[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48987859]if some of the posts here are indicative of some of the posts there then i wouldn't quite say it was over nothing. maybe nothing to you but it clearly had an impact on them[/QUOTE]
the regulars changed a lot
some of the people you're probably talking about weren't even posting there a few months/years ago
on the other hand i remember users getting upset after being told that showering once a week is bad
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48987859]if some of the posts here are indicative of some of the posts there then i wouldn't quite say it was over nothing. maybe nothing to you but it clearly had an impact on them
[editline]26th October 2015[/editline]
however if they did come in asking for advice then they probably should expect criticism of some sort, they may just not be expecting the certain brand of passive aggressiveness that seems to follow such threads[/QUOTE]
On topics like fashion people get defensive easily even when they ask for advice because they are going to be told that they dont look good as they are in most cases, people see this as an insult but you have to be aware that currently you're not where you want to be and improve from there, nobody is gonna lie to you and say bro you look fuckin amazing but you might wanna try spicing it up a touch with some minor changes if you dress like an angsty teenager and wanna get a certain look down
In the end, this is what it comes down to: Wear what you want, but don't complain when you have to bare the consequences. If you don't like the consequences, then either ignore them or change yourself.
i try to dress well because it boosts my confidence and i like looking good and thats the only reason anyone should care about how they dress
I don't get the hate against cargo shorts. Maybe like, the huge ones with giant pockets i guess
There is objective advice, not just opinion, to be given when talking about what you wear. Color theory and composition has existed for a long time and our eyes will always consider certain shapes, patterns and colour combinations to be pleasant relative to others, regardless of current trends.
I really like the music analogy people proposed here, where people listening to top 40 who don't care much about music are looked down upon by people with opinions and preferences in the subject.
With fashion thinking about what you wear says that you care a little extra more about how you look to others.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48986464]so why not take that as a challenge then instead of whining about it[/QUOTE]
I'm down for critique to an extent, but it's gotta be constructive and presented in a way that's actually friendly. Otherwise, it's not important to me to hear how you think you can improve upon my life. There's a million other people you can hang out with. If you're going down that route, go bother someone else, because if you're really going to be adamant about fashion it's not going to stop there.
I have a friend who writes music, and people love to give him unwarranted critique. He always says, "okay" and moves on with his life. Sometimes they get fussy about it and he tells them to go listen to other people's music. Same thing applies to the social context: you're operating under the impression that what you say matters enough and that your judgement is worthwhile - and to be honest it actually can be worthwhile. You can improve upon other people and it can be encouraged. It's in presentation - there's a fashion for how you act and speak too. It's just not called fashion.
I feel like I'm in the middle here. I think some people take fashion way too seriously, but at the same time some people go "Pff, fashion," as an excuse to go around looking like unwashed, unshaven pigs in torn up, ill-fitting clothing.
Yeah, you don't gotta blow a fortune to look good, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to look decent and presentable, especially in a professional or social environment. You can go down to Walmart and probably come out with an outfit that at least doesn't look bad. It's like some people are [i]vehemently against[/i] people trying to look nice, I don't get it.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48989302]I feel like I'm in the middle here. I think some people take fashion way too seriously, but at the same time some people go "Pff, fashion," as an excuse to go around looking like unwashed, unshaven pigs in torn up, ill-fitting clothing.
Yeah, you don't gotta blow a fortune to look good, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to look decent and presentable, especially in a professional or social environment. You can go down to Walmart and probably come out with an outfit that at least doesn't look bad. It's like some people are [i]vehemently against[/i] people trying to look nice, I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
if you ask me, spending money on fashion is silly. Most of the time you're paying for the brand name, not a particular feature or super exclusive item.
I did spend $300 on my boots- but they're probably going to last me 10+ years and they're the comfiest pair of shoes I've ever bought. Had em for a year and they still are in excellent condition. most of my shoes dont last that long.
most people in FULS anyways do not at all espouse spending mad dosh on ~fashion~ because at that pricepoint it usually is the silly high ~fashion~ type shit
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48989302]I feel like I'm in the middle here. I think some people take fashion way too seriously, but at the same time some people go "Pff, fashion," as an excuse to go around looking like unwashed, unshaven pigs in torn up, ill-fitting clothing.
Yeah, you don't gotta blow a fortune to look good, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to look decent and presentable, especially in a professional or social environment. You can go down to Walmart and probably come out with an outfit that at least doesn't look bad. It's like some people are [I]vehemently against[/I] people trying to look nice, I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
I've spoken to this point in the past, over in FULS. People come in asking about ridiculously expensive pieces of clothing that, honestly, don't look that great. We let them know, and I usually go on my spiel about "That's a rip off. You don't have to spend $300 on a sweater. Go to H&M, get one for $50."
Money can equal quality up to a point, but there is a point where the money becomes less about quality and more about paying for the name. I try to spend a little bit of money on my clothes, so I know they'll last, but I don't pay for big name designers.
So, maybe don't buy all your clothes at Walmart, spend a little bit more, but don't throw away thousands of dollars on a single outfit. Go to H&M.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48989302]"Pff, fashion," as an excuse to go around looking like unwashed, unshaven pigs in torn up, ill-fitting clothing.[/QUOTE]
Nobody here is doing that though. Some of us just hate people acting like the fact that we don't spend great effort trying to look nice instantly means that we are going around looking like unwashed mongrels.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48986428]tbh more judgmental people are much more interesting to hang out with because you kind of challenge each other and it makes you improve
i want to be judged and so do they. because if you're confident in yourself then you're confident in being judged based on how people perceive you and clothes are a big part of that
when somebody says "your cargo pants and sandals look like shit" they're not saying YOU'RE shit, they're encouraging you to improve. sure the phrasing isn't the nicest but that's how things work[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, you're at it again aren't you? Like, you really are just a straight up awful, shallow human being.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48989968]Holy shit, you're at it again aren't you? Like, you really are just a straight up awful, shallow human being.[/QUOTE]
"a straight up awful, shallow human being"?
jesus christ dude
i don't feel like i've done anything that justifies those accusations
i'm only trying to explain the opposing viewpoint, a lot of the time it isn't even my own opinion
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48989968]Holy shit, you're at it again aren't you? Like, you really are just a straight up awful, shallow human being.[/QUOTE]
how the hell does anything he said make him an awful human being
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48989968]Holy shit, you're at it again aren't you? Like, you really are just a straight up awful, shallow human being.[/QUOTE]
what does attacking someone for their opinion do? Maybe add more to the discussion than an attack. At least most of the posts here have been continuing the discussion (argument ;p)
My take on this is if you look good in something, you should wear it with something else that matches with it, looks good, and is clean, keep doing that and you have an outfit.
E.x if you can rock a fedora, great! wear it with something formalish, like a polo and a nice wool vest or something. Don't slap it on with your cargo shorts, combat boots, stained shirt, and fingerless gloves expecting it to still look good.
[QUOTE=paindoc;48990181]what does attacking someone for their opinion do? Maybe add more to the discussion than an attack. At least most of the posts here have been continuing the discussion (argument ;p)[/QUOTE]
Ninja Gnome pretty much had it. You get these people seemingly progressive people who turn around and act like this. Like, it's not being a psychopath type of awful person, it's a "even when being a decent person is the easiest thing to do, all it takes is the most trivial things for you to be a condescending dick" type of awful person.
The only person I see being an asshole here is you, man...
I mean, you're just sort of calling him an awful human being, he's just kind of stating his opinions and beliefs. I can get if he said "I support Hitler, and eat babies for breakfast. Hail Satan," but he didn't. He's just saying he's fine being judged, that he likes being judged, and that's all there is to that.
Meanwhile, you're over here debasing the guy for his opinions, which really don't affect you unless you ask for him to judge you. Really, who's the horrible human here? The one responding to a stimulus, with the aim to help someone, or the one projecting his own insecurities on someone else?
I just think you're being a bit of a dick, and you should stop. You're stooping to the level of the people you claim to abhor.
[QUOTE=woolio1;48990327]The only person I see being an asshole here is you, man...
I mean, you're just sort of calling him an awful human being, he's just kind of stating his opinions and beliefs. I can get if he said "I support Hitler, and eat babies for breakfast. Hail Satan," but he didn't. He's just saying he's fine being judged, that he likes being judged, and that's all there is to that.
Meanwhile, you're over here debasing the guy for his opinions, which really don't affect you unless you ask for him to judge you. Really, who's the horrible human here? The one responding to a stimulus, with the aim to help someone, or the one projecting his own insecurities on someone else?
I just think you're being a bit of a dick, and you should stop. You're stooping to the level of the people you claim to abhor.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, there's being an awful person by the degree of awfulness, and then there's being an awful person by the sheer pointlessness of it. There's running theme of people on Facepunch who so hate the idea of being one of those fedora-wearing, dad-rocking, casual-hating neckbeards that they just become their mirror image, and constantly make sure everyone knows how they don't care about those things. So you get people who come in act like it's not enough to look decent and presentable, and not committing any flagrant faux pas; that simply looking average is worthy of their derision. But they don't have the excuse of poor social skills or a lack of self-awareness. And Eric95 made egregious example of that not too long ago, which is why I went at him personally.
yeah i guess it really is the fashion people who are condescending elitists which is why i'm going to call that one guy a horrible human being because he's blunt with his opinions
I cannot say during any point of me fixing up looking sharper I thought "man i need to be the exact opposite of those neckbeard types i just CANNOT be that" (although I was that type...)
instead it was "I think I'd like to dress nicer now that I'm in college and can start over"
I wear hooded jackets and jeans every day, on a scale of 1 - 10 how badly would you beat me up if you saw me on the streets
tbh you guys should read this site before you even think about criticizing fashion. at least know what you're talking about.
[url]http://tuxbell.com/index.php/Main_Page[/url] (it's a tad out of date but the basics are solid, especially for grooming/general fits)
it's fine if you don't want to wear clothes that fit and make you look good, but don't delude yourselves into thinking that this is in any way a means of being pretentious/snooty/a hipster/whatever. clothing is a personal matter. any judgment of character solely based on clothing, no matter what quality, is retarded. however, this does not mean this will prevent people from judging you, and you [I]will[/I] have to dress the part when the time comes -- whatever it is.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;48991129]tbh you guys should read this site before you even think about criticizing fashion. at least know what you're talking about.
[url]http://tuxbell.com/index.php/Main_Page[/url] (it's a tad out of date but the basics are solid, especially for grooming/general fits)
it's fine if you don't want to wear clothes that fit and make you look good, but don't delude yourselves into thinking that this is in any way a means of being pretentious/snooty/a hipster/whatever. clothing is a personal matter. any judgment of character solely based on clothing, no matter what quality, is retarded. however, this does not mean this will prevent people from judging you, and you [I]will[/I] have to dress the part when the time comes -- whatever it is.[/QUOTE]
tuxbell is one of the best fashion websites imo. It taught me a ton of things that I otherwise would never have really known
[IMG]http://puu.sh/kZa4J/587d708622.jpg[/IMG]
like, look at this fit. it's simple, affordable (besides the jacket lol and if everything else is out of your price range there are easy alternatives), and if you're not fat and don't have shitty facial hair you will look good. there's nothing pretentious about wanting to look good. you don't have to wear some extravagant shit that you see in fashion shows -- those are essentially works of art.
I'd swap out the pants for slim-fit jeans, but other than that you can't really go wrong there. Aside from maybe the hat. I don't wear hats, generally, because I always have a rocking pompadour... thing.
It's really more of a gentleman's cut.
[QUOTE=paindoc;48991032]I cannot say during any point of me fixing up looking sharper I thought "man i need to be the exact opposite of those neckbeard types i just CANNOT be that" (although I was that type...)
instead it was "I think I'd like to dress nicer [B]now that I'm in college and can start over[/B]"[/QUOTE]
This is the mentality I'm trying to get into.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;48991690]This is the mentality I'm trying to get into.[/QUOTE]
It was honestly really nice. I changed my appearance drastically enough a few friends from HS haven't recognized me, haha
As someone in a fashion design program, its amazing to see how much hate there is for it. A good percentage of the shit you see in fashion shows are never meant to hit stores, they're meant to showcase the designers ability to not only think outside the box, but also to show the skills that they have in their craft. A lot of people look at clothes as a passion, and if someone sees value in a $100 t-shirt, that's cool. All im saying is that if someone perceives a $100 worth it, don't rag on them, because value is subjective. I have absolutely no hate for people not into it and keeping it simple, such as wearing a button up shirt, a pair of levis, and whatever kind of boots. although I do have a huge problem with people ragging on people for liking fashion, especially when they think that liking it makes them a lesser person. People who are anti-fashion try just as hard with their look of not caring, just as much as people who actually enjoy it.
Basically just let people like what they want, and not give a shit so much.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48989968]Holy shit, you're at it again aren't you? Like, you really are just a straight up awful, shallow human being.[/QUOTE]
i'm not letting go of this just yet
are you people for real? did you seriously just spend 9 fucking pages complaining about how some people are [I]too judgmental[/I] only to turn around, gang up on this guy and call him an awful human being because of a couple of internet posts
grow the fuck up
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