It could be an 'off' episode.
Say for instance if I judged the whole of Red Dwarf based on one of the weaker episodes I happened to see.
The writing in that episode?
that's not much
[QUOTE=Drasnus;22171734]It could be an 'off' episode.
Say for instance if I judged the whole of Red Dwarf based on one of the weaker episodes I happened to see.[/QUOTE]
Pilots aren't "off" episodes.
[editline]01:53AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ldesu;22171764]The writing in that episode?
that's not much[/QUOTE]
It's plenty. If a writer is a good stylist, chances are they'll be adept at structuring long-term story arcs as well.
"off" episodes are called "fillers"
I wasn't talking about pilots.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;22171791]I wasn't talking about pilots.[/QUOTE]
We were though.
Of course you could always happen to misjudge a show based on some shitty episode, that can happen. No bid deal really, however it's unlikely the variance is at all big enough for that to happen. The base direction and style can still shine through in the shittiest of episodes.
Haruhi is a bit of a exception with "Pilots" there are two viewing orders for the show, the actual chronological order and the broadcast order, what you may of seen might not of actually been the "pilot".
The pilot of tokyo magnitude 8.0 was pretty slow and boring but without it the rest of the show wouldn't have had that great of an impact.
The ending was hella sad
Look I just brought up pilots as a general example of an episode you could judge a show from. It doesn't have to be a pilot. You don't have to start taking anything I mention as the absolute guide for what to discuss.
Diapers.
[QUOTE=Ldesu;22171497]The first episode of The melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya had pretty much nothing to do with the rest of the show[/QUOTE]
What about the other shows/animes?
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;22171174]o ye you guys should read gantz because it has mother fukin' t-rexs shooting fireballs out of their mouths
[IMG]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6925/009drt.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Fucking awesome.
Why can't you just admit that the writing is bad.
You bloody know it.
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;22169040]that was the cheesiest shit I've ever seen in my life[/QUOTE]
That's the point. It's parody.
[editline]10:26PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]
Sounds like fun! I do like that kind of stuff, as long as it's in relatively small doses.
[/QUOTE]
Gurren Lagann was some hot shit when it first came out. I've never had so many laughs while watching an anime.
I do believe this thread has been derailed and converted into a slower variant of Fast Anime.
[QUOTE=don818;22173760]I do believe this thread has been derailed and converted into a slower variant of Fast Anime.[/QUOTE]
I believe you are right :saddowns:
That's basically how fast anime started.
From a thread exactly like this one.
Why is this thread still around?
[QUOTE=0v3rkill2;22174830]Why is this thread still around?[/QUOTE]
People keep bumping it.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]Thanks for the post dgg![/QUOTE]
Just doing my job. Sir.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]So I guess we agree there.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, we do. Come to think over it I'm not sure if I've actually seen an anime with disproportionated bodies other than just making them smaller.
I guess the closest example would be Pani Poni Dash and Excel Saga. Excel Saga being pretty close to that of Western animation whilst still being anime.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]How so? They both have thin, smooth lines with no variation in width. I don't see any difference.[/QUOTE]
I think that's a bit shallow, but I do understand what you mean.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]One thing that Western animation is very good at is imbuing movement with personality. Even in just a walk cycle, there's a lot of potential for variation:
*Walk cycles goes here*
[img_thumb]http://www.khurak.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ed-edd-n-eddy-big-picture-show.jpg[/img_thumb]
I keep going back to EE&E, not because it's a particularly good cartoon, but because it's a rather extreme example of the fluidity that western cartoons are capable of. With the other end of the spectrum being occupied by stuff like the Simpsons, it looks to me like western animation is just way more stylistically diverse than anime.[/QUOTE]
Well that I can highly agree with. Anime does focus much on realism and has such a bad budget in most cases that the animation is sacrificed for quality. Which has always been the big difference between cartoons in the west and east.
And EE&E is genius.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]Their heads are nearly always shaped like this:
[img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3677532/animehead.jpg[/img_thumb]
There's nothing wrong with it as such, it's just an example of how visually formulaic it is.[/QUOTE]
That is a fact. But the headshapes tend to be more actually realistic if it's more serious (not the way Death Note is serious, but serious serious) and more deformed if it's a WTFBBQ show.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]Again, nothing wrong with it (although purple hair does look pretty stupid), it's an example of how anime artists tend to tread the beaten path. Western cartoonists tend to be somewhat more diverse in approach.
[img_thumb]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fj6qRozFE5M/Sr7lKBIC9iI/AAAAAAAAAb8/_-vkTtOVTwE/s320/lGTXfdq4Z1I26iW.jpg[/img_thumb]
Compare to EE&E.[/QUOTE]
Myees. A lot of anime follows a very similar style of drawing hair and often use the exact same hairstyles, which is annoying. But there are many exceptions. I'll find some examples later today when I get home. But there is no denying it that there are often a red thread going through all the looks. Much to do with poor and cheap character designs, whcih again is caused by bad budgets, not an excuse of course but an explanation.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]Anime seems to have some exceptions (like that one thing that Adult Swim dubbed over and then the guy who made it fell off a cliff or whatever) that do seem to come up with different ways to draw stuff. I just think there should be more.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I have no idea what show you're talking about.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]I still think the animation isn't that different, the reason for which I explained above, but I'll concede it otherwise doesn't look that similar. I guess I was premature in comparing them having only seen a few stills. Some of that is pretty beautiful.[/QUOTE]
I can understand it that they may move quite similar because htey are both supposed to be like humans. But the animation is very different (and obviously much smoother), I don't know if you noticed how they often deform their body parts in a very western caroonish way when in motion. Like making the hands small and very round with lack of anatomy and all forms of details.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]Not sure why you're assuming I know all the names of the characters. But for an example, the girl who runs in when the neon elephant is outside the window or whatever is fucking unbearable.[/QUOTE]
Just do. That's Haruhi. The boob lady is Mikuru and the silent grey hair is Nagato.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]Sounds like fun! I do like that kind of stuff, as long as it's in relatively small doses.[/QUOTE]
Pump some testosterones in those watching muscles of yours.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]It's awkward, because the first time I ever saw GitS was in a video rental (back when there were still videos!). I had no idea what it was, but the cover was a naked cyborg woman with enormous, globular breasts. I assumed it was some kind of fetish shit. It's hard to shake off first impressions, and it's hard to understand why someone would make something as artistically ambitious as GitS is purported to be and then fuck it up with creepy fetishistic nudity.[/QUOTE]
I think you're focusing too much on things being sexual to the extent that you make it much more sexual than it is intended to be. And there is no nudity, I've seen worse dressed women in your average western movie.
And the covers are designed to sell. And well, they are highly stuck in "sex sells" over there. But I assure you, it does not reflect any sexual focus in the show itself.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]Why "of course?" Maybe I don't hold Tarantino in as high regard as I'm supposed to.[/QUOTE]
Because Tarantino is a master in dialouge. I know I fucking loved all the talking in Inglorious Basterds and Pulp Fiction.
[QUOTE=TH89;22170855]Okay, but "for fanservice" doesn't seem like a good excuse at all. For one thing it makes it sound like the fans are sex-starved human pusbags who live in their parents' attic and who desperately fantasize about the characters in the show they're watching. The Iron Giant didn't need fanservice, so why should this?[/QUOTE]
You just hit the nail on the head. [u]The group that buys their stuff[/u] often gives in for sexual content and does live with their moms or live in an apartment and get money from their parents and do not have a job nor are they students.
But the highest sales still come from stuff that breaks those sexual norms. But the sexual norms does give stableish sales figures, thus most studios are afraid of trying something different and go away from fanservice, especially if they already are in a really bad economic state.
People hate anime because people have never watched Black Lagoon.
[QUOTE=BmB;22170769]Are you kidding? It makes a mockery of everything from literature to the shitty animé stereotypes to the very foundation of fiction itself all the while playing the tropes that make it popular straight enough to mock the people who like it for it.
It is philosophically interesting and inspiring all the while remaining largely ambiguous as to whether it is a work of genius or a completely unlikely coincidence of just the right amounts of idiocy. And it shows great narrative competence and great production values at the same time. Rarely have I encountered fiction that feels so relevant and makes me think so much. That is extraordinary to me. In fact I think the last thing that teased my mind so was a little unknown thing called Halo 3.
(It is of course entirely possible that I am simply reading waaaaayyyyy too deep into it, but eh, whatever)[/QUOTE]
It mocks it in a way that also makes it use it seriously to attract viewers. It's more of a "We need this shit, but we know it's shit. How do we use it whilst making it obvious that we know it is shit?"
Philosophically interesting and inspiring in what way? And you'll probably think a lot in the first 10-20 show you're watching, then you notice that they just beat the same dead horse story and philosophy in pretty much every show.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22177265]People hate anime because people have never watched Black Lagoon.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people dislike maids with giant guns and people that can cleave bullets in two with a sword.
It's a good show, but far from the best thing to recommend for firsties.
dgg why are you taking this thread seriously
[QUOTE=ashzu;22177536]dgg why are you taking this thread seriously[/QUOTE]
Arguing is fun? I like reading the arguments and sometimes joining is which is why I'm sticking around this thread.
[QUOTE=ashzu;22177536]dgg why are you taking this thread seriously[/QUOTE]
Post count and respect, I guess
[QUOTE=GunFox;22177265]People hate anime because people have never watched Black Lagoon.[/QUOTE]
More like Cowboy Bebop.
Hell of a weird expressions they make.
Anime are like episodes of Family Guy.
[QUOTE=Doughboy;22177817]Hell of a weird expressions they make.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/PmagnE.jpg[/img]
You know, right now my only wish is Facepunch neutrality towards anime. I wish I could post a anime-pic somewhere without being box'd to death, yet, not be voted polite/nice/friendly or anything like that. I wish you guys could judge anime pics just like you judge other pics. [sp]By it's contents and overall meaning[/sp]
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
