Sharia law and you: Is it bad? - General

[QUOTE=Pantz76;36690773]I think Sharia law should be allowed as long as it isn't mandatory.[/QUOTE] The aim of Sharia is to spread with force and kill people who try to stop their law. The roots are "mandatory".

[QUOTE=sonerin;36690876]The aim of Sharia is to spread with force and kill people who try to stop their law. The roots are "mandatory".[/QUOTE] Are you done yet?

[QUOTE=sonerin;36630554]The aim of Sharia is to spread and fight non-believers untill they convert into Islam. There's no way of studying this in a private context, this isn't Sharia. You're supposed to fight non-believers untill they become Muslims, Islam forces itself on everyone. You guys should get over the fact that Islam is nothing like a peaceful friendship religion. It's a hate cult.[/QUOTE] Good thing not all muslims agree on sharia like some sort of hive mind huh

[QUOTE=Lambeth;36714029]Good thing not all muslims agree on sharia like some sort of hive mind huh[/QUOTE] That's because most Muslims do not even know what Islam is. 85% of Muslims didn't read Quran in their lives. It's like calling yourself a mechanical engineer before studying mechanical engineery. Most Muslims call themselves Muslims but they don't know their religion/didn't read Quran. Most Muslim to Atheist converts have read Quran before converting into Atheism. That probably explains why Muslims who don't read Quran remain Muslim. Majority of the Muslims don't know about Islam's violent face, that is the reason.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36719260]That's because most Muslims do not even know what Islam is. 85% of Muslims didn't read Quran in their lives. It's like calling yourself a mechanical engineer before studying mechanical engineery. Most Muslims call themselves Muslims but they don't know their religion/didn't read Quran. Most Muslim to Atheist converts have read Quran before converting into Atheism. That probably explains why Muslims who don't read Quran remain Muslim. Majority of the Muslims don't know about Islam's violent face, that is the reason.[/QUOTE] Majority of Muslims know what context mean, the naive who dont, fall into atheism. I dont even know where your getting those statistics from. [B]If you knew little about Islam, you'd know that they recite the whole QURAN atleast once every year in their mosques(during the fasting month).[/B] If they dont pray, they get to listen to it.[B] Five times a day they are forced to listen to the Quran in one form or another (prayers are full volume in loudspeakers).[/B] Your attempt to prove "oh they dunno their books" is failing miserably. It can apply to non-Arab nations, but for the Arab nations, they are reciting the book in their own language -_- All the Muslims I know here, said the same thing about context, heck their scholars said the same. But you insist on spreading your narrow vision and hate mongering.

I think what sonerin is trying to talk about is the second part of the Quran. If I remember correctly there's two part to the Quran, first part which includes many very peaceful texts (made when Islam was forming to gather more followers), and the second part, which became dark and strict and overrules the old text (When they had many followers). Sharia law would only be based off of the new text of course. I'm just wondering if this is correct because if it is then why let Sharia law do anything for anybody if its justice is only in the mind of the Quran.

[QUOTE=C47;36719950]Majority of Muslims know what context mean, the naive who dont, fall into atheism. I dont even know where your getting those statistics from. [B]If you knew little about Islam, you'd know that they recite the whole QURAN atleast once every year in their mosques(during the fasting month).[/B] If they dont pray, they get to listen to it.[B] Five times a day they are forced to listen to the Quran in one form or another (prayers are full volume in loudspeakers).[/B] Your attempt to prove "oh they dunno their books" is failing miserably. It can apply to non-Arab nations, but for the Arab nations, they are reciting the book in their own language -_- All the Muslims I know here, said the same thing about context, heck their scholars said the same. But you insist on spreading your narrow vision and hate mongering.[/QUOTE] Stop fooling yourself, you know that is not true.

where did you pull that 85% statistic from

[QUOTE=Lambeth;36722644]where did you pull that 85% statistic from[/QUOTE] Studies and personal experience.

personal experience doesn't count and cite these studies [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] I could say 90% of jews practice donkey fucking and cite personal experience. Would you take me seriously?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;36722969]personal experience doesn't count and cite these studies [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] I could say 90% of jews practice donkey fucking and cite personal experience. Would you take me seriously?[/QUOTE] It counts in my book, like it or not. This is a debating section after all.

[QUOTE=C47;36685841] It's consistent if you know the right sources to look at. The Quran isnt like the bible in any way. Each passage has a story behind and not to be taken literally. If you take sonerin's unacademic stance on things and compare 3 words out of context against 3 other words from the Quran, your bound to find contradictions. Islam is facing the same bullshit that Jews have suffered from. I had come across so many references from the Talmud (and that Protocols of the bla bla Zion) and so on referring to the "kill all non-jews" ideas. But came across another Judaic site which explained the context of that reference, and then suddenly it wasnt so evil after all.[/QUOTE] So then the Qu'ran is not the book where Islam derives its morality? It is not an inspired work by god? [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] And, by the way, the bible is the same way. People say that there is context and cultural importance in passages of the bible, so you don't have to interpret it or listen to it. However, other groups say that you need to read them and follow them. Take the book of Leviticus for example, which is where christians derive their anti-gay stance. Some say that it needs to be read as a cultural artifact, that these were rules god ordained previously, but no longer. Others say that it is still valid and must be followed. That's a major problem because you have varying interpretations that aren't consistent with each other. That makes it hard to apply "christian morality" to anything because christian morality is either tolerance and forgiving or hateful and persecuting. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] And again, I cite an example in Islam, where scholars aren't in agreement on whether women are equal to men. The Qu'ran says that women are supposed to enjoy the rights of man, but it also says a woman's testimony is worth half a man's. Some people say women are equal, but others use verses to justify that women are only worth half a man.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36725566]It counts in my book, like it or not. This is a debating section after all.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]One rule I would like to enforce is that if you're debating and state something as a fact - if challenged you need to produce proof. If you can't you get banned.[/QUOTE] First rule in the sticky man

its gud but not if u have stowns thrown at ur fase

[QUOTE=sonerin;36720731]Stop fooling yourself, you know that is not true.[/QUOTE] Man you're very ignorant. I have lived in Kuwait, which follows sharia rule, for the past 5 years. There is prayer 5 times a day that includes recital of the Qur'an. Every Friday there is a 2-3 hour long prayer where entire verses of the Qur'an are recited. All of this is broadcasted on loudspeaker. There are at least 3-4 mosques in my area and everyone flocks to them for prayer time, especially the Friday ones. You obviously do not know what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=agentalexandre;36742139]Man you're very ignorant. I have lived in Kuwait, which follows sharia rule, for the past 5 years. There is prayer 5 times a day that includes recital of the Qur'an. Every Friday there is a 2-3 hour long prayer where entire verses of the Qur'an are recited. All of this is broadcasted on loudspeaker. There are at least 3-4 mosques in my area and everyone flocks to them for prayer time, especially the Friday ones.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you even trying to say? What does this have to do with anything? Islam is still discriminative and violent. [editline]13th July 2012[/editline] Read this everyone. wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Story_of_Umm_Qirfa

[QUOTE=sonerin;36613914]Not so fast. tl;dr: Murder anyone who doesn't convert into Islam. Stop falling into random propagandas already.[/QUOTE] before saying something,try to understand the circumstance when the verse is created. [url]http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_95_commentary/[/url] at the times the Al-Qur'an was revealed toward muslim,the situation is being dangerous,prophet Muhammad SAW has faced several murder attempts,and even war. so try to understand with what is really going on that day.

[QUOTE=DemonRazgriz;36882420]before saying something,try to understand the circumstance when the verse is created. [url]http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_95_commentary/[/url] at the times the Al-Qur'an was revealed toward muslim,the situation is being dangerous,prophet Muhammad SAW has faced several murder attempts,and even war. so try to understand with what is really going on that day.[/QUOTE] Taking your facts from a pro-Islamic website? And I'm sure the bearded chap named Mohammad was attacked because of his violent beliefs. He attacked and killed a lot of innocent people even when he wasn't in war with people. He is the one wh o caused battles.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36750168]What the fuck are you even trying to say? What does this have to do with anything? Islam is still discriminative and violent. [editline]13th July 2012[/editline] Read this everyone. wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Story_of_Umm_Qirfa[/QUOTE] He's trying to say that most Muslim DO in fact read and understand the Quran and yet they refuse to "kill all infidels" or whatever you say they are supposed to do.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36884155]He's trying to say that most Muslim DO in fact read and understand the Quran and yet they refuse to "kill all infidels" or whatever you say they are supposed to do.[/QUOTE] Let's ask him, then. Why don't Muslims follow their book? Why don't they kill non-muslims like their book tells them to do so? Are they too dumb to still call themselves Muslims if they aren't going to follow their book?

[QUOTE=C47;36685841]Dude, your seriously an idiot. I never mentioned christianity in any of my post, because I know most of the anti-islamic trolls have absolutely no basis to criticize Islam if they take the bible vs quran stance. The idea is now to compare islam vs the new world (aka secular). Hence my posts talking about the world super-power USA (secular) which happens to be violent too. People who are all violent are stupid. People who are total pacifists are stupid. The correct order requires a balance of both. Thats there in Islam, and thats there in the world's leading super power (strictly talking about killing policies). Islam is violent, hell yeah it is, BUT towards those who are hostile towards it. And it makes perfect sense. Anywho, done talking to you. Your just going to take 3 words out of the Quran and make some stupid conclusion as the previous two new posters have already figured out about you. It's consistent if you know the right sources to look at. The Quran isnt like the bible in any way. Each passage has a story behind and not to be taken literally. If you take sonerin's unacademic stance on things and compare 3 words out of context against 3 other words from the Quran, your bound to find contradictions. Islam is facing the same bullshit that Jews have suffered from. I had come across so many references from the Talmud (and that Protocols of the bla bla Zion) and so on referring to the "kill all non-jews" ideas. But came across another Judaic site which explained the context of that reference, and then suddenly it wasnt so evil after all.[/QUOTE] I can't believe what I'm reading seriously, why are we even discussing this? Look you may say everything you want about how bad it is elsewhere, but here's one true fact. Here in Canada, a women is (hopefully) treated equally to a men, however, it wasn't always this way... but you know what? We evolved from that and I'm damn proud of that. Now you're debating the institution of a law that goes entirely in another direction where the women has close to no right. And don't try to bullshit me by saying it's not true because we both know I can back this up. Now you need come back to reality and accept the fact that we respect your religion's law and even admire parts of it, but it will never make it's way to our countries, even if it's within your own follower, this is the only thing I will say on that matter.

No worse than laws based on the bible.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;36908238]No worse than laws based on the bible.[/QUOTE] Can people stop comparing Quran to Bible already? Both of them are shit, but different shits. Just because Bible is also fucked up doesn't mean Quran is good to go.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910387]Can people stop comparing Quran to Bible already? Both of them are shit, but different shits. Just because Bible is also fucked up doesn't mean Quran is good to go.[/QUOTE] did I say the koran was good to go? [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] I mean they're very similar, so I feel obligated to bring it up.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;36910707]did I say the koran was good to go? [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] I mean they're very similar, so I feel obligated to bring it up.[/QUOTE] Oh, okay.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;36910707]did I say the koran was good to go? [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] I mean they're very similar, so I feel obligated to bring it up.[/QUOTE] Actually they're both really different. Similarities only come from time period and they both also contain some of the same "prophets" such as Moses, David, and even Jesus. The Quran goes from peaceful to harsh while the Bible goes from harsh to peaceful. Also not to get mixed any further, Christians follow the new testament and only learn from the old testament while Jews follow the old testament and say that the new testament is false because of their disbelief in Jesus as the son of God. Muslims follow the Medinan suras while they use the old Meccan suras to cover the Medinan suras. Sharia laws are based off of the Medinan suras because they overwrite Meccan suras. There is no conflict in the overwriting because they are all written by one person, their prophet Muhammad. Also you guys really need to get over yourselves thinking that these historical pieces are crap. They brought control and social evolution in a time period in which there was none. Only in the future was these book misused for power and dictatorial control which brings its hate from others. They might be outdated now, but that doesn't mean you need to bash them.

Any laws based on religion are "bad". Religion has no place in the formation of a state in my opinion. And I think everybody in this thread got trolled hard by somarin.

[QUOTE=-Kaider-;36939157]Any laws based on religion are "bad". Religion has no place in the formation of a state in my opinion. And I think everybody in this thread got trolled hard by somarin.[/QUOTE] In this case it's worse than bad because it's something more of a growing dominance on things in areas that they practice it. Especially when they try to overrule the areas justice system.

Any law that is supposed to be justified by religion is a bad law.

Thanks. Once again you've stated what someone else has already said. Really people. Come on. And also you cannot say that all laws justified by religion are bad laws. There could be one by any religion that could work in today's time period so please take your indirect religion bashing somewhere if you are not going to add a useful thought to the debate.