[QUOTE=Saber15;48975753]I like those pants. :worried:
I've got a pair sitting in my closet from when I still went camping. Incredible for camping and general outdoorsy stuff, though they end up looking fucking stupid [I]outside[/I] of camp because of the weird seam where the pants separate. And since I ended up washing the pants more than the extensions, they ended up being two different colors; horrible military olive drab for the extensions, and faded olive drab on the pants.[/QUOTE]
that's the thing tho, stuff like cargo pants and those are good for camping and outdoorsy stuff but that's about it
i don't even wear cargo shorts, i mainly am either naked or in slacks and dress shirts for my job. if i do go out and about towm its jeans and shirts with low key designs. i just think the stigma around people with bad fashion is kind of dumb. it doesn't take any factors into account like depression, which is known to make people slack off in their appearance, and which the stigmatization could send them into deeper depression. it just seems like something that is entirely cultural and fleeting that i don't get how people who are generally progressive seem to look at it as acceptable bullying. makes me a bit sad for the world
Sometimes I wear cargo pants, sometimes I wear ~professional~ looking shit, why are people acting like you can only go for one or the other? If you're just chillin and want something comfy, wear cargo pants. If you're at a careers fair, wear something fancy. Simple.
[editline]25th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48975790]that's the thing tho, stuff like cargo pants and those are good for camping and outdoorsy stuff but that's about it[/QUOTE]
They're useful for whenever you want comfortable pants.
Its like the real life fashion industry is actually run by Mugatu.
[IMG]http://tokyo-mbfashionweek.com/archive/2009/images/collection_photo/045_photo08.jpg[/IMG]
(Sorry that its a woman under all that trash, I couldn't find something as fashionable as that for men)
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48975650]they look dumb is reason enough
unless you actually need to wear cargo pants for a good reason why would you
it's like wearing those zip up shorts that turn into pants and thinking "fuckin elitism nice skinny jeans loser heh heh"[/QUOTE]
them looking dumb is entirely subjective, you know. fashion could've easily adopted them but that just isn't how fate turned. bellbottom jeans used to be fashionable, big hair used to be fashionable, neon jackets and shutter shades used to be fashionable, corsets and using meth to get skinny used to be fashionable, yet most of these would be considered bad fashion today. i can't think of many people who i have talked to who haven't said "damn we used to dress really silly back then, huh."
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48976032]them looking dumb is entirely subjective, you know. fashion could've easily adopted them but that just isn't how fate turned. bellbottom jeans used to be fashionable, big hair used to be fashionable, neon jackets and shutter shades used to be fashionable, corsets and using meth to get skinny used to be fashionable, yet most of these would be considered bad fashion today. i can't think of many people who i have talked to who haven't said "damn we used to dress really silly back then, huh."[/QUOTE]
but they don't even look silly. most other fashion items make sense in terms of emphasizing some aesthetic or body part. cargo shorts just don't a damn thing except look pretty bad. They are utility pants. You can't compare utility pants to things used in the past for fashion.
[QUOTE=paindoc;48976044]but they don't even look silly. most other fashion items make sense in terms of emphasizing some aesthetic or body part. cargo shorts just don't a damn thing except look pretty bad. They are utility pants. You can't compare utility pants to things used in the past for fashion.[/QUOTE]
Denim jeans used to be an article reserved for utility.
[QUOTE=Cone;48975495]i view fashion as an artisan hobby like any other, regardless of its more personal and publicized nature. nobody normal expects a minimum wage call center clerk to wear designer jeans just like nobody expects one to own an original Francisco Goya print. but it's your money and if it makes you feel cooler to own either, where exactly is the problem?
the main lesson is just don't be a dick about it wherever you fall on the issue. don't go in people's faces and call them cunts.[/QUOTE]
I'm not criticizing people who do blow loads and loads of money on clothes, do whatever the fuck you want. My complaint is specifically about the snobby people that thing that if you're wearing clothes under a certain price you're doing it wrong. It would be like saying someone without an original Francisco Goya is inferior and without taste.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48976115]So your peers being superficial and dumping their resources into overpriced clothing somehow makes that a positive thing?
I'm not gonna yuck anyone's yum by saying anyone who likes to play with looks is a dumb ass, but there comes a point, like the at the point that its going to seriously effect your professional life that clothes stop being a recreational and functional thing when society swallows up the corporate load of creating anxiety around and perpetuating the idea that clothes are not a want but a NEED.
Having to dress x or y way is no different than you have to spend 3 months salary on a rock with an entirely artificial price tag.[/QUOTE]
what a load of bull, price has nothing to do with it
it's probably cheaper to look nice than to have a drawer full of graphic tees
[editline]24th October 2015[/editline]
they run like what, $20-40 per shirt?
go visit a thrift store god damn
[editline]24th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48976211]I'm not criticizing people who do blow loads and loads of money on clothes, do whatever the fuck you want. My complaint is specifically about the snobby people that thing that if you're wearing clothes under a certain price you're doing it wrong. It would be like saying someone without an original Francisco Goya is inferior and without taste.[/QUOTE]
i have never seen anyone who cares about their appearance dick ride expensive brands
what i have seen are people who [I]supposedly[/I] don't care about their appearance call people who do elitists while saying shit like slim jeans are for fags and fashionable people are just "corporate sheep" or douchebags, like you instantly become a "fuckboy normie" if you look good
[QUOTE=Furioso;48976062]Denim jeans used to be an article reserved for utility.[/QUOTE]
Well you got me there :v:
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48976115]So your peers being superficial and dumping their resources into overpriced clothing somehow makes that a positive thing?
I'm not gonna yuck anyone's yum by saying anyone who likes to play with looks is a dumb ass, but there comes a point, like the at the point that its going to seriously effect your professional life that clothes stop being a recreational and functional thing when society swallows up the corporate load of creating anxiety around and perpetuating the idea that clothes are not a want but a NEED.
Having to dress x or y way is no different than you have to spend 3 months salary on a rock with an entirely artificial price tag.[/QUOTE]
I never said I supported overpriced clothes. You can quite easily dress nicer for the exact same price of dressing any other way. No one in FULS has hard on for overpriced brands. Hell you can go to H&M and dress pretty damn nice for really cheap.
To be honest men's fashion, what guys actually wear, can pretty much be summed up in 4 pictures
[t]http://rarebirdfinds.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/24/hoodie2.jpg[/t][t]http://gcmag.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Banner-10465826696_060d2ef5ba_b.jpg[/t][t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/c8/4c/90c84c784d46b0b8f5a2a9d799dc2343.jpg[/t][t]http://images.bloomingdales.com/is/image/BLM/products/3/optimized/1247493_fpx.tif?wid=1200&qlt=90,0&layer=comp&op_sharpen=0&resMode=sharp2&op_usm=0.7,1.0,0.5,0&fmt=jpeg[/t]
hoodie, flannel, t-shirt, polo, jeans
change the color, logos, and designs to your liking and bam there's the secret that is how to men's clothes really, it's not hard
this is like 90 percent of what I've seen guys wear my entire life
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48976461]To be honest men's fashion, what guys actually wear, can pretty much be summed up in 4 pictures
[t]http://rarebirdfinds.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/24/hoodie2.jpg[/t][t]http://gcmag.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Banner-10465826696_060d2ef5ba_b.jpg[/t][t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/c8/4c/90c84c784d46b0b8f5a2a9d799dc2343.jpg[/t][t]http://images.bloomingdales.com/is/image/BLM/products/3/optimized/1247493_fpx.tif?wid=1200&qlt=90,0&layer=comp&op_sharpen=0&resMode=sharp2&op_usm=0.7,1.0,0.5,0&fmt=jpeg[/t]
hoodie, flannel, t-shirt, polo, jeans
change the color, logos, and designs to your liking and bam there's the secret that is how to men's clothes really, it's not hard
this is like 90 percent of what I've seen guys wear my entire life[/QUOTE]
Other than that, if you want to look more professional a suit works just fine. Seriously, even if you are like 80 pounds overweight, you can't go wrong with a suit.
[editline]24th October 2015[/editline]
Hell scratch that, you don't even need a full suit. Just get some dress shoes, a pair of dress pants, a nice dress shirt (+ an underneath t obviously) and a tie and you're fucking set. You can get this all for under 80 bucks which is about the same as some Graphic Tees a pair of cargo pants/jeans.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48976461]To be honest men's fashion, what guys actually wear, can pretty much be summed up in 4 pictures
[t]http://rarebirdfinds.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/24/hoodie2.jpg[/t][t]http://gcmag.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Banner-10465826696_060d2ef5ba_b.jpg[/t][t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/c8/4c/90c84c784d46b0b8f5a2a9d799dc2343.jpg[/t][t]http://images.bloomingdales.com/is/image/BLM/products/3/optimized/1247493_fpx.tif?wid=1200&qlt=90,0&layer=comp&op_sharpen=0&resMode=sharp2&op_usm=0.7,1.0,0.5,0&fmt=jpeg[/t]
hoodie, flannel, t-shirt, polo, jeans
change the color, logos, and designs to your liking and bam there's the secret that is how to men's clothes really, it's not hard
this is like 90 percent of what I've seen guys wear my entire life[/QUOTE]
accidental disagree but
even this is better. I have all sorts of pants, but fancy button ups personally along with a couple pairs of shoes. I don't have any terribly specialized items, most stuff I buy I try to keep it adaptable. H&M is honestly stupendously cheap and is one of the few places I can get jeans that actually fit... I don't know, it seems there's a lot of hostility. I was completely wrong on the utility items bit admittedly, my bad.
I've never advocated in previous posts for demeaning others based purely on how they dress. I know I used to stereotype those who dressed similar to how I do now as dumber fuckbois and shit, but once I got to college I find that there's more people dressed like this in the upper levels of academia. The cargo's+polo's thing seems to fade away by the time most students are juniors :v:
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48974761]They fit me pretty well actually...they're called boot-cut because the openings of the legs at the bottom are wider to accommodate a boot. I just like the way they cover my shoes. Please no bully.[/QUOTE]
A. No they don't. B. I know what they are, don't patronise me. C. Hitler liked his moustache and some people like their fedoras and brony shirts..
[editline]24th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Furioso;48975735]Wear whatever makes you feel confident in your appearance.
[I]Done[/I].
[editline]24th October 2015[/editline]
I knew a shaggy dude that wore nothing but cargo shorts, loose tank tops and big dumb athletic shoes and high socks. He was charismatic enough to score more babes than most of the "clean and well-dressed" dudes I know. Appearance can help, but it matters less than you all seem to think.[/QUOTE]
Yeah right I could fuck as many slutty crack slags as I want regardless of how I dressed too but there comes a point where the cost of STI tests exceed the price of good clothing. Also "scoring babes" is a very childish objectification of women. No self respecting woman is going to give even a passing glance to you if you dress like a slob. Same goes for girls. No self respecting guy is going to go for the trashy girl who's had too much to drink and smokes through her stoma. Personal appearance is pretty important in life, superficial or not, that's how it works.
Men's fashion is just weird and stupid. (like the kind the fashion industry pushes)
Dress simple and functional, that's all you need.
I like short legged pants :(
[editline]24th October 2015[/editline]
Young men's fashion 2015
[t]https://i.imgur.com/WeYCctz.jpg[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/wfOw7Tm.jpg[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/hOVFIOn.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Psycho9182;48976802]I like short legged pants :(
[editline]24th October 2015[/editline]
Young men's fashion 2015
[t]https://i.imgur.com/WeYCctz.jpg[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/wfOw7Tm.jpg[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/hOVFIOn.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
despite seeing it everywhere i'm always surprised how much of an influence the sadboy aesthetic has had
Just don't wear matching cloths (red pants + red shirt, etc) and you're fine.
[QUOTE=zerosix;48975393]i wonder how many girls you pull[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/2anl5g-i.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=draugur;48976609]Yeah right I could fuck as many slutty crack slags as I want regardless of how I dressed too but there comes a point where the cost of STI tests exceed the price of good clothing. Also "scoring babes" is a very childish objectification of women. No self respecting woman is going to give even a passing glance to you if you dress like a slob. Same goes for girls. No self respecting guy is going to go for the trashy girl who's had too much to drink and smokes through her stoma. Personal appearance is pretty important in life, superficial or not, that's how it works.[/QUOTE]
this is exactly what i meant when i said that there's this pervasive classism. look at the language you're using, you're practically saying he's some poor white trash punk and literally the only thing you know about him is he dresses kinda shitty in your opinion and attracted chicks. you instantly put him in this position where you're better and above him by what clothes he wears. is this right to you?
You have to go to very special places to see the kind of clothing he used as examples. Places we don't talk about.
[QUOTE=paindoc;48975587]Think about it then, if we're going more with things besides girls.
If you're at a job fair at your college thats even somewhat casual, what looks better to a company looking for professional candidates (especially considering HR types run these fairs anyways): someone wearing generic cargo pants and graphic tees, or someone that puts even an iota of effort into their appearance? Upping how you look can be literally as simple as wearing nicer fitting jeans or pants, a clean and simple pair of shoes (leather boots are great for how cozy they can be), and a pullover sweater. Its a super standard look, but it looks loads better than the other option
Not to mention, at least for me, upping my appearance was a pretty nice self confidence boost. I just felt I looked better, because I did. I was such a terrible edgelord that I thought trying to dress nice was below me, looking nice belonged to people less intelligent than me since truly it was whats inside that counted. appearance is superficial. girls who couldn't see that weren't worth my time (oh, god). Cargo shorts, graphic tees, and completely unkempt hair were my standard routine. Because trying to look nice was pointless and not the sign of someone who was actually [I]smart[/I] like me. god, I was a prick.
Looks aren't everything. But they can make you feel better, and first impressions with employers, professors, people at career fairs are important. I've had a professor or two complement me for "looking professional" and nothing I do is like the tryhard "be unique" snowflake fashion from the video. I don't think its fair to demean someone for how they look or choosing to not do this, but it really really isn't that hard to do even a touch about your appearance. It shows others that you do care about how you look and your image, and the reasons for that don't have to be completely superficial at all.[/QUOTE]
If I'm in a professional setting, I'll put on professional clothes. But if I'm not in a professional setting, I'm gonna wanna look like me and be around people who will accept me - part of that is how I dress. If people are going to be offended or judgmental then I probably wouldn't want to hang out with them anyway, and I'll just continue to kick it with friends.
I'm looking to change my wardrobe but it's definitely going to raise certain people's red flags - I already know it. But I don't care, I [I]want[/I] to look like something that others would call trash, because the people I do want to ease up to won't look at it like that. You can't please everyone, and even if you can I don't want to be boring.
Here's what I'll totally agree with you on though, [B]your looks are part of your identity[/B]. It's your first impression. It's your own marketing. I've been lazy with this part of my identity for a long time, partially because I've exerted force in other aspects of my life like my music and stuff like that, but I am going to change what I wear.
[editline]25th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48976461]To be honest men's fashion, what guys actually wear, can pretty much be summed up [as] hoodie, flannel, t-shirt, polo, jeans
change the color, logos, and designs to your liking and bam there's the secret that is how to men's clothes really, it's not hard
this is like 90 percent of what I've seen guys wear my entire life[/QUOTE]
I've seen things go a little more eccentric, but in a way that's pretty comforting. Most of the people I know in life are going out in explosive graphic tees under flannel shirts or sweaters, or very basic button-ups. It doesn't look bad, but it's "imperfect" and doesn't abide by fashionable standards. That's fine with me, because I have little to none. I don't care.
Most of the sociable people I've seen just aren't fashionable to the degree that a few people people judge harshly for.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48977770]this is exactly what i meant when i said that there's this pervasive classism. look at the language you're using, you're practically saying he's some poor white trash punk and literally the only thing you know about him is he dresses kinda shitty in your opinion and attracted chicks. you instantly put him in this position where you're better and above him by what clothes he wears. is this right to you?[/QUOTE]
If you dress in fucking scummy clothes, yes, I do think so. Dressing clean and decently is so fucking easy that it speaks volumes about the character of a person. Ever have that mate who's house is a fucking wreck with trash on the floors, maybe ash from smoking, alcohol bottles, shit like that? Dressing decently is like keeping your house clean, if you've got a fucking trash heap I'm going to judge the fuck out of you because you're too fucking lazy to clean. Laziness is not an attractive feature in any way. Like comfort ends where cleanliness begins. Did well fitting jeans and decently clean shirts kick your dog or something?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;48977931]I've seen things go a little more eccentric, but in a way that's pretty comforting. Most of the people I know in life are going out in explosive graphic tees under flannel shirts or sweaters, or very basic button-ups. It doesn't look bad, but it's "imperfect" and doesn't abide by fashionable standards. That's fine with me, because I have little to none. I don't care.
Most of the sociable people I've seen just aren't fashionable to the degree that a few people people judge harshly for.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.redbubble.com/people/arcstuff/works/9416694-mega-milk?p=t-shirt]this is all the fashion you need anyway[/url]
is there really any good reason not to look/dress above average?
there are literally no minuses in putting some effort into your appearance
[QUOTE=NotMeh;48978094]is there really any good reason not to look/dress above average?
there are literally no minuses in putting some effort into your appearance[/QUOTE]
Especially if you take into account how much time women put into their appearances when they go out. Some girls spend upwards of an hour on make-up and shit.
[QUOTE=draugur;48978088]If you dress in fucking scummy clothes, yes, I do think so. Dressing clean and decently is so fucking easy that it speaks volumes about the character of a person. Ever have that mate who's house is a fucking wreck with trash on the floors, maybe ash from smoking, alcohol bottles, shit like that? Dressing decently is like keeping your house clean, if you've got a fucking trash heap I'm going to judge the fuck out of you because you're too fucking lazy to clean. Laziness is not an attractive feature in any way. Like comfort ends where cleanliness begins. Did well fitting jeans and decently clean shirts kick your dog or something?[/QUOTE]
Because everything is just as easy for everyone else as it is for you.
[QUOTE=draugur;48978088]If you dress in fucking scummy clothes, yes, I do think so. Dressing clean and decently is so fucking easy that it speaks volumes about the character of a person. Ever have that mate who's house is a fucking wreck with trash on the floors, maybe ash from smoking, alcohol bottles, shit like that? Dressing decently is like keeping your house clean, if you've got a fucking trash heap I'm going to judge the fuck out of you because you're too fucking lazy to clean. Laziness is not an attractive feature in any way. Like comfort ends where cleanliness begins. Did well fitting jeans and decently clean shirts kick your dog or something?[/QUOTE]
I wear sweatpants all the time, and shirts that don't exactly fit and are usually too large, because I don't have any other option, I have no money for clothes and no ability to get them. Everything I wear has been donated to me. I didn't shave regularly until recently because my only razor blade was like fucking years old and [I]well[/I] past its prime. When I can get clothes, the only place I can shop for it is Goodwill, and you're not exactly going to get the 100 percent best fit and fashion at Goodwill.
Hopefully, I can make this change soon. But this shit ain't my fault, it doesn't make me lazy, it makes me unfortunate. Do I dress like shit? Of course, and I'm not ashamed of that one bit, hell, I'll put it right out there like I'm proud of it. But I'm not about to have anyone call me trashy because I don't get to dress ~clean and decently~.
But no, better to just assume I'm some lazy, trashy douchebag, let's all judge a book by its cover
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honestly if women's fashion wasn't so fucking cute I'd dress the exact same ghetto ass way I do now when I don't need to just to fuck with people like this
[QUOTE=draugur;48978088]Did well fitting jeans and decently clean shirts kick your dog or something?[/QUOTE]
Isn't this not about cleanliness of clothes and more about [I]what type[/I] of clothes people wear? Like this whole thread is about fashion, not cleanliness.
Also, it's hard and expensive to get well fitting jeans when you're going down a size every 2 months :s:.
[QUOTE=zerosix;48975393]i wonder how many girls you pull[/QUOTE]
Just because you don't follow the latest fashion trends doesn't mean you look like untidy shit. Wear clean clothes that fit you, and anyone you'd care to pick up will be fine with it. You can't dress up a shit personality, though.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;48978183]Isn't this not about cleanliness of clothes and more about [I]what type[/I] of clothes people wear? Like this whole thread is about fashion, not cleanliness.
Also, it's hard and expensive to get well fitting jeans when you're going down a size every 2 months :s:.[/QUOTE]
i'd say looking clean is pretty fashionable
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