• Zero Punctuation: Metroid Other M
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[QUOTE=The Vman;25049156]Did you not enjoy Big Rigs Over the Road Racing? Maybe you should just rethink your standards.[/QUOTE] Actually, I thought Big Rigs was hilarious, but that's besides the point. I'm advocating being happy when games don't fully meet your standards instead of dismissing them, but people are really intent on staying negative. At this point I'm more just trying to gain insight into why anyone would want to do that to themselves.
stop post. Other m is bad. Quit trying to be all "umad" hippy bullshit
[QUOTE=Caulo32;25049894]stop post. Other m is bad. Quit trying to be all "umad" hippy bullshit[/QUOTE] You're more interested in dealing with a malcontent? Sorry to disappoint you.
[QUOTE=Bathacker;25049861]Actually, I thought Big Rigs was hilarious, but that's besides the point. I'm advocating being happy when games don't fully meet your standards instead of dismissing them, but people are really intent on staying negative. At this point I'm more just trying to gain insight into why anyone would want to do that to themselves.[/QUOTE] Because being content when games don't meet your standards is called being a fucking pushover. When something doesn't meet you're standards, your duty as a consumer is to demand something better. If you don't you'll just keep being given shit. And just because you're some zen motherfucker to whom indignation is completely alien, doesn't mean we should all be just like you.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25050168]Because being content when games don't meet your standards is called being a fucking pushover. When something doesn't meet you're standards, your duty as a consumer is to demand something better. If you don't you'll just keep being given shit. And just because you're some zen motherfucker to whom indignation is completely alien, doesn't mean we should all be just like you.[/QUOTE] You don't have to be indignant to suggest how something can be improved.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;25020164]I don't see the problem. Sounds fine to me. I don't even see how the voice acting is an issue. Put a voice to it - everyone complains. Keep the character silent - "omg stop having a mute characterrrr" Plus, the original voices are Japanese anyway.[/QUOTE] Not to try and get too embroiled in this argument, holy fucking hell that was terrible. If you think that voice acting was good, then you must think the voice acting in games like Half Life 2 or some of the voice acting in Mass Effect is the [I]choir of fucking angels.[/I]
[QUOTE=BlkDucky;25045101]Read. The. Manga. This didn't happen suddenly. God.[/QUOTE] Oh so what I heard [I]was[/I] true? And that's where the weakness came from? All I heard was that the character had been developing a significantly different personality in Japan for quite some time now. I just assumed Nintendo was toying around with possible ideas of how to flesh out one of their characters.
Personality in manga is either. A) New quiet girl that is introverted , that craves sex B) Outgoing girl that is secretly insecure about herself, that craves sex C) A fembot without emotion, that craves sex
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;25054616]Not to try and get too embroiled in this argument, holy fucking hell that was terrible. If you think that voice acting was good, then you must think the voice acting in games like Half Life 2 or some of the voice acting in Mass Effect is the [I]choir of fucking angels.[/I][/QUOTE] Never said it was good. I just didn't feel it was so detrimental that I couldn't enjoy the game anyway.
[QUOTE=Bathacker;25050503]You don't have to be indignant to suggest how something can be improved.[/QUOTE] But it definitely has a bigger impact. Consider: A: You buy the game, you don't like it, but you remain happy with it (for some reason) and you write a kind suggestion to the developers to fix some things. Developers see the message, but since sales are still high, they dismiss it. or B: You buy the game, you don't like it, and you hate it. You write bad reviews and tell people how bad it is, and they decide not to buy it. Developers see that the game isn't making as much money as previous installments, and see the bad reviews that it's getting. So they start to change things.
[QUOTE=The Vman;25057858]But it definitely has a bigger impact. Consider: A: You buy the game, you don't like it, but you remain happy with it (for some reason) and you write a kind suggestion to the developers to fix some things. Developers see the message, but since sales are still high, they dismiss it. or B: You buy the game, you don't like it, and you hate it. You write bad reviews and tell people how bad it is, and they decide not to buy it. Developers see that the game isn't making as much money as previous installments, and see the bad reviews that it's getting. So they start to change things.[/QUOTE] You're oversimplifying and pretending that you have some sort of vague obligation to be hateful. Don't convince yourself that the whole system will unravel if you, just you, loosen up and have fun.
Did you even read his argument? Or are you just that blind a fanboy?
[QUOTE=Bathacker;25058371]You're oversimplifying and pretending that you have some sort of vague obligation to be hateful. Don't convince yourself that the whole system will unravel if you, just you, loosen up and have fun.[/QUOTE] How can I have fun if I don't find it enjoyable? [I]Oh right, [/I]I just have to [I]"lower my standards"[/I] right? Hey, I know you ordered prime rib, but all we've got is this week old coleslaw. But you should be obligated to enjoy it because it's [I]supposed[/I] to taste good.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;25054998]Oh so what I heard [I]was[/I] true? And that's where the weakness came from? All I heard was that the character had been developing a significantly different personality in Japan for quite some time now. I just assumed Nintendo was toying around with possible ideas of how to flesh out one of their characters.[/QUOTE] Yeah. If you read literally the first 5 pages, you can see that she isn't so emotionally void as she appears in (most) of the games. I think Other M was an attempt to merge the manga and the games together, but they did it badly.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;25058465]Did you even read his argument? Or are you just that blind a fanboy?[/QUOTE] Yes, I read his argument. He simplified everything down into two mutually exclusive outcomes: be happy and get bad games, be hateful and get good games. This completely ignores the outcomes: be happy and get good games anyway, be hateful and get bad games anyway. His argument makes it seem like hating is the only viable option. I also happened to think that his argument was too expansive, citing worldly and market effects if some obligation to hate wasn't met. I'm talking about the personal contentedness of one person, here, not some sort of videogame-quality meltdown that would occur if everyone in the world completely stopped caring. Also I don't see how I can be blind or a fanboy if I enjoy a good 90% of all video games. [QUOTE=The Vman;25059960]How can I have fun if I don't find it enjoyable? [I]Oh right, [/I]I just have to [I]"lower my standards"[/I] right? Hey, I know you ordered prime rib, but all we've got is this week old coleslaw. But you should be obligated to enjoy it because it's [I]supposed[/I] to taste good.[/QUOTE] That's not what I'm talking about here. It's more like, "I've had filet mignon before so cheeseburgers are terrible food." The problem arises when people play superb games and set them as their basis for an "average game". Anything not superb then becomes below average, bad, or "shit", even though they might be totally playable and fun games. Then, when a new game comes out that beats their old standard and is even better, they set [i]that game[/i] to be their new average. It's a dangerous spiral that soon leaves you considering a majority of games to be inferior.
[QUOTE=Bathacker;25064131]Yes, I read his argument. He simplified everything down into two mutually exclusive outcomes: be happy and get bad games, be hateful and get good games. This completely ignores the outcomes: be happy and get good games anyway, be hateful and get bad games anyway. His argument makes it seem like hating is the only viable option. I also happened to think that his argument was too expansive, citing worldly and market effects if some obligation to hate wasn't met. I'm talking about the personal contentedness of one person, here, not some sort of videogame-quality meltdown that would occur if everyone in the world completely stopped caring. Also I don't see how I can be blind or a fanboy if I enjoy a good 90% of all video games. That's not what I'm talking about here. It's more like, "I've had filet mignon before so cheeseburgers are terrible food." The problem arises when people play superb games and set them as their basis for an "average game". Anything not superb then becomes below average, bad, or "shit", even though they might be totally playable and fun games. Then, when a new game comes out that beats their old standard and is even better, they set [i]that game[/i] to be their new average. It's a spiral that closes you off.[/QUOTE] oh shit he doesn't like metroid other m CLEARLY his standards are stratospheric AND CAN NOT BE MET Your second paragraph doesn't even make any fucking sense. "A spiral that closes you off"? To what? Old games? Games that don't change? What the fuck does that have to do with a spiral? Not that that even makes any sense. One of my favorite games of all time is from 1994. Look, get this in your fucking head. Metroid other M is fucking inferior to every single other Metroid game ever made. If I want to enjoy myself, I will play one of the numerous other metroid games that I own. However, I will not force myself to ignore the games flaws and try to just muscle through it when it's insulting my fucking intelligence. If I wanted to be happy all the time, I wouldn't buy games anyway. I'd buy some fucking ecstasy.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25065622]oh shit he doesn't like metroid other m CLEARLY his standards are stratospheric AND CAN NOT BE MET Your second paragraph doesn't even make any fucking sense. "A spiral that closes you off"? To what? Old games? Games that don't change? What the fuck does that have to do with a spiral? Not that that even makes any sense. One of my favorite games of all time is from 1994.[/QUOTE] I think I forgot to finish that last thought there. Sometimes I'll go back and revise something I wrote earlier and forget to come back to the end. I fixed it. Anyway, my point isn't time-dependent. Whether a game is old or new, you set the bar for what you consider an average game. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25065622]Look, get this in your fucking head. Metroid other M is fucking inferior to every single other Metroid game ever made. If I want to enjoy myself, I will play one of the numerous other metroid games that I own. However, I will not force myself to ignore the games flaws and try to just muscle through it when it's insulting my fucking intelligence.[/QUOTE] I never said to ignore the game's flaws, I suggested taking note of them without letting them ruin the game experience. You'd be surprised how little some things matter when you don't let them matter. I agree Other M could have been better and relative to the other Metroid games it wasn't all that good, but I just didn't let it bother me to the point that I'm dropping the f-bomb all over the place and describing it as something so monstrous as to justify hating it. In any case dude it's not like I'm forcing you to play the game or anything. You just seemed mad about it so I tried to help. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25065622]If I wanted to be happy all the time, I wouldn't buy games anyway. I'd buy some fucking ecstasy.[/QUOTE] I'm kinda flattered that you think I'm capable of perpetual happiness, but there are a lot of things in my life I still get mad about. That's why it's nice to not have video games on that list.
[QUOTE=Bathacker;25064131]That's not what I'm talking about here. It's more like, "I've had filet mignon before so cheeseburgers are terrible food." The problem arises when people play superb games and set them as their basis for an "average game". Anything not superb then becomes below average, bad, or "shit", even though they might be totally playable and fun games. Then, when a new game comes out that beats their old standard and is even better, they set [I]that game[/I] to be their new average. It's a dangerous spiral that soon leaves you considering a majority of games to be inferior.[/QUOTE] [I]I [/I]have high standards?! Are you joking? I'm a guy who actually really liked Mercenaries 2. And [I]I [/I]have high standards? Can't you understand that sometimes a game will be bad, and as much as you try to look at the redeeming qualities, you still won't like it? It's like Spiderman 3. I was hoping for a good movie, like the past two Spiderman movies. Hell, even if it wasn't [I]as[/I] good as the past two, it could still be good, right? But instead we get this painfully badly done movie that isn't enjoyable at the least. Not to mention that I just spent 9 bucks on it (or in the videogame's case, 30 - 50) And I wasn't even saying that Other M was a bad game. Like I said, I haven't even had a chance to play it, and was for a while considering buying it, but when I saw the story I thought it was rather detrimental (I like games to have at [I]least[/I] enjoyable stories. But if the story is that bad, then you are relying on only the gameplay to keep you playing) I reconsidered buying it until the price goes down (if I do buy it at all)
[QUOTE=The Vman;25067452][I]I [/I]have high standards?! Are you joking? I'm a guy who actually really liked Mercenaries 2. And [I]I [/I]have high standards? Can't you understand that sometimes a game will be bad, and as much as you try to look at the redeeming qualities, you still won't like it? It's like Spiderman 3. I was hoping for a good movie, like the past two Spiderman movies. Hell, even if it wasn't [I]as[/I] good as the past two, it could still be good, right? But instead we get this painfully badly done movie that isn't enjoyable at the least. Not to mention that I just spent 9 bucks on it (or in the videogame's case, 30 - 50) And I wasn't even saying that Other M was a bad game. Like I said, I haven't even had a chance to play it, and was for a while considering buying it, but when I saw the story I thought it was rather detrimental (I like games to have at [I]least[/I] enjoyable stories. But if the story is that bad, then you are relying on only the gameplay to keep you playing) I reconsidered buying it until the price goes down (if I do buy it at all)[/QUOTE] Oh, I wasn't talking about you in particular. I barely know you. I was more speaking in general. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. And, yeah, there are such things as a bad game, I agree. The point is to not get carried away with what games you consider bad, or else you'll find yourself with a very small selection of games that you find good. It's all about fun. I used the word "you" here, but please understand I'm still speaking in general. [editline]01:41PM[/editline] Also I would recommend renting or borrowing Other M rather than buying it.
You don't have fun playing a bad game. Denying that a problem exists won't change anything. Your argument is rubbish.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;25068506]You don't have fun playing a bad game.[/QUOTE] I can and do. I must be some sort of genie. That or you just made a flagrant assumption about the kind of person I am with no background or knowledge to base it on. [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;25068506]Denying that a problem exists won't change anything.[/QUOTE] I haven't denied anything. Getting angry at a problem won't change it either (at least when it comes to individual video games). Difference is, in the end, who's still a happy person? [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;25068506]Your argument is rubbish.[/QUOTE] Then I invite you to refute it.
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