[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48993497]i'm not letting go of this just yet
are you people for real? did you seriously just spend 9 fucking pages complaining about how some people are [I]too judgmental[/I] only to turn around, gang up on this guy and call him an awful human being because of a couple of internet posts
grow the fuck up[/QUOTE]
i mean "you people" and "ganging up" is a bit extreme, its only one guy who has actually posted anything and ratings are cheap
this thread made me decide to go to H&M last night and drop only $150 on some new clothes.
having clothes that are actually nice and fitting on me makes me feel good.
of the people that rated
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48989968]Holy shit, you're at it again aren't you? Like, you really are just a straight up awful, shallow human being.[/QUOTE]
agree, only 2 of them have actually posted in this thread, and both of them only posted once. by posting this
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48993497]are you people for real? did you seriously just spend 9 fucking pages complaining about how some people are [I]too judgmental[/I] only to turn around, gang up on this guy and call him an awful human being because of a couple of internet posts
[/QUOTE]
you're throwing everybody who actually contributed to this conversation under the bus. all because of one person and a bunch of people who weren't even a part of it in any meaningful way. nobody is ganging up on him even if there are some people rating, its just mingebox
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48993785]of the people that rated
agree, only 2 of them have actually posted in this thread, and both of them only posted once. by posting this
you're throwing everybody who actually contributed to this conversation under the bus. all because of one person and a bunch of people who weren't even a part of it in any meaningful way.[/QUOTE]
if you're actually going to agree with someone who called another person a horrible human being over [I]clothes[/I], then i think you kinda deserve it if some shit gets thrown your way.
[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;48993801]if you're actually going to agree with someone who called another person a horrible human being over [I]clothes[/I], then i think you kinda deserve it if some shit gets thrown your way.[/QUOTE]
a fair point, but the use of "complaining" makes it seem like it is directed at the people who actually contributed to the thread and not to the people who just read it and clicked a button
i don't care if you expressed your opinion by clicking a button or posting about it, it's still a disgusting opinion
Good to know you'll ignore my arguments to repeat how little you think of people in this thread so you don't have to deal with actual arguments.
[editline]27th October 2015[/editline]
Though I do think that believing people are boring if their not judgemental is silly as fuck
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48993918]Good to know you'll ignore my arguments to repeat how little you think of people in this thread so you don't have to deal with actual arguments.
[editline]27th October 2015[/editline]
Though I do think that believing people are boring if their not judgemental is silly as fuck[/QUOTE]
i read through your arguments, didn't think any of them was worth replying to
sorry if thats a requirement for posting in this thread i mustve missed it
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48993918]Good to know you'll ignore my arguments to repeat how little you think of people in this thread so you don't have to deal with actual arguments.
[editline]27th October 2015[/editline]
Though I do think that believing people are boring if their not judgemental is silly as fuck[/QUOTE]
Say what you will about his opinion on people, but its more silly to call them an "awful, shallow human being" because of it
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48993918]Good to know you'll ignore my arguments to repeat how little you think of people in this thread so you don't have to deal with actual arguments.
[editline]27th October 2015[/editline]
Though I do think that believing people are boring if their not judgemental is silly as fuck[/QUOTE]
a guy was being judgmental a few posts up from yours and everyone [I]still[/I] thought he was being a cunt. maybe it's not as simple as either being a wonderful and impartial human being or universally acting like a dick to everyone you meet over the branding of their non-visible ankle socks? this dichotomy is getting really [I]really[/I] fuckin stupid
[editline]27th October[/editline]
nobody's even said anything offensive about anyone's clothes in like two pages it's just been people talking about how much of a dick everyone was the previous page
[editline]27th October[/editline]
i mean really what are we even talking about anymore beyond "those other guys are cunts," we're just reaffirming everything endlessly anytime anyone says something
why is it so hard to just dress properly, lol it isnt rocket science.
[QUOTE=Jund;48974415]i can appreciate wearing jackets on your shoulders because it's one step closer to capes
antonio banderas will have his day[/QUOTE]
I received a poncho a while ago and while I wanted to wear it thinking I'd be like Clint Eastwood, I think fashion trends have ruined it for me and it just seemed really feminine to wear now
Basically, it's wear clothes that fit properly, and don't wear cargo shorts to church. Or in public. If you're going hiking, wear cargo shorts, but if not, then don't.
I think a lot of people miss that fashion advice usually isn't geared to recreational activity. Wear whatever you want while you're at the gym, or out on a boat, or skydiving. But if you want to look presentable in polite company, tidy up a bit.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48993497]i'm not letting go of this just yet
are you people for real? did you seriously just spend 9 fucking pages complaining about how some people are [I]too judgmental[/I] only to turn around, gang up on this guy and call him an awful human being because of a couple of internet posts
grow the fuck up[/QUOTE]
Hi, thanks for making lots of assumptions! For the record, I rated that post agree entirely for the "shallow human being" part than the "awful human being" part. I mean, i know the inclusion of "awful" in that statement threw you into a blind rage, but I hope you at least realized there was more to that post!
I mean, let's recap.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48986355][QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48986338]You can "dress sharply" and still not be a gigantic cock towards people who dress "inferior" to you.
Do you know who the real fashionable people are? The ones who don't feel superior to others over what they wear[/QUOTE]
citation needed[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eric95;48986428]tbh more judgmental people are much more interesting to hang out with because you kind of challenge each other and it makes you improve
[B]i want to be judged and so do they.[/B] because if you're confident in yourself then you're confident in being judged based on how people perceive you and clothes are a big part of that
when somebody says "your cargo pants and sandals look like shit" they're not saying YOU'RE shit, they're encouraging you to improve. sure the phrasing isn't the nicest but that's how things work[/QUOTE]
This sounds like some shallow shit to me.
[QUOTE=woolio1;48994807]Basically, it's wear clothes that fit properly, and don't wear cargo shorts to church. Or in public. If you're going hiking, wear cargo shorts, but if not, then don't.
I think a lot of people miss that fashion advice usually isn't geared to recreational activity. Wear whatever you want while you're at the gym, or out on a boat, or skydiving. But if you want to look presentable in polite company, tidy up a bit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the biggest thing I see is people say "bruh what about when im workin hard at my job i cant be wearing super expensive shit and caring about how i look" yeah gz most of us work too but its not about that, work clothes have nothing to do with fashion advice
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;48994883]This sounds like some shallow shit to me.[/QUOTE]
"I want to be judged and so do they" is kind of a weird statement but please, for the love of god, can we stop with this holier-than-thou attitude like judging people suddenly makes you shallow and isn't something everyone does?
When you see a group of hooded dudes staring at you from a dark alley at night and decide not to pass by it, you're judging them. When you see a friend who's staring off into the distance and looking a bit sad and ask him what's wrong, you're judging him. I get it, some people can be [I]too[/I] judgmental (like people who see a guy saying he doesn't mind being judged and call him shallow for it), but that doesn't mean 'judging' is an inherently bad thing
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48974379]I'm a young adult in my 20's and my wardrobe is exclusively filled with boot-cut fit jeans and plaid/flannel style button up shirts that I roll the sleeves up on. I don't know what it is but these are basically the only kinds of clothes that appeal to me anywhere that I shop.
[video=youtube;VdLf4fihP78]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdLf4fihP78&feature=youtu.be&t=10s[/video]
10 seconds in is basically me, and most guys I actually know now that I'm thinking about it. What the hell is with these shirts?[/QUOTE]
I don't particularly like the criticism of child labor in these countries.
What do you want them to do instead of work? Many of these places don't have schools for them to go to. If they don't work factory jobs they'll just become child prostitutes or criminals. These are economies that are far less developed than our own so we can't judge them using our standards
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48995267]"I want to be judged and so do they" is kind of a weird statement but please, for the love of god, can we stop with this holier-than-thou attitude like judging people suddenly makes you shallow and isn't something everyone does?
When you see a group of hooded dudes staring at you from a dark alley at night and decide not to pass by it, you're judging them. When you see a friend who's staring off into the distance and looking a bit sad and ask him what's wrong, you're judging him. I get it, some people can be [I]too[/I] judgmental (like people who see a guy saying he doesn't mind being judged and call him shallow for it), but that doesn't mean 'judging' is an inherently bad thing[/QUOTE]
I think someone can have a strong judgement but act on that judgement in a nicer way, i.e. to give a different perspective and [I]kindly[/I] inform about it.
For instance, there's a difference between trying to tell other that they're living unhealthy lives because of their obesity and resorting to fat shaming. One builds up, the other breaks down. One brings people closer and offers security, and one attempts to exploit insecurity to separate. (Intentions don't matter.)
This is kind of where I think the thread is starting to unravel because I don't have a vendetta against people who try to look nice or people who think others should look nice - I don't believe I'd look down upon someone who is overly dressed just as I wouldn't judge someone for being in a graphic tee. I wouldn't judge someone that had strong opinions either way but still listened and didn't offend.
The only reason why I can feel a little bit strongly about this is simply because I see it as hurtful to try and separate and discriminate in a way that is only positive for the person doing the discrimination. This is the problem with Eric's posts:
[QUOTE=Eric95;48986428]when somebody says "your cargo pants and sandals look like shit" they're not saying YOU'RE shit, they're encouraging you to improve. sure the phrasing isn't the nicest but that's how things work[/QUOTE]
You can technically go around and tell everyone that they look like shit, but if you're going to be too obnoxious about it, it just screams superiority complex. "Hey, listen to me, because [I]I[/I] think you look like shit" would warrant me to say, "Okay, go away". Alternatively, "Hey, you know what helped me feel like a better person? A better wardrobe" would be a sign that they're opening up to me and I would feel comfortable opening up to them and talking about things.
If people are going to say, "you look like shit", it's going to push people into being way too defensive to accept anything. It's not welcoming or productive - it's just abusive. Not everyone responds to negativity the same, and as someone who's got some broken friends it could contribute to someone's downward spiral. If the goal is to make people more fashionable and therefore more sociable, it's counter-productive.
And because he does it and retreats to like-minded people, he's come up with his own version of normal, and starts thinking that it's the other people that are the problem. There's no self-reflection. There's no self-sacrifice. There's no tolerance. There's no budging. I don't want to be with people who are like that. People who wouldn't hang out with my better-dressed friends are also part of the problem too, because again there's no self-reflection, self-sacrifice, tolerance, or budging. At that point, I question why anyone would approach in the first place, and that's why I'd rather people give silent judgements than tell each other they are shitty people.
The most important thing though is I want to be around people who allow me to be wrong, and have some humility themselves. That can come from anyone fashionable or not.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;48998591]I think someone can have a strong judgement but act on that judgement in a nicer way, i.e. to give a different perspective and [I]kindly[/I] inform about it.
For instance, there's a difference between trying to tell other that they're living unhealthy lives because of their obesity and resorting to fat shaming. One builds up, the other breaks down. One brings people closer and offers security, and one attempts to exploit insecurity to separate. (Intentions don't matter.)
This is kind of where I think the thread is starting to unravel because I don't have a vendetta against people who try to look nice or people who think others should look nice - I don't believe I'd look down upon someone who is overly dressed just as I wouldn't judge someone for being in a graphic tee. I wouldn't judge someone that had strong opinions either way but still listened and didn't offend.
The only reason why I can feel a little bit strongly about this is simply because I see it as hurtful to try and separate and discriminate in a way that is only positive for the person doing the discrimination. This is the problem with Eric's posts:
You can technically go around and tell everyone that they look like shit, but if you're going to be too obnoxious about it, it just screams superiority complex. "Hey, listen to me, because [I]I[/I] think you look like shit" would warrant me to say, "Okay, go away". Alternatively, "Hey, you know what helped me feel like a better person? A better wardrobe" would be a sign that they're opening up to me and I would feel comfortable opening up to them and talking about things.
If people are going to say, "you look like shit", it's going to push people into being way too defensive to accept anything. It's not welcoming or productive - it's just abusive. Not everyone responds to negativity the same, and as someone who's got some broken friends it could contribute to someone's downward spiral. If the goal is to make people more fashionable and therefore more sociable, it's counter-productive.
And because he does it and retreats to like-minded people, he's come up with his own version of normal, and starts thinking that it's the other people that are the problem. There's no self-reflection. There's no self-sacrifice. There's no tolerance. There's no budging. I don't want to be with people who are like that. People who wouldn't hang out with my better-dressed friends are also part of the problem too, because again there's no self-reflection, self-sacrifice, tolerance, or budging. At that point, I question why anyone would approach in the first place, and that's why I'd rather people give silent judgements than tell each other they are shitty people.
The most important thing though is I want to be around people who allow me to be wrong, and have some humility themselves. That can come from anyone fashionable or not.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, that sort of flat and brusque criticism was the biggest problem with the old FULS. Its much better now.
And attacking people leads to resistance and puts them on the defensive. Being inclusive is always more productive. I was honestly a huuuuge prick on the other side and actively hated and thought less of those who tried to dress nice or "cared too much" about their appearance. Now, generally, with my friends I find myself giving them tips but mostly only when relevant. Like if they're going out or have a girl coming over its usually "what the fuck is that bruv there are stains on your shirt yo lets fix this".
I do find it amusing that this topic of all things went 10 pages. Didn't think it would actually do that.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48998986]Nobody is trying to argue that judging is a terrible, horrible thing. You can judge all you want, but you need to [I]think[/I] before you say something, because not everybody thinks just like you do.[/QUOTE]
the vibe i got from eric95's posts is that the "judgmental people" are people he actually knows / people whose opinions he values. if i were with people like that too, then yea, i wouldn't mind being judged by them.
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