The Debating Thread - General

[QUOTE=Scherf!;15951235]So my sensory input and genetics have an illusion of choice? I never thought that my mind is what I [i]see[/i]... I think you have to think that over again, it's not even compatible with your "illusion" philosophy.[/QUOTE] Well your genetics are your brain, and your brain is how you think (Neurons going off). You think you have freewill, and that you aren't some kind of biological machine, but that is all you really are.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;15951269]Well your genetics are your brain, and your brain is how you think (Neurons going off). You think you have freewill, and that you aren't some kind of biological machine, but that is all you really are.[/QUOTE] My genetics are not my brain. Science shows that our genetics have very little effect on how we think. Did you even understand what I said in response to JohnnyMo1? Because that looks like the exact same argument that I countered, and a debate doesn't work by restating arguments.

[QUOTE=Scherf!;15951344]My genetics are not my brain. Science shows that our genetics have very little effect on how we think. Did you even understand what I said in response to JohnnyMo1? Because that looks like the exact same argument that I countered, and a debate doesn't work by restating arguments.[/QUOTE] That is why I added SENSORY INPUT. Our sensory input comes from two different things: The enviroment Our decisions and how they effect the world around us Genetics are a large chunk of your brain, it starts you off at a certain IQ, a certain ability to reason, different mental disorders, or normality.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;15951441]That is why I added SENSORY INPUT. Our sensory input comes from two different things: The enviroment Our decisions and how they effect the world around us Genetics are a large chunk of your brain, it starts you off at a certain IQ, a certain ability to reason, different mental disorders, or normality.[/QUOTE] Everything you said except the environment thing is wrong.

[QUOTE=Scherf!;15951546]Everything you said except the environment thing is wrong.[/QUOTE] That's cute, don't refute it just say it's wrong. Pfft, you telling me I don't how debate works.

[QUOTE=limulus54;15944278]what. you mean ethics or ethical not ethnic. also, why fear it? the worst possible outcome that I can see is severe unfairness and free labor. what you should really worry about is mind control. we have the technology to completely stop aggression via implants. ever read harrison bergeron?[/QUOTE] My bad. :sax: We should fear cloning because unfair labor is very bad. And I'm sorry, I really didn't catch onto your point about mind control.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;15951560]That's cute, don't refute it just say it's wrong. Pfft, you telling me I don't how debate works.[/QUOTE] I just thought it would be more compact than stating facts like genetics [i]aren't[/i] a large chunk of your brain, they [i]don't[/i] start you off at a certain IQ, ability to reason, mental disorders or normality.

[QUOTE=Scherf!;15951546]Everything you said except the environment thing is wrong.[/QUOTE] Nice, I can tell you're a master debator. Anyways, stem cell research is fine. If people don't want fetus's, should we just throw them in a dumpster? Pfft no, that's like throwing away a solid gold brick just because its former owner no longer wanted it. Put it to good use, save some lives. I know that EVERYONE would rather a baby live than die, but because of desperate times, desperate measures are taken (the baby is killed in the womb.) However, that baby doesn't have to die in vain. In death, it can save many, many lives. I'm pro-choice (not pro-death. There is a difference.) and pro-stem cell research.

[QUOTE=Scherf!;15951801]I just thought it would be more compact than stating facts like genetics [i]aren't[/i] a large chunk of your brain, they [i]don't[/i] start you off at a certain IQ, ability to reason, mental disorders or normality.[/QUOTE] Alright, even though you still are just saying "no you are wrong" and providing nothing to back it up, i'll try to serve you. IQ doesn't change, and this fixed score is blamed by the majority of pyschologists on genetics. Your reason doesn't significantly change unless a huge event happens in your life, or you have some sort of brain trauma. This is blamed on how you are born, and how you are raised. Mental disorders are genetic for the most part, and you are born with them or without them. Ex. Bipolar disorder

[QUOTE=Scherf!;15951020]First, define who "I" am.[/QUOTE] you are as you are perceived.

[QUOTE=Scherf!;15951801]I just thought it would be more compact than stating facts like genetics [i]aren't[/i] a large chunk of your brain, they [i]don't[/i] start you off at a certain IQ, ability to reason, mental disorders or normality.[/QUOTE] Unfortunate you had to go and get permabanned. There goes our whole "debate" [editline]10:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=limulus54;15952097]you are as you are perceived.[/QUOTE] No, you can be a sick and twisted pyschopath, and no-one will ever know how fucked up you are.

This thread isn't working. It's difficult to start a fire with wet wood.

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[QUOTE=Oecleus;15952159]Unfortunate you had to go and get permabanned. There goes our whole "debate" [editline]10:23PM[/editline] No, you can be a sick and twisted pyschopath, and no-one will ever know how fucked up you are.[/QUOTE] perception is not limited to others. you perceive yourself.

[QUOTE=limulus54;15952332]perception is not limited to others. you perceive yourself.[/QUOTE] You can be mentally insane and out of touch with reality, your senses aren't infallible. By the way, you phrased your first sentence very poorly. When you are percieved you are usually talking about other peoples perception of you.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;15952524]You can be mentally insane and out of touch with reality, your senses aren't infallible. By the way, you phrased your first sentence very poorly. When you are percieved you are usually talking about other peoples perception of you.[/QUOTE] if you believe you're sane, and everyone else believes you're sane, then you are, because there isn't another sentient being to dispute it, so until there's evidence to change peoples minds, you are sane in every way. [sp]no objective reality for you :smug:[/sp]

But what if I'm alone, and believe I'm sane/insane. What dose that make me?

[QUOTE=NecronLord15;15952623]But what if I'm alone, and believe I'm sane/insane. What dose that make me?[/QUOTE] whatever you believe you are.

[QUOTE=limulus54;15952592]if you believe you're sane, and everyone else believes you're sane, then you are, because there isn't another sentient being to dispute it, so until there's evidence to change peoples minds, you are sane in every way. [sp]no objective reality for you :smug:[/sp][/QUOTE] No, your perception is different from how reality is, and you can't prove that what your senses are is a reflection of how reality is because you use your flawed senses to try to figure out how reality is. But you can ignore what I just said, because what if you believed you were sane, and everyone else thought you were insane? Perception is flawed, the only thing that is semi-certain are the neurons firing off in your brain.

But what if I am insane, but I perceive myself to be sane? Dose that make me sane because I wish it to be, Or dose it make me sane because there is noone to dispute the fact with me.

[QUOTE=limulus54;15952682]whatever you believe you are.[/QUOTE] Wrong, your thoughts aren't an accurate description of reality. Imagine a mentally insane person in a white room, with voices talking to him. Is this how reality really is? We think not, but maybe he's right and we are all flawed.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;15952762]Wrong, your thoughts aren't an accurate description of reality. Imagine a mentally insane person in a white room, with voices talking to him. Is this how reality really is? We think not, but maybe he's right and we are all flawed.[/QUOTE] it would be how reality is, if he was the only person in the universe. [editline]11:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Oecleus;15952736]No, your perception is different from how reality is, and you can't prove that what your senses are is a reflection of how reality is because you use your flawed senses to try to figure out how reality is. But you can ignore what I just said, because what if you believed you were sane, and everyone else thought you were insane? Perception is flawed, the only thing that is semi-certain are the neurons firing off in your brain.[/QUOTE] what if you are part of an ancestry program? then you have no neurons.

[QUOTE=Yobdren;15952176]This thread isn't working. It's difficult to start a fire with wet wood.[/QUOTE] prepubescent and unintelligent wood

[QUOTE=limulus54;15952919]it would be how reality is, if he was the only person in the universe.[/QUOTE] No no no.. You are saying that reality is how we percieve it to be, when we can tell that sensory perception isn't always accurate. Take a mentally insane person in a empty room hearing voices.. [editline]11:03PM[/editline] [QUOTE=limulus54;15952919]what if you are part of an ancestry program? then you have no neurons.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about?

If a man touches wood, and it feels like wood, and it looks like wood, but he dose not believe it to be wood...Is it or is it not wood? This is the argu---Debate being carried out currently, i think.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;15952964]No no no.. You are saying that reality is how we percieve it to be, when we can tell that sensory perception isn't always accurate. Take a mentally insane person in a empty room hearing voices.. [editline]11:03PM[/editline] What the fuck are you talking about?[/QUOTE] the short description: a program that simulates the entire history/future of a planet/universe and all the beings within it to the extent that they have a consciousness.

You believe in the matrix?

[QUOTE=limulus54;15953064]the short description: a program that simulates the entire history/future of a planet/universe and all the beings within it to the extent that they have a consciousness.[/QUOTE] I think neurons are a more proven theory then some kind of generated game.

[QUOTE=NecronLord15;15953140]You believe in the matrix?[/QUOTE] I accept a similar idea as a possibility, yes. [editline]11:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Oecleus;15953162]I think neurons are a more proven theory then some kind of generated game.[/QUOTE] it would also simulate neurons, so we could have proven neurons within our own program, if such a thing existed, which it very well could.

[QUOTE=limulus54;15953169]I accept a similar idea as a possibility, yes. [editline]11:14PM[/editline] it would also simulate neurons, so we could have proven neurons within our own program, if such a thing existed, which it very well could.[/QUOTE] We have proof of neurons, explain to me the proof that reality is how you believe it to be.