[QUOTE=Skyward;48981660]If you see a guy wearing trenchcoat, fedora, cargo shorts and a band t-shirt and looks like he hasn't showered or cleaned his face in a month... I can see why people would judge that. But if you're telling me you think its A-okay to look at this average looking motherfucker:
And judge the shit out of him because of his [I]horrendous lack of fashion sense[/I], then [I][B]wow.[/B][/I][/QUOTE]
I do have to agree with that. There's nothing wrong with being "average" in terms of fashion sense. Better than trying to be a special snowflake tbqh
[QUOTE=zerosix;48981318]it looks fine in that it fits well and it isn't dirty smelly old shit, but it's just bland and boring. the kinda stuff you just pick off a rail and say yeah that'll do and throw a few quid at the cashier. to me that represents a bland a boring personality[/QUOTE]
So if someone doesn't go out of their way, every day to be fashion forward, or sorry, you would prefer the term "effort" but you define that in such a subjective way, what that person thinks or who that person is irrelavent to you? They're bland people?
You see, this is what I'm upset by, not what you people say about fashion, but how you maintain this lack of self awareness and just insistence on shallowness being a great tool. See below.
[QUOTE=paindoc;48981324]It is an objective fact though that clothing sharply affects our perceptions of people, whether you like it or not. On a deep level, it does not matter in terms of defining the whole of a person, but it sharply colors first impressions. So many studies have been done demonstrating this effect. Looking better is not some mystical or super crazy science, there are a few small things that can be done to take one miles. So stating that someone who puts more effort into their appearance looks better than someone who does not is objective. And I didn't throw personal jibes at anyone here, didnt mention any names or make fun of someone. Literally just said zerosix objectively looks better than those who don't try at all.[/QUOTE]
Sure it's an objective fact it applies, but what is not objective about this is WHAT those factors are for each person. They are subjective, acting like there's an objective rule to how people should look to best impress everyone is ridiculous and untrue. Effort =/= You or anyone elses so called "Objective" opinions.
What was that cargo short crap? How is that not a jibe at me or this threads opposition to you? It's obvious that it is. You assume "Cargo shorts", that's what we're all so fond of. I don't mean to act like I give a shit, but you're wrong, objectively(You see, this is the correct use of objective because I can point to you literally saying this) but you did make jibes.
The fact certain people look better or worse is not what I'm disputing. The scale you call objective and your own is what i'm debating and arguing with.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;48981696]I do have to agree with that. There's nothing wrong with being "average" in terms of fashion sense. Better than trying to be a special snowflake tbqh[/QUOTE]
i'm not into fashion because i want to be special, what i like is looking neat and well presented
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48981663]I don't think that, but I also think anyone who wears a trench coat and combat boots in 100 degree weather looks like either a tool or like hes on the way to go bag him some school children.[/QUOTE]
That's fair enough. I just dress practically, so if it's excessively cold or raining hard I'll break out my trench, and for the longest time my most reliable pair of shoes were my old combat boots. You can understand why "If you own a trench-coat and combat boots you're going to shoot up a school :^)" bothers me.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48981782]i'm not into fashion because i want to be special, what i like is looking neat and well presented[/QUOTE]
Right, but calling out certain styles as "average" or whatever is just disingenuous. It's "average" because it's what works. 80% of my button downs are plaid and I don't give a shit.
Now I ain't saying that's what's going on with most people, but fashion is quite a unique thing and generally people can be rather shortsighted about what really works and what doesn't.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48981663]I don't think that, but I also think anyone who wears a trench coat and combat boots in 100 degree weather looks like either a tool or like hes on the way to go bag him some school children.[/QUOTE]
Well that explains your view on combat boots.
But look at where flagdog says that I'm from!
It's wet and cold here and soon there'll be snow. Even our summers are usually chill enough for combat-boots to be adequate.
[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;48981838]Well that explains your view on combat boots.
But look at where flagdog says that I'm from!
It's wet and cold here and soon there'll be snow. Even our summers are usually chill enough for combat-boots to be adequate.[/QUOTE]
Hey man if you've got a good reason to warrant boots like that only the worst of the worst will seriously judge you.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48981025]It's when you start saying shit like that I just don't care, you're either joking and you're just not able to write a better joke, like a funny one, or you're like a large amount of the internet, actually so self assured of your opinions that you really do honestly think you hold objective opinions about something as nebulously subjective as "fashion". [/QUOTE]
For future reference: Cop-out posts that fail to make the other person look awkward
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48981048]also calm the fuck down, geez[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]uhh[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]why do you care[/QUOTE]
Shit like that. Nothing that HumanAbyss wrote was bad or over the top.
This is also kind of the problem that I have with people who are way too focused on fashion - it becomes one of their methods of validating another person's existence, and it becomes the binary distinction between someone normal and an fat-idiot-manchild, apparently. And when that's the case, I just don't give a shit. No one needs these socially incompetent people who judge too heavily on things like fashion salting the earth - literally, it's not needed. Rolling back to a previous statement:
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48976461]To be honest men's fashion, what guys actually wear, can pretty much be summed up in 4 pictures
[t]http://rarebirdfinds.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/24/hoodie2.jpg[/t][t]http://gcmag.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Banner-10465826696_060d2ef5ba_b.jpg[/t][t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/c8/4c/90c84c784d46b0b8f5a2a9d799dc2343.jpg[/t][t]http://images.bloomingdales.com/is/image/BLM/products/3/optimized/1247493_fpx.tif?wid=1200&qlt=90,0&layer=comp&op_sharpen=0&resMode=sharp2&op_usm=0.7,1.0,0.5,0&fmt=jpeg[/t]
hoodie, flannel, t-shirt, polo, jeans[/QUOTE]
Most people on my college campus look like this with some deviation, and it's fine. It's not a big deal. If I saw someone wearing this around me I'd think they're a down-to-earth, simple person. I wouldn't jump the gun and say, "wow, what lazy fuckers. not worth my time". I wouldn't feel dissuaded to talk to them. The only risk there is not standing out, but it's not everyone's goal to stand out, or to always be fresh, and more importantly fresh [I]for you[/I].
[QUOTE=paindoc;48981324]It is an objective fact though that clothing sharply affects our perceptions of people, whether you like it or not. On a deep level, it does not matter in terms of defining the whole of a person, but it sharply colors first impressions. So many studies have been done demonstrating this effect. Looking better is not some mystical or super crazy science, there are a few small things that can be done to take one miles. So stating that someone who puts more effort into their appearance looks better than someone who does not is objective. And I didn't throw personal jibes at anyone here, didnt mention any names or make fun of someone. Literally just said zerosix objectively looks better than those who don't try at all.[/QUOTE]
Right - and that's not a problem. The problem is when people are looking for advice and they get shot down, or when people aren't looking for advice and it becomes people's motives to evaluate their entire existence based on their clothes - when it becomes the means for instant dismissal over something arbitrary like the choice of material for a long-sleeved shirt. The problem is also when fashion is so clearly defined with these constraints that say "If you wear a hoodie with a solid-color T-Shirt, you're out of date and clearly not trying hard enough, but if you wear an Oxford shirt you're hot shit." People who try to explain what's fashionable nowadays end up trying to push everyone into this sandbox of fashion when there's far more ways to look fine for anyone except for overanalyzing twats.
There comes a point where judgements of fashion stop being normal human behaviors and become their own form of antisocial retardation, and I think that it's best that people make sure they're as far away from that as reasonable. I've got friends who are living productive lives with lots of friends, and he looks like the second guy in that quote. So obviously his fashion sense isn't stopping him from doing a whole lot in social situations, is it?
i wear band shirts every single day im fashionable as fuck fam
i just go for whatever is practical and inexpensive. There's no point in spending much money in clothing when I'm just going to get naked anyway.
My problem with fashion is not even how dumb it looks sometimes, i just don't understand the whole concept. Like, there is a bunch of fashion companies that have an exclusive right to produce any shit they want, and that shit automatically becomes fashionable just because these companies make fashionable shit. It's like some vicious cycle or something. I mean, i just can't get my head around the fact that some guys tell the whole world that their stuff is cool and the world actually believes them. And it's not even solely a fashion problem by the way, pretty much the same thing happens in other art directions too (see all that modern art paintings that cost absolutely crazy even though their actual art value is really arguable).
[QUOTE=antianan;48982188]My problem with fashion is not even how dumb it looks sometimes, i just don't understand the whole concept. Like, there is a bunch of fashion companies that have an exclusive right to produce any shit they want, and that shit automatically becomes fashionable just because these companies make fashionable shit. It's like some vicious cycle or something. I mean, i just can't get my head around the fact that some guys tell the whole world that their stuff is cool and the world actually believes them. And it's not even solely a fashion problem by the way, pretty much the same thing happens in other art directions too (see all that modern art paintings that cost absolutely crazy even though their actual art value is really arguable).[/QUOTE]
Because they are lying to us but they know that some idiots will believe them. They're not trying to sell their shit to you, they're aiming it at them.
It's like the obviously fake emails sent to everyone about how they've just inherited thousands of dollars. The scammers are targeting only the dumbest of people because they know that those people exist and there is money to be made off them.
Here's another point: so let's say that I follow through and actually adjust my fashion standards to meet the ultimate fashionable criteria, what then? Is that the end of it? Am I going to have to change anything else, like perhaps the way I converse so I can appease those who wouldn't consider me because of my previous fashion? Because I like conversing about a lot of different subjects - some stuff a bit heavy and some stuff a bit nerdy. Oh, and how about the music I listen to? It's probably not sociable to listen to the Interstellar soundtrack on commutes and road trips. And the car I drive? And where I work? And what I do? And my passions? Political stances? Because those certainly aren't fashionable either.
Let's get things straight: [I]I[/I] am not a fashionable person. I am weird and out there. I'm not a compliment of society - I'm just right of it. And the people I enjoy are just right of it too. And, for the most part, we're self-aware. There's a difference between being self-aware and self-confident - I am self-aware that I won't vibe with most people, and therefore don't give a shit. I'm not trying to calculate a wardrobe that is agreeable alongside viewpoints that are agreeable alongside hobbies that are sociable. Short of the music I create and the little projects I work on, I'm not looking for society to accept me.
But don't worry, because [I]I'm[/I] not self-aware because I have a shirt that's a little too long, or a graphic tee with something I like on it, or perhaps some jeans that aren't closely fitted. It's not like I'm invited to social gatherings or anything like that because of my eccentricities and my lackluster fashion, and it's not like I have any friends whatsoever. Except, I am and I do.
The people that are quick to announce that others aren't self-aware happen to be the same people who get really offended when people talk about video games and anime - like they're two black holes of antisocial behavior. They try their hardest to look above these things, and to look apathetic, and to be the epitome of greatness. Yet, at the same time, that's all there is to their personality, and they're just boring people. There's these clearly defined walls they set up for themselves when it comes to what they can wear and what they're allowed to think, and they box themselves in. Because they're so afraid to look anti-social in even the slightest, or not daring enough to add depth to themselves, they just end up being nobodies - at least no one I'd ever want to hang out with for sure.
Back in high school, I used to rock a simple outfit: a white tee and jeans. There was this girl that said she'd totally date me if it weren't for what I wore. Absolutely nothing to her, whatsoever, and the girlfriend I got shortly after was far more interesting, far more fun, and far closer to about every person I've ever been with. And the actual person I am most closest to is the biggest, most direct antithesis to everything that society has to offer - a complete rulebreaker - and I think he's improved upon me far more than any person that has told me "no".
That's why fashion [I]should[/I] be considered in creating your physical identity, but not sacrificing anything you enjoy or stand for. Don't be worried about what others want or expect of you - just think about being who you want to be in society and the right people will come to you.
Wow, the fashion statements are strong in this thread.
By the end of the day, just don't wear something that makes you look like a tool or a transgender.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;48979808]Not really, all those pockets add to bulk and totally ruin the way the clothes look. Plus, you just don't need all of those pockets.
If you want pants that aren't jeans, just wear chinos.
[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna be honest. Cargo pants are great.
For work. Don't believe? Wear a pair of Dickies are realize that fucker has like 6 different fucking pockets.
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Also, its really painful to read people judging others by how they dress who will then turn it around state you can't judge someone else for how they dress. How about, we don't give a fuck, fucking relax and if you wanna make a statement, actually commit to an action or statement.
[QUOTE=zerosix;48981318]to me that represents a bland a boring personality[/QUOTE]
I more often negatively judge people overdressed as fuck with no particular occasion than I ever do someone rocking plain jeans and a tee.
It's one thing to have fashion as a hobby, but it's another to actually assume you're bolstering a personality by wearing senselessly fancy shit. There are people who buy $100+ plain white tees because of the labels/names attached and I just can't wrap my head around that.
[QUOTE=Doom14;48983249]I more often negatively judge people overdressed as fuck with no particular occasion than I ever do someone rocking plain jeans and a tee.
It's one thing to have fashion as a hobby, but it's another to actually assume you're bolstering a personality by wearing senselessly fancy shit. There are people who buy $100+ plain white tees because of the labels/names attached and I just can't wrap my head around that.[/QUOTE]
I had a friend that went around everywhere with a long-sleeved solid colored shirt and nice-looking jeans or slacks. He was a really cool and a really slick dude, and I thought it matched his personality well. Again, it's a matter of letting people dress in whatever makes them feel comfortable without being actually offensive. (Don't wear a hentai shirt, for example.)
I mostly wear black shirts, sometimes black jeans.
Funny thing, I once forgot about a club picture that we had to dress up for, but everything worked out because we were supposed to wear all black. :v:
I think we all need to put aside our differences and understand what's really [I]in[/I] right now.
[img]http://a.tgcdn.net/images/products/zoom/e71d_minecraft_creeper_shirt.jpg[/img]
Honestly I think dressing bland or underdressing is infinitely better than someone who is visibly overdressing (looking at some of you FULS posters). If someone is just wearing jeans and a t-shirt at least it's just a guy going about his business who at worst didn't put a lot of effort into choosing his outfit.. But when I see 90lb H&M amateur models hovering around town in poorly fit and overcoordinated outfit it's a much more visceral reaction..
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48984497]tbh the only thing this all the argument in this thread proves is that fashion is the most fucking petty thing human kind has managed to make[/QUOTE]
people seem to forget that clothes are first and foremost a utility
[QUOTE=srobins;48984511]Honestly I think dressing bland or underdressing is infinitely better than someone who is visibly overdressing (looking at some of you FULS posters). If someone is just wearing jeans and a t-shirt at least it's just a guy going about his business who at worst didn't put a lot of effort into choosing his outfit.. But when I see 90lb H&M amateur models hovering around town in poorly fit and overcoordinated outfit it's a much more visceral reaction..[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone in FULS looks overdressed, really. And what's wrong with that? Admittedly, I was a pretty huge dick earlier in the thread. Don't think it was fair to say "objectively" better looking since thats pretty fucking subjective.
if you're confident and comfortable in it you can probably carry whatever you want enough to make it work for you. I know what makes me confident and comfortable, so I wear it.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48983003]
Also, its really painful to read people judging others by how they dress who will then turn it around state you can't judge someone else for how they dress. How about, we don't give a fuck, fucking relax and if you wanna make a statement, actually commit to an action or statement.[/QUOTE]
so I shouldn't let my opinion evolve and change, and should just remain entrenched?
many of you here won't have to worry about the struggle of getting into skinny jeans while mildly damp. while not for everyone i swear they are wonderfully comfy. once on. but the struggle is real.
why do people here think they're superior to people who actually do give a shit about how they look and are confident with getting attention in public lol
how can you be that insecure
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48984806]Probably the same reason why people who "give a shit" about their appearance look down on those who according to them do not[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Swilly;48983003]Also, its really painful to read people judging others by how they dress who will then turn it around state you can't judge someone else for how they dress. How about, we don't give a fuck, fucking relax and if you wanna make a statement, actually commit to an action or statement.[/QUOTE]
one of them is legitimate criticism while the other one is just whining about something they don't get or understand though
kinda like the difference between giving a proper music review and some dadrocker saying "all modern music sucks"!
the people who are more into music make fun of the dadrockers, which is justified. it's the same thing here
[QUOTE=Eric95;48984796]why do people here who say they don't care think they're superior to people who actually do give a shit about how they look and are confident with getting attention in public lol
how can you be that insecure[/QUOTE]
it is about the attitude not the hobby
[QUOTE=Saber15;48975288]What exactly is wrong with cargo pants, beyond the side pockets looking goofy most of the time?
It's too hot to wear any kind of long pants for more than half the year, and shorts are basically limited to gym shorts - ridiculous outside a gym - cargo pants, annnnd cargo pants without the side pockets.[/QUOTE]
Cargo pants are a purely utilitarian kind of fashion. They were definitely in roughly 15 years or so ago, but have gone away.
Mind you, fashion isn't based on function. That plays a merely ancillary role. Couple that with the fact that cargo pants are generally considered work pants these days and you get your answer.
They're fine for work wear. They're even fine for casual wear. But they aren't fashionable in any kind of sense. Sure you can wear them 24/7, you might even look decent in them, but that won't make them be fashionable.
They give you a handyman look. If that's what you're going for, good for you. Mind you, there's also often a difference if you're from a city or a smaller town. Cities tend to be more fashionable.
man, reading through the thread I want to believe some people just want to see other people wear nice clothing but it just comes off as complete pretentiousness and total insecurity of themselves
I almost always wear a t-shirt or tank top along with shorts and sandals, generally always being somewhere on the black-grey-white spectrum, leaning heavily towards black
am i hitler
[QUOTE=elowin;48985010]I almost always wear a t-shirt or tank top along with shorts and sandals, generally always being somewhere on the black-grey-white spectrum, leaning heavily towards black
am i hitler[/QUOTE]
Why sandals bro
[QUOTE=Luxuria;48985049]Why sandals bro[/QUOTE]
because he likes sandals? :v:
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