• 3 things you probably didn't know about islam
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[QUOTE=kenji;27063363]Why does everyone have to use that same crappy way of rendering text? Jesus its so amateur.[/QUOTE] Kinetic typography is the new fad
Well i wish it would stop. It's bloody annoying. Its like frames and internet webpages, it only serves to annoy.
As long as you avoid to fundies, the people are fine. Same with christianity
"Striving to institute worldwide Shari'a law is a religious 'doody'." :ohdear:
excuse me, but point one makes no sense the qur'an is in poetry form, the bible is in command form i don't understand how this semantic argument creates a difference in the religions the book's peaceful messages actually come later on, with the last couple of words professing that all people who are good will enter the kingdom of heaven, regardless of if they are muslims or not this video hides in descriptions and fails to bring forth actual evidence. why do you not show me what you call a "violent passage"
[QUOTE=Wolverunder;27055474]Wow. Fuck you Facepunch. There was a thread a while ago with a video of a Muslim woman experiencing prejudice and I stated very strongly, with facts and logic, why I don't sympathize with her. So while everyone was going AW HOW SAD DOS PEOPLE R BE SO MEAN :(:( ID GIVE HER HUG, and going on about how I'm a monster and have no heart, once someone posts a video with these facts I stated everyone jumps over to the bandwagon of being against Islam. This isn't directed at anyone in this thread or the OP, it's just THIS is why this shit is happening. This is fucking why Muslims are taking over Europe. People only want to stand agaisnt something when it's conveinent for them, or when it's what everyone else is doing. Fucking sickining. A lot of Facepunchers try to act like their "better" than that or more mature and logical then most youth, they are pretty damn quick to do the exact same fucking thing.[/QUOTE] I remember us facing off with against a few others in a thread a while back. It is frustrating to see the entire community just wallops to the other side. You have to accept that many Facepunchers strive look like they are enlightened. [QUOTE=thisispain;27063840]excuse me, but point one makes no sense the qur'an is in poetry form, the bible is in command form i don't understand how this semantic argument creates a difference in the religions the book's peaceful messages actually come later on, with the last couple of words professing that all people who are good will enter the kingdom of heaven, regardless of if they are muslims or not this video hides in descriptions and fails to bring forth actual evidence. why do you not show me what you call a "violent passage"[/QUOTE] At this point, their culture and there religious beliefs are so intertwined that it's hard to discriminate between the two. I do not mean to say that in a negative or condescending way. It just means that it is hard to tell why many middle eastern people behave the way they do because of their religion or the cultural norm. In the end, I think Muslims have hijacked their own religion over time. [QUOTE=Penguiin;27055827]Spoiler: all (mainstream) religions and their associated texts are incredibly hypocritical as mentioned in this video the bible has a lot of dumb antiquated philosophy and yet most christians say "I'm a christian but I don't think homosexuals should be stoned to death"... hypocrite. the qur'an, too, has a lot of rantings by an insane old pedophile named mohammad and yet most muslims say "I'm a muslim but I believe in human rights, women's rights, and LGBT equality"... well, you can't be both, sorry. see a trend? how can you only believe in parts (or only tell people you do) a-m, but not n-z? you can't really accept a religion and then pick and choose what you like about it. it's being incredibly lazy and deceitful in islam's case but also you're not being true to what you actually believe in if you don't even do some research about some of the totally stupid shit said in these old books.[/QUOTE] You pretty much nailed it. The trend also works in reverse, people will believe in something and claim that their scripture supports the belief. [QUOTE=NO ONE;27055555]So much is going through my mind after watching that. I mean, how should I [i]really view Islam?[/i] I still think that jihadist are crazy people that take The Qu'ran the wrong way, because there still seems to be more peaceful Muslims than violent ones. But my guess is that the number of violent ones are on the rise, specifically and obviously in countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, etc.[/QUOTE] People can get what they want without violence. Sharia Law was established in the UK and there was no violence.
[QUOTE=Penguiin;27055827]Spoiler: all (mainstream) religions and their associated texts are incredibly hypocritical as mentioned in this video the bible has a lot of dumb antiquated philosophy and yet most christians say "I'm a christian but I don't think homosexuals should be stoned to death"... hypocrite. the qur'an, too, has a lot of rantings by an insane old pedophile named mohammad and yet most muslims say "I'm a muslim but I believe in human rights, women's rights, and LGBT equality"... well, you can't be both, sorry. see a trend? how can you only believe in parts (or only tell people you do) a-m, but not n-z? you can't really accept a religion and then pick and choose what you like about it. it's being incredibly lazy and deceitful in islam's case but also you're not being true to what you actually believe in if you don't even do some research about some of the totally stupid shit said in these old books.[/QUOTE] [b]You, and the other 99% of Facepunch included, apparently believe that Christians are suppose to follow the Old Testament.[/b]
this video has about as many facts as a post on jihad watch, all claims no evidence ironic that it claims you should read the Qu'ran when most of the things it's trying to claim don't originate from the Qu'ran [editline]29th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Wolverunder;27055474]This is fucking why Muslims are taking over Europe. [/QUOTE] what do your insane ramblings about islam have to do with muslims taking over europe?
[QUOTE=Penguiin;27055827]the bible has a lot of dumb antiquated philosophy and yet most christians say "I'm a christian but I don't think homosexuals should be stoned to death"... hypocrite.[/QUOTE] To follow up with this, you reveal your ignorance by this statement alone. A solid statement or even a full blown presentation such as the OP's video should be accompanied with a significant understanding of the topic. Just because people watch this video doesn't mean they should take it as fact until they do the reading and studying themselves, interestingly and thankfully enough, just as stated in the very same video.
[QUOTE=Hostel;27063886] At this point, their culture and there religious beliefs are so intertwined that it's hard to discriminate between the two. [/QUOTE] only if you're ignorant otherwise it's very very simple
A lot of things with this video is full of shit with the exception of LGBT rights, eye for an eye and maybe nothing else. Taqiyya is not lying about Islam to help spread it, it's denying your faith in the event of compulsion/persecution or if being threatened. Like during the Spanish Inquisition, Muslims can deny their faith and say they became Christian, this dipshit transforms that into something totally different and you guys believe it. Just fucking read the wikipedia article on it: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya[/url] 2. Muslims believe that the Quran was written by God, Allah. Therefore the Quran is believed to have NO contradictions at all and is perfect. This is also bragged and boasted about by Muslims who claim that their holy book is perfect since 'God wrote it'. The Quran supposedly making "clear" instructions on what to do if you come across a contradiction is complete bullshit, because why would such instructions exist if it was believed to be written by God, right? That was made up entirely in the video. If you still don't believe me then find me a passage in Quran, a verse or some source that "gives clear instruction on what to do if you come across a contradiction. Seriously guys, how can you believe this load of horseshit?
Furthermore, no sources are given in the entire video.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;27063893][b]You, and the other 99% of Facepunch included, apparently believe that Christians are suppose to follow the Old Testament.[/b][/QUOTE] I used to be a Christian, I know we are supposed to follow the New Testament.
[QUOTE=The mouse;27054896]The funny thing is, most muslims don't know this.[/QUOTE] I was told a while ago that more than half of Arabians can't even read their own language. I may have been misinformed, though.
[QUOTE=Anax;27064357]I was told a while ago that more than half of Arabians can't even read their own language. I may have been misinformed, though.[/QUOTE] 76.3%
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[QUOTE=Anax;27064357]I was told a while ago that more than half of Arabians can't even read their own language. I may have been misinformed, though.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't surprise me, a lot of them are simple farmers making a living. Many of them even thought that the US Military were Soviet Armed Forces making a second attempt to take the country.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;27064204]Furthermore, no sources are given in the entire video.[/QUOTE] aw shit, many a time I've been swept off my feet by a confident german voice and some pleasing aesthetics. this video is no exception.
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[QUOTE=Starpluck;27064129]A lot of things with this video is full of shit with the exception of LGBT rights, eye for an eye and maybe nothing else. Taqiyya is not lying about Islam to help spread it, it's denying your faith in the event of compulsion/persecution or if being threatened. Like during the Spanish Inquisition, Muslims can deny their faith and say they became Christian, this dipshit transforms that into something totally different and you guys believe it. Just fucking read the wikipedia article on it: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya[/url][/quote] It is lying to protect yourself, Islam and Islam's interests. While they had no state of their own, they lied constantly to protect Islam from annihilation instead of just their own lives. It's in your Wikipedia article right there. If they want to lie to protect Islams interests, they are perfectly free to. Most don't obviously and the ones who would, we already know they lie. Worth noting however that they do lie frequently, along with the rest of the world. [quote]2. Muslims believe that the Quran was written by God, Allah. Therefore the Quran is believed to have NO contradictions at all and is perfect. This is also bragged and boasted about by Muslims who claim that their holy book is perfect since 'God wrote it'. The Quran supposedly making "clear" instructions on what to do if you come across a contradiction is complete bullshit, because why would such instructions exist if it was believed to be written by God, right? That was made up entirely in the video. If you still don't believe me then find me a passage in Quran, a verse or some source that "gives clear instruction on what to do if you come across a contradiction. Seriously guys, how can you believe this load of horseshit?[/QUOTE] [url]http://quran.com/16/101[/url] [url]http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser/cgi/bin/retrieve.cgi?version=pickthall+yusufali+khan+shakir+sherali+khalifa+arberry+palmer+rodwell+sale&layout=auto&searchstring=016:101[/url] 'tis called sources. I'm sure Muhammad while writing it knew people would pick out the contradictions so he used allah-did-it.
There were a lot of things wrong with that video. Like Starpluck said, Taqiyya is not lying to spread Islam, it's simply to prevent persecution. From Wikipedia: [quote]As a minority living under the political dominance of Sunni Muslims, Shi’i often protected themselves through prudence and caution. In Shi’i legal literature, there is a range of situations in which taqiyya may be used or even required. For Shi’i Muslims, taqiyya is to conceal their association with their faith when revealing it would result in danger.[/quote] [quote] Sunni and Shi’i commentators alike observe that Q 16:106 in particular refers to the case of ‘Ammar b. Yasir, who was forced to renounce his beliefs under physical duress and torture.[/quote] And another thing, Jihad does not explicitly mean terrorism. Yes, it can be a struggle in a "holy war", but it is equally an internal struggle of faith and an external struggle of bettering society as a whole: [quote]Muslims use the word in a religious context to refer to three types of struggles: an internal struggle to maintain faith, the struggle to improve the Muslim society, or the struggle in a holy war.[/quote] In fact, Jihad itself goes against this guy's definition of Taqiyya, one must truthfully spread Islam in Jihad by the tongue: [quote][b]Jihad by the tongue[/b] ([i]jihad bil lisan[/i]) is concerned with speaking the truth and spreading the word of Islam with one's tongue.[/quote] However, people tend to only focus on Jihad by the sword, because the extremists use it to justify terrorism. Like the guy in the video said, do your own research... [editline]29th December 2010[/editline] But, like with any religion, there will be people who lie, world leaders who will tell something to the American press and another thing to the Arabic press, terrorists, extremists, etc. And yeah, people want to spread their religion, Evangelical Christians, for example...
I thought it was supposed to [I]promote[/I] Islam at first, and then I learned Islam is a very bad religion .
[QUOTE=Devodiere;27066895]It is lying to protect yourself, Islam and Islam's interests. While they had no state of their own, they lied constantly to protect Islam from annihilation instead of just their own lives. It's in your Wikipedia article right there. If they want to lie to protect Islams interests, they are perfectly free to. Most don't obviously and the ones who would, we already know they lie. Worth noting however that they do lie frequently, along with the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] Where exactly are you pulling this bullshit from? The article makes no mention of lying to protect Islam's interests but rather to protect your [B]own [/B]life from persecution to death. For example, read the post below yours where he explains what it exactly means; preventing persecution. The belief that Taqiyya is used to lie to protect Islam's interests is a load of bullshit, which was deliberately heavily transformed into something that would make Islam look bad, which was motivated by Islamopohobia. While you can make up your own little definitions of what you want Taqiyya to be, the fact remains, it means concealing your faith when under threat of death. [quote] [URL]http://quran.com/16/101[/URL] [URL]http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser/cgi/bin/retrieve.cgi?version=pickthall+yusufali+khan+shakir+sherali+khalifa+arberry+palmer+rodwell+sale&layout=auto&searchstring=016:101[/URL] 'tis called sources. I'm sure Muhammad while writing it knew people would pick out the contradictions so he used allah-did-it.[/quote]More translations are located here: [URL]http://www.prayertimes.info/open/ob.php?sid=016&vid=101[/URL] What you posted is not relevant, it's referring to the substitution of one Scripture (Bible, Torah and Qur'an) in place of another [editline]30th December 2010[/editline] Yeah as robmaister12 said, the closest thing to your little made up definition of Taqiyaa is: Jihad. But but! The difference is [quote]Jihad by the tongue ([I]jihad bil lisan[/I]) is concerned with speaking the [B]truth [/B]and spreading the word of Islam with one's tongue.[/quote]
That video is entirely wrong i can disprove it because sure their are verses on war but the verse after that Puts a restriction on it. That video is the biggest Propaganda BS I have ever saw lol. Example Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. People pick this verse out without looking at the verse before and after. Before: Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him) After: And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not. Honestly you guys act like blind sheep
Starpluck makes a good point. Thanks for giving different points of view, I did actually not make my own research as of yet. But it would sure be interesting to read the Qur'an someday.
I like some of the aspects of Islam.. Like if some muslim is being accused of something he did not do, he will stand for himself, i don't know "aggressively" making it clear he will not stand such bullshit accusations for nothing. Every man should be like that.
The semantic arguments over the 'lying' are getting silly. Let's settle this - in verb form, 'lie' means: [list=1] [*] To present false information with the intention of deceiving. [*] To convey a false image or impression. [/list] It does not matter what it's for or under differing circumstances: by definition Taqiyya advocates lying - period. The meaning of the word is established, so stop acting like lawyers. It's completely sensible to agree with some of what's been posted. Of course, there's no substitute for digesting the material yourself, but there are often more pressing needs. C'est la vie. One of the fastest routes to power aside from finance and politics is through religion. Interpret some ancient text from a soapbox and you'll have a following eventually. Hey, they'll even support you and offer tithes! No wonder why a religion that has a major goal of spreading itself is so effective. Personally, I have no reason to include religion in my life in any form. I find that there is more than enough literature on understanding humanity and so much to learn from those whom have come before us that there really is no need for a storybook guide on how to live life. It doesn't matter whether it's a book filled with a collection of stories or one person's life. For some reason, I doubt that the Muslim progenitors of Algebra were able to spend as much time re-reading the Qur'an as their brethren. I can't imagine religion wouldn't take a back seat when there's actually something productive and worthwhile to be done. I don't care what religion a person adheres to; humans are capable of rational thought, although they may not choose to use that ability (barring physical or chemical complications). They know instinctively when an action is constructive or destructive (right or wrong if you want to use those emotionally-charged terms) and they can also be conditioned to confuse the two. Study enough psychology and you can heavily influence other people without even speaking. Children born of disparately religious parents and raised together in isolation from religion will conceivably end up associating and behaving similarly. A stagnant culture will remain mired in ignorance without exposure and comprehension of external ideas, especially if it rejects any external ideas. Rigidity is stagnation and that is a form of death, if not physically then culturally and ideologically. It's disturbing - I say let them wallow in their own destitution. Anyone intelligent enough to see through the charade can easily decide to disregard the drivel spouted by any of these organizations. The key point is to remain willing to defend yourself instead of being complacent and pacifist toward an obvious effort with a goal of eradication - have a spine. Most people already understand this without having it committed to writing. Why it even needs to be said can be debated endlessly as well. Too bad the idea that we're supposed to be pussified idiots is beaten into us in so many different ways. This article compares Jewish and Shariah law. How about that for stirring the pot? [url]http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/no_comparison_shariah_and_jewi.html[/url] Consider this: morality is rational - there are reasons behind morals, established by cause and effect. Given an environment and enough introspection, a distortion of morality can occur, especially with misguided reasoning. These ideas have been percolating for at least a century. I think that objective rationalization will tend to alter morality as a necessity of change in the progress of the species and environmental circumstances. [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-paulson/science-religion-divide_b_756309.html[/url] Too much energy is expended making the first strike when an impregnable defense is far more potent. Focus on something productive, pursue it and let the world of fools play catch up. If you refrain from interacting with anyone negative, you maintain integrity and make increasing progress. I like reason better than tradition. Strive for something greater than what you disagree with and you'll succeed; try to fight it directly and you'll be sucked into a stalemate. The native Americans and other pantheist civilizations had it right - live within your means, smoke the peace pipe, check out some trippy visuals and get with the nookie on a regular basis. My $.02. I really have to stop writing novellas. [QUOTE=Bat-shit;27177106]I like some of the aspects of Islam.. Like if some muslim is being accused of something he did not do, he will stand for himself, i don't know "aggressively" making it clear he will not stand such bullshit accusations for nothing. Every man should be like that.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the emasculated western world. Don't worry, the next few decades will involve a cultivation of personal responsibility.
no one would ever want to support these laws in western countries. i think its good to have free speech but really, religion can cause pretty serious situations over stupid and rediculous things
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Guess I will have to read the Quran myself.
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