With Open Gates: Video on the EU refugee crisis. - General

[QUOTE=Jordax;49084818]Both my grandparents were war refugees, who came to the Netherlands in the 50s. They are both angry and worried about this since those 'refugees' don't act like people fleeing from a war at all. Those new ''refugees'' rather complain about the Dutch food not being their taste, that the country is too cold, that the nearby forest smells of wood, that they don't get as much money as was told, and that they are bored, instead of, you know, [B]being happy that they are in a safe country instead of having a major chance to get killed.[/B] Especially my grandfather can get seriously mad over this considering that he was interred in a Jappenkamp during the Second World War, almost died of famine during that, and then got shot at as a kid during the National Revolution that took place not long after the Japanese surrender. This stuff scars you for life, and as he argued, if you went through all that, and finally get to a safe, peaceful country, you are not going to complain about getting served perfectly fine bread with peanut butter for breakfast instead of your local speciality dish. Or going to complain about the country taking you in without even showing even the tiniest bit of gratitude. That isn't how actual war refugees act at all.[/QUOTE] 100% agree dude, These people do not act like victims of war. They act like an invasive mob. EU goverments, especially germany's are so retarded for letting this happen.

[QUOTE=Jordax;49084818] Those new ''refugees'' rather complain about the Dutch food not being their taste, that the country is too cold, that the nearby forest smells of wood, that they don't get as much money as was told, and that they are bored, instead of, you know, being happy that they are in a safe country instead of having a major chance to get killed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DiBBs27;49084847]100% agree dude, These people do not act like victims of war[/QUOTE] Wow, haven't heard something as stupid as that for a long time. How can you even say that "the refugees" in general are like this ? There is a shelter for refugees around 500 meters away from my house i visit three times a week and they are all more than happy to be here and to be able to have some hope in their lifes. The only thing you are doing here is generalising...

[QUOTE=Dim;49084989]Wow, haven't heard something as stupid as that for a long time. How can you even say that "the refugees" in general are like this ? There is a shelter for refugees around 500 meters away from my house i visit three times a week and they are all more than happy to be here and to be able to have some hope in their lifes. The only thing you are doing here is generalising...[/QUOTE] From my own experience as having grandparents fleeing WW2 being refugees this is not generalising.

[QUOTE=freaka;49085026]From my own experience as having grandparents fleeing WW2 being refugees this is not generalising.[/QUOTE] I don't get your point... your grandparents fled in world war 2 and this leads you to what exactly ?

This is one of the most stupid fear-mongering videos I've seen on this topic and that's coming from someone who openly dislikes Islam and wants the Swedish border to close.

[QUOTE=Dim;49085052]I don't get your point... your grandparents fled in world war 2 and this leads you to what exactly ?[/QUOTE] They fled with everything they had, lived in a camp for over 5 years and sure as hell didnt fucking complain about how they didnt get 5 star hotel lunches like these people do. Neither did they flee across whole europe to a specific country. There are certainly people who are grateful for what they got but so many of these people coming to Sweden are NOT your average refugee. They are people wearing brand jackets, Iphones and have expensive clothings. Doesnt that tell you a lot of about those people? The real refugees needing help are still stuck in their countries that they are trying to flee from. If you honestly believe there is nothing wrong with the current refugee stream I cant help but believe that you havnt been outdoors in over 6 years.

[QUOTE=freaka;49085111]They fled with everything they had, lived in a camp for over 5 years and sure as hell didnt fucking complain about how they didnt get 5 star hotel lunches like these people do.[/QUOTE] Wow dude, i think i see what your problem is now... you have never talked to a refugee have you ? You heard that they "want 5 star lunches" from i don`t know where and just thought :"yeah that`s probably how it is, let`s just go with that". I would really advise you to go visit some of these people, then you might get to know a few of their real problems such as: - Is my daughter/mother/sister/father/wife still alive ? - Will this camp be attacked by right wing activists aswell ? [QUOTE=freaka;49085111]If you honestly believe there is nothing wrong with the current refugee stream I cant help but believe that you havnt been outdoors in over 6 years.[/QUOTE] Interesting number, why exactly over 6 years ? ^^

[QUOTE=Dim;49085163]Wow dude, i think i see what your problem is now... you have never talked to a refugee have you ? You heard that they "want 5 star lunches" from i don`t know where and just thought :"yeah that`s probably how it is, let`s just go with that". [/quote] Have YOU ever talked to a refugee? And by this I mean a REAL refugee. A refugee implies somebody that has fled their homecountry with nothing else but their own skin intact and have suffered way more psychological damage than you could ever imagine. By this point they are most likely destroyed emotionally and have absolutely nothing left. The first thing that pops up in their mind should not be how good they are suppost to live within a span of 24 hours that they reach a country. Just not long a bunch of refugees refused to leave their busses because they wanted to go to Germany and not go to Luxemburg. As far as I know, luxemburg is a rich and well developed country willing to take refugees. Why do they refuse to leave the bus? Why do they demand housings, clothes, welfares, cars, fucking free buscards and then refuse to leave the buses if they are so safe? Doesnt that ring a bell in your head? [quote]I would really advise you to go visit some of these people, then you might get to know a few of their real problems such as: - Is my daughter/mother/sister/father/wife still alive ? - Will this camp be attacked by right wing activists aswell ? [/quote] I have visisted these people. I have seen how they have lived and I know what runs through their heads. My own refugee friends have told me already how they got to Sweden. Guess how? They all literally lied their way into the country simply because they didnt want to go to an another one. The refugees arriving in Sweden are NOT refugees needing instant help like the ones currently stuck in Turkey, Greece and Syria. The "refugees" arriving in Sweden are rich, healthy people who are looking for nothing else but a new life. The real refugees that need help are still stuck in their countries and need help. You dont improve the situation at all by hoarding hundreds of thousands of people across europe but instead you piss people off more or less to become extremists. Do you wonder why so many camps have burned lately? Not because how "open and goodhearted" we are, but because right-wing nationalism is on rise again because politicans think its a good idea to prioritize people that in no way are related to a country before their own people. [quote]Interesting number, why exactly over 6 years ? ^^[/QUOTE] Just a rhetorical one.

[QUOTE=freaka;49085269]Have YOU ever talked to a refugee? And by this I mean a REAL refugee.[/QUOTE] Indeed, i have, not to one of your straw man refugees tough i am afraid... [QUOTE=freaka;49085269] A refugee implies somebody that has fled their homecountry with nothing else but their own skin intact and have suffered way more psychological damage than you could ever imagine. By this point they are most likely destroyed emotionally and have absolutely nothing left.[/QUOTE] Wow wow hold on, what makes you think that there isn't a part of these refugees that has exactly these issues ? Anyway, i think your definition of refugee really is weird, you might want to look the word up on wikipedia [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee[/URL] [QUOTE=freaka;49085269]Why do they refuse to leave the bus? Why do they demand housings, clothes, welfares, cars, fucking free buscards and then refuse to leave the buses if they are so safe? Doesnt that ring a bell in your head?[/QUOTE] And once again ( you really seem to like doing that ? ) a strange generalizating of a fact that sounds so odd, that i really get the feeling you are making them up as you go [QUOTE=freaka;49085269]The "refugees" arriving in Sweden are rich, healthy people who are looking for nothing else but a new life.[/QUOTE] what a terrible thought ! A new life ? Maybe having a job, paying taxes ? That really sounds awful, we should do something against this [QUOTE=freaka;49085269]Do you wonder why so many camps have burned lately? Not because how "open and goodhearted" we are, but because right-wing nationalism is on rise again because politicans think its a good idea to prioritize people that in no way are related to a country before their own people.[/QUOTE] The problem is, with you strange unfounded "facts" you are bringing up here, you are playing into the hands of these right wings groups

[QUOTE=Dim;49085348]Indeed, i have, not to one of your straw man refugees tough i am afraid... [/quote] Well go and talk to them instead of trying to sound like you know about refugees. At the moment you are nothing else but a textbook example of a person that wants refugees in a country but have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever. [quote]Wow wow hold on, what makes you think that there isn't a part of these refugees that has exactly these issues ? Anyway, i think your definition of refugee really is really weird, you might want to look the word up on wikipedia [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee[/URL] [/quote] If you honestly dont believe what I just wrote as an example of a refugee is and you then link me a wikipedia article to explain something so obvious for me I honestly think you might have autism. [quote]And once again ( you really seem to like doing that ? ) a strange generalizating of a fact that sounds so strange that i really get the feeling you are making them up as you go [/quote] Please, tell me why the swedish economy is doing so awful and why we pay out literally billions of welfare money. [quote]what a terrible thought ! A new life ? Maybe having a job, paying taxes ? That really sounds awful, we should do something against this [/quote] Yes, let me move to your home now because Im a refugee and I demand it! Thats literally what just happend to me and my almost aquired apartment. [quote] The problem is, with you strange unfounded "facts" you are bringing up here you are playing into the hands of these right wings groups[/QUOTE] Go read the news. I honestly believe you dont even read half what I wrote, nevertheless even talk to people outside of your 5 friends with the same ideas you have. I honestly cant take you seriously if at this point and thinki you are trolling.

[QUOTE=freaka;49085396]Please, tell me why the swedish economy is doing so awful and why we pay out literally billions of welfare money.[/QUOTE] Sweden is not doing awful. It's in the top layer of the richest countries in the world. Even though we have big problems things are not that bad.

[QUOTE=freaka;49085396] At the moment you are nothing else but a textbook example of a person that wants refugees in a country but have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.[/QUOTE] That`s the problem i am afraid, doesn't make what i am saying wrong tough [QUOTE=freaka;49085396]...you might have autism.[/QUOTE] Oh come on, you can do better than that [QUOTE=freaka;49085396]Yes, let me move to your home now because Im a refugee and I demand it! Thats literally what just happend to me and my almost aquired apartment.[/QUOTE] haha wow, how about backing up some of the things you say ? Have i told you of the one time a refugee came to my house and took me on a magical adventure to narnia ? No ? Well probably because i made this up, just like you do with your "Facts" here [QUOTE=freaka;49085396]Go read the news. I honestly believe you dont even read half what I wrote, nevertheless even talk to people outside of your 5 friends with the same ideas you have. I honestly cant take you seriously if at this point and thinki you are trolling.[/QUOTE] Sad thing is, i can't be serious with you because you behave like an insulting toddler, making stuff up Aaanyway, i think this discussion leads nowhere. I mean it's a dispute on the internet, i won`t change your mind and you probably won`t change mine. So let`s leave this dicussion to others, shall we ?

All I can really say is that Europe is speeding towards a bloodbath. If people think this is something which can be fixed by just being quiet and ignoring the issue, they are dead wrong and they are the problem. Europe needs a solution and the only solution most people are seeing is to starting fighting instead of fleeing into the countrysides.

[QUOTE=Dim;49085348]Indeed, i have, not to one of your straw man refugees tough i am afraid..,[/QUOTE] So these people don't exist? [url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sweden-refugees-refused-leave-bus-three-days-because-its-too-cold-1526307[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L3eSbpETf8[/url] [url]https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftelewizjarepublika.pl%2Fuchodzcy-uciekaja-z-polski-ponad-polowa-wyjechala-na-zachod%2C23771.html[/url] I mean is the notion that many refugees want to go to germany and only germany really new to you?

[QUOTE=TheThing;49085538]Even though we have big problems things are not that bad.[/QUOTE] You have a housing crisis and are accepting tons of refugees. Quite a few people don't want a giant influx of refugees but all of the parties aside from the crazy right wing ones are afraid of being called racist. Its not a good situation.

It's okay the western culture will pollute the immigrants and in a couple of generations they'll be proud europeans.

[QUOTE=Coffee;49088981]It's okay the western culture will pollute the immigrants and in a couple of generations they'll be proud europeans.[/QUOTE] Can't speak for what happens in Europe but here in Canada we have issues primarily with second and third generation immigrants who, for reasons we don't understand, have a considerably higher than normal chance of becoming religious extremists.

The whole migrant crisis does seem pretty insane to me, like none of them are even Syrian? [editline]10th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;49088981]It's okay the western culture will pollute the immigrants and in a couple of generations they'll be proud europeans.[/QUOTE] Are you so sure?

I'm living right next to a Refugee Shelter and I can tell you that these people are not war Refugees. They all have Iphones(Even their kids have some), if they don't like something they get really pissed, last time they threw a chair out of the window. A week ago they yelled at my Mother who came back from the Store. They even fight with the Secruity personal that comes at night to keep the place safe. The whole situation in Germany is just a clusterfuck.

[QUOTE=soliv;49089350]I'm living right next to a Refugee Shelter and I can tell you that these people are not war Refugees. They all have Iphones(Even their kids have some), if they don't like something they get really pissed, last time they threw a chair out of the window. A week ago they yelled at my Mother who came back from the Store. They even fight with the Secruity personal that comes at night to keep the place safe. The whole situation in Germany is just a clusterfuck.[/QUOTE] Where's the part where you explain how they aren't war refugees?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;49086642]So these people don't exist? [url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sweden-refugees-refused-leave-bus-three-days-because-its-too-cold-1526307[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L3eSbpETf8[/url] [url]https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftelewizjarepublika.pl%2Fuchodzcy-uciekaja-z-polski-ponad-polowa-wyjechala-na-zachod%2C23771.html[/url] I mean is the notion that many refugees want to go to germany and only germany really new to you?[/QUOTE] I think he's in denial.

[QUOTE=Satansick;49089683]Where's the part where you explain how they aren't war refugees?[/QUOTE] Would a bunch of war refugees cause a ruckus at the country who were generous enough to give them a place to stay? lol

[QUOTE=soliv;49089350] They all have Iphones(Even their kids have some), if they don't like something they get really pissed, last time they threw a chair out of the window. [/QUOTE] Smartphones either iPhone or android aren't hard to get in Syria at all, or Iraq or anywhere. You can be a war refugee and carry around a phone There was an explanation somewhere on why refugees have smartphones

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49089909]Smartphones either iPhone or android aren't hard to get in Syria at all, or Iraq or anywhere. You can be a war refugee and carry around a phone There was an explanation somewhere on why refugees have smartphones[/QUOTE] I think its not the iphone part that bothers him the most but rather the attitudes these economic migrants are showing to their hosts.

[QUOTE=Jack32;49084264]Can't you at least understand why people might be afraid of Islam? Like the way they treat women and gays and how they were invading Europe for hundreds of years?[/QUOTE] It's like 1% or less of the entire European population, practicing a belief system that, studies have shown, will be moderated or even phased out in future generations, so long as the local population is willing to be accepting rather than marginalizing and ostracizing, which breeds contempt and fundamentalism. So no, I really can't. Literally thinly veiled prejudiced. Same sort of shit the US has/had with Mexicans in the 1990s and blacks in the early 1900s. [editline]10th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=soliv;49089350] They all have Iphones(Even their kids have some),[/QUOTE] Rest of the comment aside, this particular statement is stupid as shit. Poor farmers in the third world can get iPhones now thanks to cheap as shit labor, let alone professionals and educated middle class people- which is the majority demographic coming from Syria to Europe (y'know, the ones who can afford to leave rather than be drafted and can afford to make the trip). You know what disappears during the war? Food, water, electricity, safety. Know what doesn't? iPhones, TVs, and gadgets. Like seriously lol if you were kicked out of Germany would you leave your smart phone behind? The one with GPS and internet capable of guiding you to safety? Because there's a war? [editline]10th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Tarver;49089974]I think its not the iphone part that bothers him the most but rather the attitudes these economic migrants are showing to their hosts.[/QUOTE] This is fair enough but in all honesty the migrants have a good reason to be pissed. I mean, escape war, shoveled into shit refugee camps, then escape overcrowded camps, then have the European community generally collectively shit on them for months while they pack them into even less capable camps and buildings while they take the time to debate the merits of letting people into the countries, and then finally when they do get to their destination they're harassed and crowded again and it's not what they expected and so on. Of course some of the actions are reprehensible but there's a lot of shock and unclarity involved. The handling of the situation was bungled and so of course it's the migrants who pay the price.

[QUOTE=Tarver;49089974]I think its not the iphone part that bothers him the most but rather the attitudes these economic migrants are showing to their hosts.[/QUOTE] I think it's rather rude to generalise them all as economic migrants or "country shoppers" I've read about refugees starting huge shit, absolutely disregarding people's privacy etc and I won't say it's a small bunch I don't have the answers as to how to solve this problem, I'm not a politician or an adviser pulling their hair out at this mess. But I think we need to realise that mass deportation is in itself, a wildly crazy idea that I don't think could be accomplished easily I'm not a fan of dropping them in a war zone, however other countries (like us) need to do our bit to help these people out. I don't want to say a lot else I'll probably be slammed as an sjw or some shit

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49089909]Smartphones either iPhone or android aren't hard to get in Syria at all, or Iraq or anywhere. You can be a war refugee and carry around a phone There was an explanation somewhere on why refugees have smartphones[/QUOTE] The "it has google maps" bullshit that doesn't make any sense?

[QUOTE=proch;49090199]The "it has google maps" bullshit that doesn't make any sense?[/QUOTE] Actually, refugees arriving in Turkey have used their phones to find refugee centers, refugee-friendly businesses and workplaces, and to connect with social groups for refugees and past Syrian immigrants. Not sure why that's "bullshit", because the functionality of the phone extends far past just Google Maps, which, by the way, does function at a base level and even if it doesn't offer GPS services constantly does offer an actual map.

[QUOTE=soliv;49089350]I'm living right next to a Refugee Shelter and I can tell you that these people are not war Refugees. They all have Iphones(Even their kids have some), if they don't like something they get really pissed, last time they threw a chair out of the window. A week ago they yelled at my Mother who came back from the Store. They even fight with the Secruity personal that comes at night to keep the place safe. The whole situation in Germany is just a clusterfuck.[/QUOTE] I have seen both here in Munich. I have seen families sleeping on the floor of the train station, just waiting for their loved ones to arrive or the authorities to return their documents. They don't want to be here, they just need a place to be. They are very thankful and try as hard as they can to share a smile with anyone helping them. And then we have the ones who make the headlines. Often male, between 16 - 30 years old. Always getting in fights, yelling, insulting people, sexually harrass women and girls, being agressive and are in general irrational as fuck. I have no idea why any country is supporting them and where the fuck they came from, those people don't know war if they act like this.

[QUOTE=Tarver;49089750]Would a bunch of war refugees cause a ruckus at the country who were generous enough to give them a place to stay? lol[/QUOTE] Stop acting as if these are not refugees of war, most of them are. Regarding your ill conceived remark, if they expected much more out of asylum than yes they would cause a ruckus. In the refugee camps they do receive primary needs like food, water and shelter but an individual has more needs than just those. These refugees don't have any sense of belonging, esteem or self-actualization. That's on top of mental trauma they might have experienced during their travels to Western Europe and all the war in Syria. The majority of Syrian refugees are actually Syrian. Up to one-third of Syrian refugees that came to Germany were not Syrian at all. Life in refugee camps basically comes down to waiting for the next meal all day long. [editline]10th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=proch;49090199]The "it has google maps" bullshit that doesn't make any sense?[/QUOTE] They use private Facebook groups IRC.