• VICE - HBO: Our Rising Oceans (we're fucked)
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As someone from the Netherlands living 7 meters below sea level: :dead:
I don't care, let me live cool and die so these problems become the next generations.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49520501]The world isn't going to end, and neither will human civilization. This is just a massive obstacle that will lead to a lot people dying. Kinda like the black death.[/QUOTE] I don't think [I]that[/I] many people will die. The oceans will rise a lot and we'll have a lot more hurricanes and shit, but it won't be black death levels at all.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49520093]From my experience, VICE does some pretty good and interesting videos, but their written articles are complete garbage. It's almost hard to believe it's the same company. I haven't watched any of them since like 2014 though, so I don't know if their videos have become shit like their articles have.[/QUOTE] anything by simon ostrovsky and a few other dudes = good everything else = almost always shit
Global warming is pretty shit, but it won't lead to the collapse of civilization. It'll certainly speed it up, but we have a few good centuries left before it finally does come to pieces (at which point the Ross Ice Sheet will be breaking up). [QUOTE=Source;49518579]The way i see humans on earth, is like Bacteria growing on food, its foreign and doesn't belong[/QUOTE] how are humans foreign to earth exactly? we evolved here lol
I have 3 answers for this: Make artificial lands in the sky like in the Jetsons. or Males start having sex with dolphins. or even more realistic Fuck cars,trains and everything else build boats LOTS OF BOATS that can house at least 4 persons.
[QUOTE=gdfsgdfg;49523471]I have 3 answers for this: Make artificial lands in the sky like in the Jetsons. or Males start having sex with dolphins. or even more realistic Fuck cars,trains and everything else build boats LOTS OF BOATS that can house at least 4 persons.[/QUOTE] What about food don't forget that global warming will cause a lot of farmland to dry up
I feel like way too many of you underestimate how much damage it really will do to the human population in your life time, or how much you personally will be effected by this. Once food gets scarce, you'll all change your tune. And food [B]will[/B] get scarce.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49523554]I feel like way too many of you underestimate how much damage it really will do to the human population in your life time, or how much you personally will be effected by this. Once food gets scarce, you'll all change your tune. And food [B]will[/B] get scarce.[/QUOTE] people in non-western nations will starve first, along with the poor. most of the middle class people on facepunch won't starve (or they will die before they do), so it doesn't really matter
I think it matters just weird how underplayed so many of you make this seem.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49523763]I think it matters just weird how underplayed so many of you make this seem.[/QUOTE] that's because most people here will be dead before it gets really bad as for our children, they'll probably be very upset about it
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49523794]that's because most people here will be dead before it gets really bad as for our children, they'll probably be very upset about it[/QUOTE] I'm very sure based on what climatologists and glacialogists say that it will affect my life and your life.
If there is no way for us to stop it anymore then i am also sure people will be working on ideas to adjust the current lands and waters for the high tide. Kinda what we did in the netherlands, Delta Plan.
I flush twice sometimes and I keep the lights on all day even when I'm away, also a throw card board out in the wrong bins am I a terrible human being?
I vote we build Mother Base. Seriously, though, I think our future cities are going to start looking a lot more like Kamino and a lot less like New York. Realistically speaking, the first world has the technology and engineering ability to offset most of the effects of climate change, both in the short term and indefinitely. This is really going to hurt poorer nations, or regions with less infrastructure, like the Middle East and Africa. They'll get worse, strangled by the increasing lack of fertile land and political pressures by corrupt regimes. Terrorism will get worse. We'll have more mass-migrations. International politics will get hotter. The same will happen in central and South America. The US and Canada should be able to hunker down and survive, although in states of reduced output and affluence. Our own poor will starve and be forgotten, pay inequality will increase, and we won't have the food or commodity supplies we do now. In response, governments will get tighter and more invasive, and freedoms will be restricted. Eventually, barring some extreme disaster of sudden apocalyptic proportions, we'll develop technologies to restore some of the lost standards of life we enjoy now. We'll figure out the food thing, we'll build cities in the sea, we'll create self sustaining habitable environments. We have that technology now, and it will only improve. Humanity as a whole will endure. We always have, and we're more capable now. But society will be much worse. It's not a total doomsday scenario, but it's not all smiles and roses either. It's going to be hard, and sad, and brutal, and it will strip us of our humanity, but we will endure.
[QUOTE=Source;49518579]The way i see humans on earth, is like Bacteria growing on food, its foreign and doesn't belong, but consumes everything within its reach until nothing is left, and accelerated climate change is like Earths equivalent of a good blast of anti bacterial spray.[/QUOTE] This really doesn't make sense. We're not foreign, we evolved here. Humans weren't planted by extraterrestrial forces for a giggle. We "belong" here at least as much as anything ever belonged anywhere, because this planet and its place in the solar system completely shaped almost every aspect of our existence. Second off, Earth does not and cannot care. It may validate your beliefs to personify nature, but to think that Earth has any opinions on life is like believing a rock has feelings for moss or that the value of an antique Rolls-Royce matters to a shredded piece of paper. Furthermore, the climate being shifted so much, so quickly, and with such devastating consequences is entirely our fault. If you knap a hunk of obsidian and accidentally cut yourself on it, nobody would call it the obsidian's equivalent of revenge.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49523803]I'm very sure based on what climatologists and glacialogists say that it will affect my life and your life.[/QUOTE] It's pretty fucking crazy, maddening really, that we're all just so fine with it. The Golden Globes just happened, people are going to school right now to become film directors, actors, whatever. And that's not a slur on art majors, it's just that this is gonna hit us like a fucking truck we're so unprepared.
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;49525465]It's pretty fucking crazy, maddening really, that we're all just so fine with it. The Golden Globes just happened, people are going to school right now to become film directors, actors, whatever. And that's not a slur on art majors, it's just that this is gonna hit us like a fucking truck we're so unprepared.[/QUOTE] It's not going to hit us like a truck, because it's not something that happens all at once. We won't wake up one day and the ice caps are totally gone, when they were there the day before. It's gradual and slow. What we will see is a slow increase in more severe weather patterns, more massive storms, more hurricanes, and more coastal erosion. And we'll gradually see farmers lose their growing conditions, and fishing zones gradually becoming emptier, and a gradual decline in biodiversity. So while you may see higher prices at the pump, or higher prices in the grocer's, or less of a fresh seafood selection in your local restaurants, that's about the extent of the short-term damage. It's colossal if you're in those industries, but this won't noticeably affect most middle-class first-world citizens for at least a century. Businesses will crumble or adapt, economies will shift, governments will rise or fall, but climate change doesn't present an immediate apocalypse. It at least gives us time to find workarounds.
^The truck is the massive migrations from folks who are below sea level. The truck is the loss of farmland and the dying population of sea critters.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49525732]It's not going to hit us like a truck, because it's not something that happens all at once. We won't wake up one day and the ice caps are totally gone, when they were there the day before. It's gradual and slow. What we will see is a slow increase in more severe weather patterns, more massive storms, more hurricanes, and more coastal erosion. And we'll gradually see farmers lose their growing conditions, and fishing zones gradually becoming emptier, and a gradual decline in biodiversity. So while you may see higher prices at the pump, or higher prices in the grocer's, or less of a fresh seafood selection in your local restaurants, that's about the extent of the short-term damage. It's colossal if you're in those industries, but this won't noticeably affect most middle-class first-world citizens for at least a century.[/QUOTE] I truly 100% do not believe it won't affect us this century. I think that's totally false based on sea level rises alone. You all realize that most of the US beef comes from Florida right? How do you think that industry will stand with the loss of land? Fishing is already way over-extended and we'll see those numbers plummet when the ocean acidity changes enough(Which it's right on the cusp of doing). No, these changes won't be fast, but to pretend they'll be so slow we'll all be dead is just, in my honest opinion, short sighted and wrong. All the changes across all the different fields of the planet we've affected will coalesce into a much worse set of effects. Cities like NYC will see regular storms like Sandy. We're not even remotely prepared for that going forward, not city wide, not nation wide, no ones really preparing for these sort of regular occurrences in extreme weather becoming more regular. I guess what gets me as anxious as I get about this is the fact there's nothing we can do to change the course we're on already. We're set. This is where we're going. No matter how much I prepare, it won't be enough. No matter how much I do for myself, it's not going to be enough because this isn't an individual issue. This is a government problem. This is a logistics problem. This is a very, very big problem that requires coordination over many, many different areas of expertise and we should be planning a lot more, and doing a lot more, than we already are. But we're not, because we all think "no, it'll be our kids who have to deal with it". No, I'm pretty sure it'll be the middle aged and 40 year old versions of ourselves that start seeing the problems majorly first hand, and they'll only get much, much worse, as we age.
This is getting to the point that: 1. We cannot reverse it, We can only Slow it down tremendously. 2. Half of the poor WILL starve by 2075. 3. I'm honestly thinking to survive with this standard of living we WILL have to go into space... but that will only happen near 2050ish. 4. We will see Some changes within Our lifetimes 5. The Oil Industry will collapse on itself.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;49525864]3. I'm honestly thinking to survive with this standard of living we WILL have to go into space... but that will only happen near 2050ish.[/QUOTE]go into space and... then what? also stop it with the random capitals pls
Welp, thank you people who absolutely refuse to do anything on climate change because of ignorance and that sweet sweet lobbyist cash. [QUOTE=Joazzz;49526028]go into space and... then what? also stop it with the random capitals pls[/QUOTE] We could try and terraform mars to attempt to make it habitable, and if that doesn't work, there are always generation ships that'll just drift across space at super high speed until we pick up a habitable planet.
[QUOTE=Toro;49526570]Welp, thank you people who absolutely refuse to do anything on climate change because of ignorance and that sweet sweet lobbyist cash. We could try and terraform mars to attempt to make it habitable, and if that doesn't work, there are always generation ships that'll just drift across space at super high speed until we pick up a habitable planet.[/QUOTE] If we had the technology to terraform Mars, fixing Earth would be a cakewalk. Likewise for a ship that would have to be self-sustaining for hundreds or thousands of years.
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49520261][img]http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/32c1397994b3c3cead347965dd0ffdfc/202384776/17_Hopper.jpg[/img] The future is gonna kick [B][I]ass[/I][/B].[/QUOTE] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVwWTBOVAAEawxW.jpg[/img] The key is to make it.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;49526656]If we had the technology to terraform Mars, fixing Earth would be a cakewalk. Likewise for a ship that would have to be self-sustaining for hundreds or thousands of years.[/QUOTE] What we are also going to see is a increase in research in ways to mitigate or slowing the damage down for the next half century. The Big Oil Companies will lose their grip soon.
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