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the spiciest thing about this is all you nerds acting like he's a hackfraud because he dissed bb8's locomotive prowess
[QUOTE=dai;52215909]the spiciest thing about this is all you nerds acting like he's a hackfraud because he dissed bb8's locomotive prowess[/QUOTE] i mostly consider his worst sins to be when he blatantly makes shit up (like his notorious stories about jury duty) and then has the testicles to publicly promote himself as being above that sort of thing
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52215871]I don't think anyone actually thinks popular science is inherently bad. Just that often it can be dangerously oversimplified and misleading, and that's where the bad reputation comes from.[/QUOTE] i don't see any specific instances of that though. all you hear from those who have a bone to pick with nye or tyson is "wow this guy's a dick" with no follow up other than saying bill didn't sign some autographs. that or they just don't like the attitude of "hey my shit's actually based on reality," in which case hoo boy that's a whole world of personal problems. that said there are real problems with reporting on science but when has tyson himself ever said something so misleading that so many are up in arms? [editline]11th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;52215879]They're free to talk about it and I'm free to judge them.[/QUOTE] bless your heart
At least we still have Brian Cox
Did you know that there's more atoms in this buffalo sauce than there are stars in the universe?
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52215931]i don't see any specific instances of that though. all you hear from those who have a bone to pick with nye or tyson is "wow this guy's a dick" with no follow up other than saying bill didn't sign some autographs. that or they just don't like the attitude of "hey my shit's actually based on reality," in which case hoo boy that's a whole world of personal problems. that said there are real problems with reporting on science but when has tyson himself ever said something so misleading that so many are up in arms?[/QUOTE] [url]http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/16/another-day-another-quote-fabricated-by-neil-degrasse-tyson/[/url] yes he makes shit up for a living
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52215952][url]http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/16/another-day-another-quote-fabricated-by-neil-degrasse-tyson/[/url] yes he makes shit up for a living[/QUOTE] if only we were all so lucky to be famous enough that random conservatives with nothing real to say nitpick our benign statements
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52215988]if only we were all so lucky to be famous enough that random conservatives with nothing real to say nitpick our benign statements[/QUOTE] did you even read the article this isn't simply a case of "benign statements" he literally invented quotes out of thin air and attributed them to people who didn't make them in order to advance his points. these are the kinds of mistakes that (in the past) would have gotten a journalist fired and disgraced from the trade
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;52215147]I don't care what anyone says, I fucking love this guy.[/QUOTE] I Fucking Love Science
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52216046]did you even read the article this isn't simply a case of "benign statements" he literally invented quotes out of thin air and attributed them to people who didn't make them in order to advance his points. these are the kinds of mistakes that (in the past) would have gotten a journalist fired and disgraced from the trade[/QUOTE] yeah i did it was one, easily mistakenly remembered, quote from dubya and then "a newspaper" and "a congress member". with the bush quote all he did was mess up [I]when[/I] it was said and not know the bible by heart. i'm appalled. the latter two articles was a bunch of assertions that he made up two simple quotes with only a few internet searches to back that up. so 2 long articles repeating "i can't prove a negative but boy am i gonna make my assertions anyways" and entirely missing the purpose of those statements while droning on about means and medians. thank god with near 9/11 bohemian grove chemtrail grassy knoll truthers like tyson out there in the public sphere we have bastions of journalism like sean davis
I don't get the hate for Tyson at all? He's a cool guy who does cool shit, I like his character and I think he does a really good job blending science and entertainment. What happened that made ppl seem so meh toward him? He is no Carl Sagan but I likeand respect him the same way I do a lot of great comedians.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52215710]science at the moment is in a major problem due to things like the replication crisis. we have more and more papers churned out every year, and yet our ability to scrutinise them and verify their findings is getting worse. having public idiots come out to batter people over the head and to shout at them "you're ignorant, science has the answer" when science itself is often incapable of answering those questions is not going to help things. they're little better (if not worse) than pundits on fox news and senators who claim that snowing in florida refutes global warming uh loads of philosophers of science have questioned science for a long time. doing so isn't irrational (following science blindly is irrational however) it's not to do with the media - it's intrinsic to science /itself/ we have a decreasing ability to actually replicate the findings of papers, and yet the results of these papers are being treated as fact regardless [B]most published research findings are false[/B] [URL]http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124[/URL] this was 12 years ago, it's gotten worse since[/QUOTE] Some day you'll figure out wikipedia articles have to be written before they actually exist, and the fact you tried to use it as a concrete source without vetting it for forever while haranguing a guy for misquotation is kind of amazing, and not in a complimentary way.
[QUOTE=27X;52216625]Some day you'll figure out wikipedia articles have to be written before they actually exist, and the fact you tried to use it as a concrete source without vetting it for forever while haranguing a guy for misquotation is kind of amazing, and not in a complimentary way.[/QUOTE] you know there's a wikipedia article on this right [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis[/url]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52217569]you know there's a wikipedia article on this right [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis[/url][/QUOTE] that is a surprisingly sparse wikipedia article for an issue you claim is so endemic as to basically invalidate any modern research results do you have any further reading that substantiates your claims apart from the fields of medicine and psychology (both of which are notorious for replication problems for both the fallibility of the researchers and inherent problems with replication in those fields)? i'm not disagreeing that there are a lot of problems with 'science' and research practices in the modern day but to say that it causes a mistrust of science because many extremely in-depth and specific studies which are mostly meaningless and used to generate grant money can't be replicated is a little extremist in my opinion. the increasing banality and nihilism of academic research institutions is a much larger issue, imo. i'd be interested in seeing OvB chime in on this discussion
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52216549]I don't get the hate for Tyson at all? He's a cool guy who does cool shit, I like his character and I think he does a really good job blending science and entertainment. What happened that made ppl seem so meh toward him? He is no Carl Sagan but I likeand respect him the same way I do a lot of great comedians.[/QUOTE] People get upset when he has a bit of fun and picks apart bad science in movies. Like if you get upset at that, you are the one with a stick in your ass.
[QUOTE=Zombii;52217638]that is a surprisingly sparse wikipedia article for an issue you claim is so endemic as to basically invalidate any modern research results do you have any further reading that substantiates your claims apart from the fields of medicine and psychology (both of which are notorious for replication problems for both the fallibility of the researchers and inherent problems with replication in those fields)? i'm not disagreeing that there are a lot of problems with 'science' and research practices in the modern day but to say that it causes a mistrust of science because many extremely in-depth and specific studies which are mostly meaningless and used to generate grant money can't be replicated is a little extremist in my opinion. the increasing banality and nihilism of academic research institutions is a much larger issue, imo. i'd be interested in seeing OvB chime in on this discussion[/QUOTE] [url]http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0005738[/url] well there's this, which pretty much says that scientists as a whole are increasingly guilty of this. medicine and psychology are particularly bad, but as time goes on a lot of scientific research is slowly going this way (physics and other particularly hard sciences are more immune, but not invulnerable). the problem is more that a lot of scientists don't seek to falsify things but rather gather evidence to support a point plus the implication we've generally observed is that the true scale of the problem is considerable underreported could be magnitudes worse than we realise and it only naturally follows that people will distrust scientists because medicine is incredibly important and relevant to many people. if it follows that most medicines don't work or can be verified as working (despite reams of "evidence" to support it), then ordinary people will assume that science as a whole is failing instead of just medicine. the same scientific journals that publish results from say chemistry or physics may often also republish work from medical studies. even quite highly reputable ones have been guilty of publishing patent bullshit (the lancet for instance)
i can't remember exactly who it was, but this reminds me of another situation where a bunch of negative literal memes got spread around about some dude and then the next time his name popped up outside of lmao pics everyone on here decided he was the world record holder for largest douche a few dumb twitter comments and snide, corny jokes about movie physics isn't "reputation literally shattered" make if you ask me
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;52218067]i can't remember exactly who it was, but this reminds me of another situation where a bunch of negative literal memes got spread around about some dude and then the next time his name popped up outside of lmao pics everyone on here decided he was the world record holder for largest douche a few dumb twitter comments and snide, corny jokes about movie physics isn't "reputation literally shattered" make if you ask me[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/64QTpdB.png[/img]
what im gathering from this hate is "NDG is now widely seen as to appeal to pseudo-intellectuals, im an actual intellectual therefore i now hate him"
If you don't like him don't watch the video, do people expect him to change who he is to appease some randoms on the internet? seems like people are making themselves miserable by caring so much about things they claim to dislike
I started to dislike Tyson when the first episode of the new cosmos documentary was about how religion is bad and religious people are bad. I just wanted to watch a space documentary, not a commentary on religion.
lol. NDT is an entertainer. He makes science entertaining. That is all. If you are butt hurt about this, then you can't be helped.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;52217645]People get upset when he has a bit of fun and picks apart bad science in movies. Like if you get upset at that, you are the one with a stick in your ass.[/QUOTE] The motherfucker complained about the star positioning in Titanic [editline]12th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;52219186]It really is holding us back when it comes to politics, though.[/QUOTE] So why should it be mentioned in a space documentary?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;52218957]I started to dislike Tyson when the first episode of the new cosmos documentary was about how religion is bad and religious people are bad. I just wanted to watch a space documentary, not a commentary on religion.[/QUOTE] he didnt say that religious people are bad religion [I]is[/I] bad though
[QUOTE=DuCT;52219502]The motherfucker complained about the star positioning in Titanic [editline]12th May 2017[/editline] So why should it be mentioned in a space documentary?[/QUOTE] What I said still stands. And we are part of the Cosmos you know.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;52218957]I started to dislike Tyson when the first episode of the new cosmos documentary was about how religion is bad and religious people are bad. I just wanted to watch a space documentary, not a commentary on religion.[/QUOTE] Cosmos has never been just a "space documentary" tho. [editline]12th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DuCT;52219502]So why should it be mentioned in a space documentary?[/QUOTE] Cause it's not a space documentary? It's about the history of science, science itself and how it's the basis for our entire understanding of the universe around us and ourselves and our place in it. Religion is a very relevant topic.
If you want cold hard science go read a research paper. Tyson is doing what he's doing because he wants to get young people interested in space&science
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52215679]Two dipshits decided to get pretentious and political. This does not mean the entirety of science as a concept became unreliable. [/QUOTE] what when did Bill and Neil de Grasse get political [editline]12th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;52216549]I don't get the hate for Tyson at all? He's a cool guy who does cool shit, I like his character and I think he does a really good job blending science and entertainment. What happened that made ppl seem so meh toward him? He is no Carl Sagan but I likeand respect him the same way I do a lot of great comedians.[/QUOTE] My dad worked with him back when he was at NASA, had nothing but nice things to say of him.
[QUOTE=REMBER;52218188]"how easy it is to pull yourself out of poverty"[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/survivorship_bias.png[/IMG]
i've watched a bunch of ndt lectures i find him to be a really inspiring man.
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