[QUOTE=TH89;22147545][img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Vzkzv-HN1e4/RjbCH_qIqUI/AAAAAAAAALI/XFkbcNJ5vic/s400/ren+24.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
They always look like they are tripping some major balls. Maybe they aren't the best example of expression diversity :v:
Similar to how Brit stuff like Monty Python alienated Americans when it first came out, I find Anime too Japanese.
[QUOTE=TH89;22147545]No we don't.
I'm not saying there aren't some pretty lazily animated Western cartoons, but we really DO have more diversity in expression. Here's a few mainstream Western cartoons as examples:
*Spongebob* [b]Spongebob Squarepants has gone down the shitter recently, sure the animation is good but it's also one of the more 'out there' cartoons. It's no where near generic, though the newer episodes are shit[/b]
*Flapjack* [b]I don't even know who that is[/b]
*The Simpsons* [b]It's an incredibly bland show with average animation.[/b]
*Ren and Stimpy* [b]Wasn't Ren and stimpy cancelled?[/b]
*That Disney movie* [b]Hey look, she looks like EVERY OTHER Disney princess, BUT SHE'S ALMOST BLACK![/b]
Individual cartoonists might have their own collections of stock faces that they draw from, but it's nothing like the cross-franchise use of the same few expressions that we see in anime characters.[/QUOTE]
Most good anime is made from a few studios, that's why the characters look the same, they're all designed by the same people. Most western stuff has a creator run the show with his art style and maybe one other. With anime studios they run several shows at the same time, the lead animator draws the characters and then the others just copy his work over and over.
[QUOTE=TH89;22147545]No we don't.
I'm not saying there aren't some pretty lazily animated Western cartoons, but we really DO have more diversity in expression. Here's a few mainstream Western cartoons as examples:
[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Vzkzv-HN1e4/RjbCH_qIqUI/AAAAAAAAALI/XFkbcNJ5vic/s400/ren+24.jpg[/IMG]
Individual cartoonists might have their own collections of stock faces that they draw from, but it's nothing like the cross-franchise use of the same few expressions that we see in anime characters.[/QUOTE]
Nostalgia bomb. I also agree.
[QUOTE=Klownox;22146693]Are you fucking kidding me? Look at American culture. Americans and the rest of the western world objectify women like there is no tomorrow. It's fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked America doesn't sell used panties in vending machines. As far as animation goes, "fan service" could be the biggest exploitation of women in cartoons, ever.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;22147737]Most anime is made from a few studios, that's why the characters look the same, they're all designed by the same people. Most western stuff has a creator run the show with his art style and maybe one other. With anime studios they run several shows at the same time, the lead animator draws the characters and then the others just copy his work over and over.[/QUOTE]
I like how you reply back with your opinion on the show itself in the quote box when it has nothing to do with his post.
And I disagree to an extent with what you're saying. Most anime is adapted from manga. And in manga there are even more variation of people making it, yet they end up looking pretty much the same even there. Then they adapt it to an anime and usually redesign them even more to make them easier to animate and turn them into almost exact clones of everyone else.
Bad character design and poor flexibility in facial features and expressions is as TH89 says just a result of poor and lazy jobs from the animators side.
But it's also important to note that most Japanese animators are in their early twenties.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;22147737]Most good anime is made from a few studios, that's why the characters look the same, they're all designed by the same people. Most western stuff has a creator run the show with his art style and maybe one other. With anime studios they run several shows at the same time, the lead animator draws the characters and then the others just copy his work over and over.[/QUOTE]
* <-- The point
* <-- Janus Vesta's Head
My 'theory':
Most people don't want to be associated with the stereotype surrounding it, so they slag it off in order to distance themselves and make it clear to everyone else that they don't watch it.
Why is this still going? It's just the same arguments rehashed over and over.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;22147954]Why is this still going? It's just the same arguments rehashed over and over.[/QUOTE]
because people don't read
Because I am brilliant
[QUOTE=Drasnus;22147954]Why is this still going? It's just the same arguments rehashed over and over.[/QUOTE]
because of the no-lifes who still believe that japanese culture is the best and everyone who doesn't like it doesn't know what their talking about
[QUOTE=Archy;22147999]because of the no-lifes who still believe that japanese culture is the best and everyone who doesn't like it doesn't know what their talking about[/QUOTE]
You clearly haven't read the thread.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;22147954]Why is this still going? It's just the same arguments rehashed over and over.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ldesu;22147980]because people don't read[/QUOTE]
This.
Plus it's just plain fun.
I love discussing and arguing, don't care that much if I'm rehashing my words.
Because most people are either like "Blah blah, I don't really hate it", even though if they see an anime related post that isn't in an anime related thread they'll go "FFFFFFF-", or the people who admit they hate anime, but usually have bad reasons for it, and usually haven't even tried it
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[QUOTE=Archy;22147999]because of the no-lifes who still believe that japanese culture is the best and everyone who doesn't like it doesn't know what their talking about[/QUOTE]
I gave you a box.
Now you have a home
So by your logic no one has a legit reason for disliking anime.
Makes sense.
anime fucking sucks
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;22148784]So by your logic no one has a legit reason for disliking anime.
Makes sense.[/QUOTE]
No one who actually gave it a try.
If you noticed it, I said "usually" not always.
Also TH89 said he didn't like anime, but he had a valid opinion, because he tried.
You on the other hand...
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[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;22148808]anime fucking sucks[/QUOTE]
Agree x 1
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;22148784]So by your logic no one has a legit reason for disliking anime.
Makes sense.[/QUOTE]
He's talking about those that didn't even give it a try.
Or those who watched Naruto and called it "all anime".
[QUOTE=dgg;22148878]He's talking about those that didn't even give it a try.
Or those who watched Naruto and called it "all anime".[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Also, I don't think I have told you this before, but your avatar is hypnotic :pcgaming:
[QUOTE=TH89;22148953][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edym6_vnjUw[/media][/QUOTE]
Second episode never came?
[QUOTE=TH89;22148953][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edym6_vnjUw[/media][/QUOTE]
Every anime ever should be remade in gmod.
JUST CAUSE!
[QUOTE=Chris122990;21704433]Even if you hate anime, you are not allowed to hate Miyazaki's works.
To do so would make you non-human.[/QUOTE]
Why did I never notice this post? Well, since I have been on a box collecting spree in this corner lately I figured I needed more.
I like anime but I dislike Miyazaki. The only thing that makes his movies good is the visuals, and that's it.
[QUOTE=Zondac;22148929]Exactly.
Also, I don't think I have told you this before, but your avatar is hypnotic :pcgaming:[/QUOTE]
Danche.
[QUOTE=TH89;22147545]No we don't.
I'm not saying there aren't some pretty lazily animated Western cartoons, but we really DO have more diversity in expression. Here's a few mainstream Western cartoons as examples:
[img_thumb]http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/spongebob-squarepants.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2600000/Flapjack-flapjack-2667625-474-357.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://www.amuseline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/Simpsons_pic.gif[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Vzkzv-HN1e4/RjbCH_qIqUI/AAAAAAAAALI/XFkbcNJ5vic/s400/ren+24.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://blogs.theage.com.au/schembri/frog.jpg[/img_thumb]
Individual cartoonists might have their own collections of stock faces that they draw from, but it's nothing like the cross-franchise use of the same few expressions that we see in anime characters.[/QUOTE]
Actually those are terrible examples, nearly every one of those are as generic expressions to western animation as -_-' is to animé. Not to mention the styles are pretty recycled.
[QUOTE=BmB;22150367]Actually those are terrible examples, nearly every one of those are as generic expressions to western animation as -_-' is to animé.[/QUOTE]
His point is that they are not the only ones, plus that they are much more varied from film to film and show to show.
In anime they kinda just have about... 10-15 expressions that they draw in the exact same way all over, even if the artist is a completely different one.
There are obviously a limit to just how many expressions you can draw and still have it to be that kind of expression. But anime is hardly touching them at all.
That's a lie and you perfectly well know it.
[QUOTE=BmB;22150425]That's a lie and you perfectly well know it.[/QUOTE]
Stop lying to yourself.
Just look at Ed Edd and Eddy.
They have more varied expressions in their faces than all anime in total.
I'm not saying western cartoons don't recycle their shit too. But they have more variation, and that's a fact.
I have to agree with dgg here...
Even though he's obviously exaggerating, he has a point. Western cartoons have more expressions, and that kinda funny, because one of my favorite animes (Dokuro-chan) has so many expressions I could hardy count them, and I've said it's the closest thing to a western anime you can get before
Are you kidding? Edd, Ed and Eddy has just one expression.
:downs:
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