Yeah it's completely mainstream I am aware, and as I said that gives me a glimmer of hope that the world isn't populated exclusively by drooling idiots.
I didn't draw it out as anything more than an example of how different the styles in animé could be, but TH89 kept poking at it so it became the subject of the discussion. In the end I simply assert that there is no greater nor less amount of either variety or bullshit in either the east or the west.
Thanks for the post dgg!
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]Ahaha. This is just a hilarious read. Characters may be proportionated similarily because most anime do focus on being anatomically right with exception of the content on the face.[/quote]
So I guess we agree there.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]But comparing the line quality of Pokemon to the line quality of TMoHS is like comparing pudding to rock.[/quote]
How so? They both have thin, smooth lines with no variation in width. I don't see any difference.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]With move, do you mean actual bone movement and such? Or animation? because the animation is completely different and a ton much better in TMoSH, as for actual bone movements, they're both humans, what can I say, they move like humans.[/quote]
One thing that Western animation is very good at is imbuing movement with personality. Even in just a walk cycle, there's a lot of potential for variation:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G428UGRJG_o[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX2u2mrGB8Q[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpv-VO16E4I[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXmpirInEBk[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrfhjLd9e4[/media]
[img]http://www.khurak.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ed-edd-n-eddy-big-picture-show.jpg[/img]
I keep going back to EE&E, not because it's a particularly good cartoon, but because it's a rather extreme example of the fluidity that western cartoons are capable of. With the other end of the spectrum being occupied by stuff like the Simpsons, it looks to me like western animation is just way more stylistically diverse than anime.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826] I don't really see a problem with their head shapes other than having really tucked in lower half.[/quote]
Their heads are nearly always shaped like this:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3677532/animehead.jpg[/img]
There's nothing wrong with it as such, it's just an example of how visually formulaic it is.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]How is the spike resembling flocks of hairs worse than coloured sky blobs on peoples heads?[/quote]
Again, nothing wrong with it (although purple hair does look pretty stupid), it's an example of how anime artists tend to tread the beaten path. Western cartoonists tend to be somewhat more diverse in approach.
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fj6qRozFE5M/Sr7lKBIC9iI/AAAAAAAAAb8/_-vkTtOVTwE/s320/lGTXfdq4Z1I26iW.jpg[/img]
Compare to EE&E.
Anime seems to have some exceptions (like that one thing that Adult Swim dubbed over and then the guy who made it fell off a cliff or whatever) that do seem to come up with different ways to draw stuff. I just think there should be more.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]If you want something to watch at, take this and skip to 4:50 (nothing really happens before that) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F0eiLvoWrc[/url]
It's the last episode.
I can't see how you can compare any of that to Pokemon in animation nor visual looks.[/quote]
I still think the animation isn't that different, the reason for which I explained above, but I'll concede it otherwise doesn't look that similar. I guess I was premature in comparing them having only seen a few stills. Some of that is pretty beautiful.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]What do you define as ridicilous voice acting by the way?
Kyon is very natural and sounds good whilst Haruhi... is a bitch. Mikuru... Is Mikuru and I'll leave it at that.[/quote]
Not sure why you're assuming I know all the names of the characters. But for an example, the girl who runs in when the neon elephant is outside the window or whatever is fucking unbearable.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]You should really watch Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann then. It's a big parody of mecha shows and 80's show in general with their "Love can overwin anything" and super buildups, super powers and screams. It's to be taken lightly serious but it's generally just a big bottle of testosterones and parody.[/quote]
Sounds like fun! I do like that kind of stuff, as long as it's in relatively small doses.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]If you want something more serious then I think shows like Ghost in the Shell and Bakemonogatari is for you. Seen from the writing perspective.[/quote]
It's awkward, because the first time I ever saw GitS was in a video rental (back when there were still videos!). I had no idea what it was, but the cover was a naked cyborg woman with enormous, globular breasts. I assumed it was some kind of fetish shit. It's hard to shake off first impressions, and it's hard to understand why someone would make something as artistically ambitious as GitS is purported to be and then fuck it up with creepy fetishistic nudity.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]Bakemonogatari will probably set you off because of the characters, but the talking is Quentin Tarantino like. Though not as good of course.[/quote]
Why "of course?" Maybe I don't hold Tarantino in as high regard as I'm supposed to.
[QUOTE=dgg;22169826]GitS has a women dressed oddly for fanservice but they're not putting it up in your face nor makes it into a big deal in any way. It is joked with in a natural way maybe two times, and then it has nothing to do with her breasts or anything, just clothing.[/quote]
Okay, but "for fanservice" doesn't seem like a good excuse at all. For one thing it makes it sound like the fans are sex-starved human pusbags who live in their parents' attic and who desperately fantasize about the characters in the show they're watching. The Iron Giant didn't need fanservice, so why should this?
The one concession I do make is that there seems to be copious amounts of fanservice all over this shit, but eh, it's aimed at teenagers most of it so whatever. I don't really approve of censoring of or not including sexual content simply because it is sexual. If they want to put in fanservice all the way go for it.
i don't even need to make an argument anymore
the past view videos have demonstrated almost everything i hate about anime
[QUOTE=Seibitsu;22046940]That bad rap is just only a parody. Nothing bad with it.
If you think most anime are childish you could be wrong. There are a lot of anime for adults and also badass like Afro Samurai.
There are animes for every age and every theme. Probably some of them might be bad but anyway the main part is the story they tell.[/QUOTE]
The large majority of anime people show me are about little girls in Gothic Lolita outfits screaming at the top of their lungs.
It's a bit rediculous, and very few people have shown me anime/manga I've liked.
I only know one person who has shown me good manga/anime. He showed me Hellsing and Berserk. ;)
Don't really think Hellsing is all that good, it seems to be just pointless gorefesting while that one guy goes "raaa I am count dracula! I mean alucard! My power level is over 9000, now behold as I unleash 10% OF IT! Raaar" Then again I have barely seen any of it so whatever.
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(And wtf is up with the glowing glasses, seriously)
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]Thanks for the post dgg!
It's awkward, because the first time I ever saw GitS was in a video rental (back when there were still videos!). I had no idea what it was, but the cover was a naked cyborg woman with enormous, globular breasts. I assumed it was some kind of fetish shit. It's hard to shake off first impressions, and it's hard to understand why someone would make something as artistically ambitious as GitS is purported to be and then fuck it up with creepy fetishistic nudity.
[/QUOTE]
The newer series, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, is incredibly mild when it comes to sexuality compared to the manga it was based on.
[QUOTE=BmB;22171107]Don't really think Hellsing is all that good, it seems to be just pointless gorefesting while that one guy goes "raaa I am count dracula! I mean alucard! My power level is over 9000, now behold as I unleash 10% OF IT! Raaar" Then again I have barely seen any of it so whatever.
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(And wtf is up with the glowing glasses, seriously)[/QUOTE]
Oh the irony.
o ye you guys should read gantz because it has mother fukin' t-rexs shooting fireballs out of their mouths
[img]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6925/009drt.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=BmB;22171107]Don't really think Hellsing is all that good, it seems to be just pointless gorefesting while that one guy goes "raaa I am count dracula! I mean alucard! My power level is over 9000, now behold as I unleash 10% OF IT! Raaar" Then again I have barely seen any of it so whatever.
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(And wtf is up with the glowing glasses, seriously)[/QUOTE]
There are a bunch of vampire movies of overpowered vampires so why not a vampire anime with an overpowered vampire? :geno:
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;22171174]o ye you guys should read gantz because it has mother fukin' t-rexs shooting fireballs out of their mouths
t-rex[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://cdn2.ioffer.com/img/item/255/597/47/DigimonPoster1.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE]Gantz[/QUOTE]
My favourite manga.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;22171140]Oh the irony.[/QUOTE]
How so?
[QUOTE=BmB;22171201]How so?[/QUOTE]
You're making ill informed criticisms of something you admit you don't know about.
In a thread about people blindly hating anime.
Most vampire movies I've seen portrayed vampires entirely reasonably, except van helsing which is basically the cgi fuckfest version of hellsing it seems.
[QUOTE=dgg;22170569]Nobody said that either. They'll only get shittier because they are horrible shows and always have been and always will be.
Saying you dislike mecha, Dragonballz, Sailor Moon, Bleach, Naruto and One Piece. Point out Lucky Star as bad anime. Point out Elfen Lied as mature anime, point out TMoSH as good anime and similar things is all just as mainstream as a kid saying vegetables tastes bad, or that candy tastes good.
Mentioning any of these shows really holds no value in an argument.
And believe me, I've mentioned them a lot myself. They're usually the basics you just lay out automatically on reflex just to have said them to avoid any missunderstandings there. That's how mainstream they are.[/QUOTE]
You're defending children's shows from a different country though, how am I suppose to take someone seriously when they flaunt these weird shows aimed at teenagers and kids as "superior in design and execution".
Do Japanese people like iCarly and drake and josh as much as you like this crap?
The writing in all the examples posted in the past two pages is childish, superficial, cheesy and awkward. An adult watching these shows to me would be strange and unfitting.
(HBO is where they keep all the good television.)
I know, vampire movies are so unrealistic.
Well then tell me why it is good then, I am open to that. The point is don't dislike animé because it is anime, dislike it because it is bad animé. Hellsing seems to fall in the bad category.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;22171275]I know, vampire movies are so unrealistic.[/QUOTE]
How weird :buddy:
[QUOTE=BmB;22171277]Well then tell me why it is good then, I am open to that. The point is don't dislike animé because it is anime, dislike it because it is bad animé. Hellsing seems to fall in the bad category.[/QUOTE]
Haven't seen it. Neither have you. That was my point.
I have seen some of it, that is what I'm making my judgements from. There's a basis for my dislike here.
It's just ironic, that's all.
I am sure that most people judge a whole anime from watching the first episode
then backing up their stupid arguments by "I've seen it myself :colbert:"
I don't like most of the anime out there, but there's a few of them I actually enjoy, such as Fullmetal Alchemist.
[QUOTE=Ldesu;22171391]I am sure that most people judge a whole anime from watching the first episode
then backing up their stupid arguments by "I've seen it myself :colbert:"[/QUOTE]
That's not unreasonable though, if you see a pilot of a show and it's a terrible pilot chances are it's a terrible show. On the other hand if it's really awesome it could go on to become a really popular show.
[QUOTE=BmB;22171443]That's not unreasonable though, if you see a pilot of a show and it's a terrible pilot chances are it's a terrible show. On the other hand if it's really awesome it could go on to become a really popular show.[/QUOTE]
The first episode of The melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya had pretty much nothing to do with the rest of the show
[QUOTE=Ldesu;22171497]The first episode of The melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya had pretty much nothing to do with the rest of the show[/QUOTE]
That doesn't mean you can't still judge the writing and art and whatnot
[QUOTE=TH89;22171551]That doesn't mean you can't still judge the writing and art and whatnot[/QUOTE]
How it's drawn doesn't tell if it's gonna be a good story or not.
[QUOTE=Ldesu;22171575]How it's drawn doesn't tell if it's gonna be a good story or not.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TH89;22171551]That doesn't mean you can't still judge [b]the writing[/b] and art and whatnot[/QUOTE]
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