• VICE - HBO: Our Rising Oceans (we're fucked)
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[QUOTE=paul simon;49513447]I turn off my lights when i leave my room I don't have a car, but if I could choose one it would be a Tesla.[/QUOTE] Ghandi.
With great technological advancement comes a price that has to be paid. Our reign on this planet has to have an end.
[QUOTE=Sub-Zero;49515572]With great technological advancement comes a price that has to be paid. Our reign on this planet has to have an end.[/QUOTE] "Our reign on this planet" pfft. Humans or their descendants will remain so long as Earth can sustain mammalian life. Our civilizations may collapse, our technology may be lost, our homelands may be destroyed by disasters, but humans will always persevere in some hidden, peaceful corner of the Earth. Come famine and war, unless nukes or biological weapons get involved, there will always be survivors. [sp]I hope and pray nukes and biological weapons never get involved.[/sp]
I wish I could live to see all of this happen, as morbid as that sounds. I've seen the high times, I want to see the low too.
[QUOTE=LSK;49516271] I've seen the high times, I want to see the low too.[/QUOTE] You'd regret those words.
[QUOTE=LSK;49516271]I wish I could live to see all of this happen, as morbid as that sounds. I've seen the high times, I want to see the low too.[/QUOTE] You'll be seeing it from your padded cell with that attitude.
[QUOTE=LSK;49516271]I wish I could live to see all of this happen, as morbid as that sounds. I've seen the high times, I want to see the low too.[/QUOTE] "this is all your fault, grandpa"
when the mass migration happens, I'm going to build a boat, with a couple of animals.
It's obviously time to start working on Waterworld
[QUOTE=LSK;49516271]I wish I could live to see all of this happen, as morbid as that sounds. I've seen the high times, I want to see the low too.[/QUOTE] I don't want to go to college and work myself into a comfortable position in life just so i can fucking be in the next Children of Men movie
The way i see humans on earth, is like Bacteria growing on food, its foreign and doesn't belong, but consumes everything within its reach until nothing is left, and accelerated climate change is like Earths equivalent of a good blast of anti bacterial spray. Its depressing as fuck to think of but its the truth.
[QUOTE=Source;49518579]The way i see humans on earth, is like Bacteria growing on food, its foreign and doesn't belong, but consumes everything within its reach until nothing is left, and accelerated climate change is like Earths equivalent of a good blast of anti bacterial spray. Its depressing as fuck to think of but its the truth.[/QUOTE] It's rather to foolish to think of humanity as something outside the natural order, I think. Nature shaped us to be what we are today. Any other species, given the same capabilities and intelligence, would probably show a similar drive to change their environment to suit their needs.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49513631]To improve this situation we have to change everything in our society, and that includes changes on the individual level. So don't act like you don't have any responsibility.[/QUOTE] That's a nice thing to say, but you will not be able to rally up enough people to make any meaningful changes while the general public still has not felt the brunt of climate change. The absolute best you can do is make a plan for yourself or with your loved ones for when the shit goes down, because nobody will start doing anything until it's too late. We're all going to continue browsing the internet, watching movies, what have you until the water is on our floors.
[QUOTE=Géza!;49518623]It's rather to foolish to think of humanity as something outside the natural order, I think. Nature shaped us to be what we are today. Any other species, given the same capabilities and intelligence, would probably show a similar drive to change their environment to suit their needs.[/QUOTE] The only issue I have with this is that it makes some assumptions about possible alien intelligence that I don't think we can answer because all of our thinking is just bound to be human centric and based on human interpretations and ideas inevitably, even our computer design, to an alien race, would be human centric. It's questionable to state that we might think like an alien race, we don't actually know what's possible. I would say that the most likely option when dealing with totally alien life, is to assume it's alien entirely, and that we aren't going to inherently be able to relate, or understand it. So I think they may actually have had a totally different thought process that is different when it comes to "how to best utilize a planet". Though, I suppose, based on the very nature of a race becoming space faring, they would had to have achieved dominance on their own world in terms of resources just because that's a seemingly physical limitation of the universe so they would have had to have done something to make the planet give them what they needed to become space faring so that's a very likely possibility as well. sorry if it seems like I'm arguing with you, I'm mostly thinking aloud.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49518804]The only issue I have with this is that it makes some assumptions about possible alien intelligence that I don't think we can answer because all of our thinking is just bound to be human centric and based on human interpretations and ideas inevitably, even our computer design, to an alien race, would be human centric. It's questionable to state that we might think like an alien race, we don't actually know what's possible. I would say that the most likely option when dealing with totally alien life, is to assume it's alien entirely, and that we aren't going to inherently be able to relate, or understand it. So I think they may actually have had a totally different thought process that is different when it comes to "how to best utilize a planet". Though, I suppose, based on the very nature of a race becoming space faring, they would had to have achieved dominance on their own world in terms of resources just because that's a seemingly physical limitation of the universe so they would have had to have done something to make the planet give them what they needed to become space faring so that's a very likely possibility as well. sorry if it seems like I'm arguing with you, I'm mostly thinking aloud.[/QUOTE] I didn't even think in terms of aliens, but rather other terrestrial lifeforms. All animals on Earth, at their basis, what we can classify as "selfish", at least on a spcies-wide scale. As such, given a human intelligence, we can postulate that they'd show a similar disregard for their natural environment in favour of their own well-being. Hell even the human cultures that are "close to/attuned to nature" or the like will gladly "destroy nature" e.g. hunt animals to extinction or set forests on fire if it helps their own survival. Often cultures that live the most at nature's whim are the ones who have an outright contempt for it.
[QUOTE=27X;49513588]And how many of those millions of years did we spend chasing those things [i]underwater[/i]? The onus is that is A: the most looming problem out of several and B: said problems are converging. The human race is going to have to significantly shift how it operates on both a cultural and logistical level to survive the next couple of centuries, the odds of that shift occurring in time are small. The only thing we know for certain is our level of technology is completely insufficient to deal with consequences of human industrialization, and it will not become sufficient in time to reverse or ameliorate several of the looming issues (deforestation, irreparable ocean food chain depletion, global warming, overpopulation) The idea that 12.6 billion people can survive the turn of the century using today's logistical methods is patently absurd.[/QUOTE] Ya ever play pandemic, that little game about trying to kill everyone with disease? The scientists once they discover the problem they slowly begin working on a cure. Then as it worsens and worsens or as they learn more about it, whichever happens first, they research a cure or a solution. I genuinely believe humanity is like that and if we have to ever face such a problem or seemingly insurmountable task, we will survive.
[QUOTE=Source;49518579]The way i see humans on earth, is like Bacteria growing on food, its foreign and doesn't belong, but consumes everything within its reach until nothing is left, and accelerated climate change is like Earths equivalent of a good blast of anti bacterial spray. Its depressing as fuck to think of but its the truth.[/QUOTE] ... arrogant and stupid belief that a lot of people actually believe in. "foreign and doesn't belong," yeah ok [editline]d[/editline] cop out too
We can, and will adapt. [editline]13th January 2016[/editline] It's a test of strength in many different areas.
I'm not some global warming denier. But I don't trust anything that comes from vice and won't bother watching this. I'd rather wait until a more reliable source did a similar piece. This guy has an interesting series of articles that showcases how monumentally fucked up the company is from top to bottom: [url]https://medium.com/thoughts-on-media/vice-media-kit-warning-for-advertisers-25ad0600f61d#.a20zyuup1[/url]
I honestly think it's going to happen. Full-stop. We're done, we can't fix it. It isn't the apocalypse, but the massive amounts of migration are going to be just staggering. If you live in a coastal city, you're going to have to move inland. And R.I.P. The Netherlands.
Underwater arcologies here we come.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;49519863]I honestly think it's going to happen. Full-stop. We're done, we can't fix it. It isn't the apocalypse, but the massive amounts of migration are going to be just staggering. If you live in a coastal city, you're going to have to move inland. And R.I.P. The Netherlands.[/QUOTE] Eh we will be fine we just need to recruit more people to stick their fingers in the dikes.
[QUOTE=Murky42;49519844]I'm not some global warming denier. But I don't trust anything that comes from vice and won't bother watching this. I'd rather wait until a more reliable source did a similar piece. This guy has an interesting series of articles that showcases how monumentally fucked up the company is from top to bottom: [url]https://medium.com/thoughts-on-media/vice-media-kit-warning-for-advertisers-25ad0600f61d#.a20zyuup1[/url][/QUOTE] From my experience, VICE does some pretty good and interesting videos, but their written articles are complete garbage. It's almost hard to believe it's the same company. I haven't watched any of them since like 2014 though, so I don't know if their videos have become shit like their articles have.
[QUOTE=Murky42;49519844]I'm not some global warming denier. But I don't trust anything that comes from vice and won't bother watching this. I'd rather wait until a more reliable source did a similar piece. This guy has an interesting series of articles that showcases how monumentally fucked up the company is from top to bottom: [URL]https://medium.com/thoughts-on-media/vice-media-kit-warning-for-advertisers-25ad0600f61d#.a20zyuup1[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't really disagree you with that VICE is most likely a shady company, I don't really watch them anymore, last thing I watched from them were the Ukraine Dispatchs in 2014 so I don't really know how they've been the past year. But I thought this one important enough to garner a look at and they do talk to actual NASA scientist who have been researching into this for quite a while now, they even fly over Antarctica with NASA and gather data on how the glaciers are melting and how that will affect global sea levels. Please at least try and give it a view, just ignore Shane and focus on the people he talks to.
live it up. We'll be fine but the next gen won't.
[QUOTE=Killer900;49520104]I don't really disagree you with that VICE is most likely a shady company, I don't really watch them anymore, last thing I watched from them were the Ukraine Dispatchs in 2014 so I don't really know how they've been the past year. But I thought this one important enough to garner a look at and they do talk to actual NASA scientist who have been researching into this for quite a while now, they even fly over Antarctica with NASA and gather data on how the glaciers are melting and how that will affect global sea levels. Please at least try and give it a view, just ignore Shane and focus on the people he talks to.[/QUOTE] I''ll consider it but I have heard of fishy dealings even in their documentaries. With VICE everything you see and hear needs to be doubted very carefully because when you are watching a documentary it is very easy to manipulate the truth and if you blink you can miss a very important deception.
[img]http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/32c1397994b3c3cead347965dd0ffdfc/202384776/17_Hopper.jpg[/img] The future is gonna kick [B][I]ass[/I][/B].
good thing i have these jars of dirt
[QUOTE=MadPro119;49519715]Ya ever play pandemic, that little game about trying to kill everyone with disease? The scientists once they discover the problem they slowly begin working on a cure. Then as it worsens and worsens or as they learn more about it, whichever happens first, they research a cure or a solution. I genuinely believe humanity is like that and if we have to ever face such a problem or seemingly insurmountable task, we will survive.[/QUOTE] Frigid tale thine bretheren, this has already been set in motion [B]60 years ago[/B] and Hilary Swank and Brad Pitt are actors. There is no magic logistical fix that we just have to brainstrom to get to. [I]There will not be enough arable land to sustain current levels of human society as we know it[/I], not the food, not the roads, not the current mindset of civilized society. There is no ` key + dev code for this, and it's already done, now we ride out the consequences.
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