Anime - Why do most people here hate it? - General

[QUOTE=BmB;22150687]Are you kidding? Edd, Ed and Eddy has just one expression. :downs:[/QUOTE] Funny man. You should do standup. Door to the scene is this way. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/Bakemonogatari.jpg[/img] I ask you to direct any objections or questions you may have about the job to Bob Ross. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/kon.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;21695458]because it's wrong. life > cartoons[/QUOTE] life > games

And I will now attack at least 1/3 of the thread by using anime. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/K%20Jap.png[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/K%20Japani.png[/img] In other words, obsessed foreginers has been a problem since at least 1999.

[QUOTE=dgg;22150983]And I will now attack at least 1/3 of the thread by using anime. [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/K%20Jap.png[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Anime%20relatert/K%20Japani.png[/img_thumb] In other words, obsessed foreginers has been a problem since at least 1999.[/QUOTE] Fundat, but would that make me, someone who is not American, a hate object because I love America (Mainly because of the internet), even though I live in Europe? Because if you can hate someone for prefering another nationality above their own, then we're ALL fucked, because the world is bigger than the US and Japan, you know? So, wouldn't that make everyone who are not from US who loves the internet into obsessed foreigners? Just a thought

[QUOTE=dgg;22150714]Funny man. You should do standup.[/QUOTE] It's not a joke, it's the style of the show.

[QUOTE=FPChris;22150795]life > games[/QUOTE] You're both wrong, games & cartoons > life. There's a reason they excist, you know? [editline]08:06PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BmB;22151341]It's not a joke, it's the style of the show.[/QUOTE] [img]http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Ed-Edd-n-Eddy-01.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Zondac;22151297]Fundat, but would that make me, someone who is not American, a hate object because I love America (Mainly because of the internet), even though I live in Europe? Because if you can hate someone for prefering another nationality above their own, then we're ALL fucked, because the world is bigger than the US and Japan, you know? So, wouldn't that make everyone who are not from US who loves the internet into obsessed foreigners? Just a thought[/QUOTE] What are you rambling on about? There is a difference between prefering one thing over another (which you just described) and just simply calling something "Best shit ever" and then trash-talk about everything else calling it utter shit. [QUOTE=BmB;22151341]It's not a joke, it's the style of the show.[/QUOTE] Sorry, no.

Don't deny it.

[QUOTE=dgg;22151488]What are you rambling on about? There is a difference between prefering one thing over another (which you just described) and just simply calling something "Best shit ever" and then trash-talk about everything else calling it utter shit. [/QUOTE] I guess you're right, but facepunch seems to be a little too american, IMO [sp]EXCEPT FOR MOTHER RUSSIA[/sp] [editline]o[/editline] 200 posts, let's throw a party for me!

[QUOTE=BmB;22151579]Don't deny it.[/QUOTE] I'm just stating facts. Ed Edd & Eddy has a very wide amount of facial expressions. [QUOTE=Zondac;22151874]I guess you're right, but facepunch seems to be a little too american, IMO [sp]EXCEPT FOR MOTHER RUSSIA[/sp][/QUOTE] Around 40-45% of Facepunch IS American.

Only Ed looks :downs: Eddy is generally a smug bastard and Double D always had a different look on his face. Mostly degrees of fear and worry over Eddy's plans. [editline]10:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=dgg;22151875]Around 40-45% of Facepunch IS American.[/QUOTE] Actually it's closer to 25%, slightly less infact. There was a chart showing visitors to Facepunch and almost 75% were from Europe, almost 25% from America and the rest mostly from Canada and South-East Asia.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;22151888]Actually it's closer to 25%, slightly less infact. There was a chart showing visitors to Facepunch and almost 75% were from Europe, almost 25% from America and the rest mostly from Canada and South-East Asia.[/QUOTE] Last chart I checked it was 40-45%

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;22151888] Actually it's closer to 25%, slightly less infact. There was a chart showing visitors to Facepunch and almost 75% were from Europe, almost 25% from America and the rest mostly from Canada and South-East Asia.[/QUOTE] I was just about to write this, thank you for doing it for me

First two minutes of the first episode of the first season. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2008.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2003.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2009.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2010.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2004.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2001.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2011.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2005.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2006.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2002.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2014.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2013.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2012.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2007.jpg[/img]

I never noticed how much their head shape changes.

[QUOTE=TH89;22140698]I appreciate it, but I think you're missing the point. I don't like The Wire and Generation Kill because they're police procedurals or military stories. I like them because they have brilliant, snappy writing and provide thoughtful insights into different aspects and layers of our society. The cops and tanks and guns and whatnot are a hook that draws attention, but they're not the substance. Focusing on the broad subject matter is the kind of superficiality that I'm talking about seeing in anime culture. That's not meant as a slight or anything, it's just not for me.[/QUOTE] I really couldn't have said it better, superficiality and its dominant prevalence in almost all anime is almost sickening to me at times.

Yepp

[QUOTE=dgg;22152112]First two minutes of the first episode of the first season. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2008.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2003.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2009.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2010.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2004.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2001.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2011.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2005.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2006.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2002.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2014.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2013.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2012.jpg[/img][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Expressions/Ed%20Edd%20%26%20Eddy%20expressions%20-%2007.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] By the same standard you apparently judge animé to have a significantly limited number of expressions I judge that to be all variations of a theme of derp.

I just noticed Double D's head is a different shape in every picture, but Eddy's head keeps a similar shape in them. :tinfoil:

[QUOTE=BmB;22152359]By the same standard you apparently judge animé to have a significantly limited number of expressions I judge that to be all variations of a theme of derp.[/QUOTE] Dude. How thick headed and stubborn are you? You're defending anime with no reason other than "Because I say so" and "Lol no, ur wrong". I've seen over 100 individual anime TV series, and really, the ammount of different expressions is really minimal. Those two minutes in the episode of Ed Edd and Eddy covered [I]almost[/I] the same amount of different expressions you'll see in one whole typical anime episode.

[QUOTE=Zondac;22151874]I guess you're right, but facepunch seems to be a little too american, IMO [sp]EXCEPT FOR MOTHER RUSSIA[/sp] [editline]o[/editline] 200 posts, let's throw a party for me![/QUOTE] I throw party since you mentioned Mother Russia. For party, you kill bear, with fists. Do it little man :argh:

[QUOTE=dgg;22152448]Dude. How thick headed and stubborn are you? You're defending anime with no reason other than "Because I say so" and "Lol no, ur wrong". I've seen over 100 individual anime TV series, and really, the ammount of different expressions is really minimal. Those two minutes in the episode of Ed Edd and Eddy covered [I]almost[/I] the same amount of different expressions you'll see in one whole typical anime episode.[/QUOTE] Then you haven't been paying attention, I've seen a grand total of three animés through and they had an almost limitless number of facial expressions. Actually, counting the Animatrix make that four. No wait I also saw Totoro, five then. Discounting the various little bits and pieces of other stuff here and there that also had immense facial variety. Sure they have their usual smileyfaces now and then that all look alike, but this is little different from various tropes seen in western animation. But between that there is incredible expression, I actually admire the style for that, creating near limitless flexibility with the absolute minimum amount of lines needed to make a face.

Best is probably staying away from saying "I dis/like a western cartoons/anime/other genres" as if it was 100% true as there is always something else to it. I like quite a few mangas, I'm reading One Piece and Hunter X Hunter. And there is this one Chinese Manga that has quite a unique style of humour: [img]http://img-a.onemanga.com/mangas/00000055/00000008/03.jpg[/img] A series that changed the art style quite a lot is hajime no ippo and there are a few others. What I like a lot about the Manga is how detailed most of the bigger series are drawn. In regards to superficiality I really see no difference between western and manga style.

[QUOTE=BmB;22152666]Then you haven't been paying attention, I've seen a grand total of three animés through and they had an almost limitless number of facial expressions. Actually, counting the Animatrix make that four. No wait I also saw Totoro, five then. Discounting the various little bits and pieces of other stuff here and there that also had immense facial variety.[/QUOTE] Name them please. And yes, I do pay attention. Also, again, the argument is not that anime lacks a variation in expressions, it is that western animation has much greater variation.

[QUOTE=Rach Runner;22152451]I throw party since you mentioned Mother Russia. For party, you kill bear, with fists. Do it little man :argh:[/QUOTE] The deed has been done. Bear is now dead. I demand a party now. (I am a viking, I've been killing bear with fist since I was little child) [IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/2n7fqmh.png[/IMG] Bear is dead, I also killed Yeti, he wanted to touch my bear, and I was like "No, Yeti, bear is mine" I cencor my face, so you can't see Yeti-Bear-Killer. Also, my jacket is red And you are littler man that me

[QUOTE=dgg;22152800]Name them please. And yes, I do pay attention. Also, again, the argument is not that anime lacks a variation in expressions, it is that western animation has much greater variation.[/QUOTE] It's probably true but that's mostly to the somewhat more reality-like styles in "most" anime, regarding eyes, face, you name it. As already stated by TH89, it's hard to express facial expressions in 2d media, so animated media exagergates them. The way they do it is different. Cartoons do it by allowing more "change" throughout the series, see your Ed Edd n Eddy example, Anime/Manga does it by using a given, well known set of oversimplified expressions. Ed Edd n Eddy for example loses the comparison to reality in most examples but wins the facial expressions.

[QUOTE=dgg;22152800]Name them please. And yes, I do pay attention. Also, again, the argument is not that anime lacks a variation in expressions, it is that western animation has much greater variation.[/QUOTE] Don't change your arguments. Even playing along, I'm not sure wtf you mean with "greater variety", most western animation I've seen save the big budget Disney-esque productions have far more stonefaced characters than most animé I've seen. Generally it seems pretty equal though, and apparently equally dependent on budget. Ranma, Lucky Star and Haruhi.

[QUOTE=BmB;22153027]Don't change your arguments. Even playing along, I'm not sure wtf you mean with "greater variety", most western animation I've seen save the big budget Disney-esque productions have far more stonefaced characters than most animé I've seen. Generally it seems pretty equal though, and apparently equally dependent on budget. Ranma, Lucky Star and Haruhi.[/QUOTE] I haven't changed my argument. It has always been that western has more facial expression variation than anime. That anime has much more preset faces that you'll see looking identical in every single one of them. Western cartoons may use many of the same expressions (obviously because of what we have previously stated, that there are a limit to how many expressions you can make), but they always tend to look different, especially from artist to artist. But in anime they have just made up a formula of how that and that face should look. I fail to see how Lucky Star has a great and fluid set of facial expressions. It's basically just one big party with all standard facial expressions known to man that you see in every anime. Konata has a :3 face about 30-40% of the time. Haruhi is an exception and Ranma is too long for me to watch. And even if it was short I would have never watched it anyways. [QUOTE=Killuah;22153019]Cartoons do it by allowing more "change" throughout the series, see your Ed Edd n Eddy example, Anime/Manga does it by using a given, well known set of oversimplified expressions. Ed Edd n Eddy for example loses the comparison to reality in most examples but wins the facial expressions.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what we're arguing about.

[QUOTE=Zondac;22152955]The deed has been done. Bear is now dead. I demand a party now. (I am a viking, I've been killing bear with fist since I was little child) [IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/2n7fqmh.png[/IMG] Bear is dead, I also killed Yeti, he wanted to touch my bear, and I was like "No, Yeti, bear is mine" I cencor my face, so you can't see Yeti-Bear-Killer. Also, my jacket is red [b]And you are littler man that me[/b][/QUOTE] Wrong, I've been killing bears since I first conceived in mother. I jumped out of womb and killed bear FOR MOTHER RUSSIA. I also killed eagle, eagle was bald and should not be in country.

I like that "kawaii" means cute and "kowaii" means creepy. The best part is, 99% of anime-fanboys and such say "kowaii" on accident when describing everything.