That... Isn't exactly what I said. Frankly, I think pocky is tasteless, and I didn't even say the word kawaii anywhere in my sentence. I also didn't say "screw the fat american pig", I just said that Americans aren't the best storytellers in the world.
When you talk like that it makes you sound like an annoying 13 year old, and the fact that I'm speaking in complete sentences means I have a better argument than you anyway. Shut the fuck up unless you know what you're talking about, if you'd be so kind.[/QUOTE]
yeah, because japan is definitely the king of storymaking and all americans are meh
[QUOTE=TH89;22146874]What he's saying is that facial expressions are extremely nuanced, three-dimensional things. If you boil it down to "smile" and "frown" and other generic archetypes, not only is it lazy but it makes the characters very un-expressive.
Also, your defense doesn't really work on things like this:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3677532/expressions.jpg[/img]
Which really ARE used incessantly by anime artists. Even though they're not expressions that real people make, they're cliched anime tropes that can be substituted for drawing an actual expression.
Western cartooning, at least when it comes to facial expressions, tends to be a lot more diverse and improvisational[/QUOTE]
The majority of mainstream "cutesy" anime, I agree is a little lazy with their emotions, but most people watch those for the comedy/cutesy factor of it, not the plot or emotion which the characters go through.
Often, older, grittier stuff like Cowboy Bebop, Akira, etc. has a more plot and character driven style and emotions aren't dumbed down to simple archetypes.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;22146531]Generic animation as in, the same movements all the time, the same shit (look at the stupid ass "OMG SOMETHING JUST HAPPENED" background lines that you see in popular anime, if you get what I'm on about). The same facial expressions all the time, the same art style as most other animators, the list goes on.
I can't remember the last time I watched anime to be honest, but the times I had they were mostly bad dubs w/ subbing. So it wasn't too bad if you blocked the voices out.[/QUOTE]
I can't say I've seen that a lot.
But I also don't watch anything that is produced for longer than 13 or 26 episodes.
When it's mass production you can't expect much else with the shit economy and income they have in the anime industry.
[QUOTE=TH89;22146569]Come on dude, the camera is angled directly up her skirt. That's not an accident.
Teenagers are kids.[/QUOTE]
But the inside of the skirt is blackened out to remove the actual focus from being there. Any normal anime work would gladly increase the size of those breasts and show the panties. The main reason the angle is on the ground is to show the severed hand.
Agreed.
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[QUOTE=TH89;22146874]What he's saying is that facial expressions are extremely nuanced, three-dimensional things. If you boil it down to "smile" and "frown" and other generic archetypes, not only is it lazy but it makes the characters very un-expressive.
Also, your defense doesn't really work on things like this:
[img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3677532/expressions.jpg[/img_thumb]
Which really ARE used incessantly by anime artists. Even though they're not expressions that real people make, they're cliched anime tropes that can be substituted for drawing an actual expression.
Western cartooning, at least when it comes to facial expressions, tends to be a lot more diverse and improvisational:
[img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3677532/AVATAR.gif[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
The shows that use those kind of expression are hardly ever good shows though.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;22146802]damn you blankquoting me :argh: But yeah, some of my points were more personal opinion rather than fact, the facial expression thing is mostly them using the ^_^ kind of face whenever they can in an attempt at cuteness. That is one of the expressions in particular that drives me insane as there is no variation in it, even if it is used on a character with a totally different facial build.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the overly 'cute' expressions are annoying, but western animation is just as bad, characters have two emotions happy and 'frown'. Frown being angry, sad, distressed, concerned and any number of negative emotions they're too lazy to animate.
[QUOTE=TH89;22146874]What he's saying is that facial expressions are extremely nuanced, three-dimensional things. If you boil it down to "smile" and "frown" and other generic archetypes, not only is it lazy but it makes the characters very un-expressive.
Also, your defense doesn't really work on things like this:
*stereotypical anime faces*
Which really ARE used incessantly by anime artists. Even though they're not expressions that real people make, they're cliched anime tropes that can be substituted for drawing an actual expression.
Western cartooning, at least when it comes to facial expressions, tends to be a lot more diverse and improvisational:
*western comic*[/QUOTE]
Not mainstream stuff. Western mainstream shit is just as bad as eastern mainstream shit. It's all shit. Most western stuff is lazy, uninspired and bland. Most eastern stuff is lazy, uninspired and 'cute' (bland).
You can't say "Oh anime is shit because they're lazy with facial expressions" and then ignore the fact that WE DO THE EXACT SAME THING IN THE WEST.
That's not even defending anime, most anime is shit. But at the same time most western cartoons are shit too, you can't just ignore them to make a point, it weakens your point.
[QUOTE=Archy;22146900]yeah, because japan is definitely the king of storymaking and all americans are meh[/QUOTE]
To be honest there does seem to be a lot more creativity floating around in Japan than America, look at comics, America has what- superheroes? And Manga is at the same time one of the most diverse comic markets in the world, rivalled only by, to my knowledge, the French who loves their comics a fair bit. Likewise traditional animation is practically gone in USA and often aimed at smaller kids and most of it is produced by Cartoon Network or something. There's the whole 3D thing, but the only ones who seem to actually want to make good, original movies are Pixar.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;22147071]You can't say "Oh anime is shit because they're lazy with facial expressions" and then ignore the fact that WE DO THE EXACT SAME THING IN THE WEST.[/QUOTE]
No we don't.
I'm not saying there aren't some pretty lazily animated Western cartoons, but we really DO have more diversity in expression. Here's a few mainstream Western cartoons as examples:
[img]http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/spongebob-squarepants.jpg[/img]
[img]http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2600000/Flapjack-flapjack-2667625-474-357.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.amuseline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/Simpsons_pic.gif[/img]
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Vzkzv-HN1e4/RjbCH_qIqUI/AAAAAAAAALI/XFkbcNJ5vic/s400/ren+24.jpg[/img]
[img]http://blogs.theage.com.au/schembri/frog.jpg[/img]
Individual cartoonists might have their own collections of stock faces that they draw from, but it's nothing like the cross-franchise use of the same few expressions that we see in anime characters.
Most anime series are done by a few major studios.
[QUOTE=Klownox;22147560]Most anime series are done by a few major studios.[/QUOTE]
Most popular ones that is.
But they have a pretty big ammount of studios out there. But few of them have the money to make something even half-decent.
Take a look at these chartfag charts. Studio is named in the pictures.
[img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/Chartfag/2008-Winter.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/Chartfag/2009-Fall.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/Chartfag/2009-Spring.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/Chartfag/2009-Summer.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/Chartfag/2009-Winter.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/Chartfag/2010-Spring.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/Chartfag/2010-Summer.jpg[/img_thumb]
As you can see there is a high variety of studios. But there are a few that is in almost every season. Like Madhouse, SHAFT, Bones, A1, Kyoto Animations, Studio Deen.
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