Teaching homosexuality in school - General

[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32396608]Yes it is. No baby is born saying, "I like other men!" or "I like other women!" Sorry, everything you do in your life is a decision. I don't buy this "born this way" bullshit. What happened, was homosexuality used to be taboo, not accepted anywhere. Then, gay people saw this, wanted to change it, so started to say, "Oh, we were born this way!" to make it more widely accepted. It's like me saying I was born with an attraction to a particular hair color. It's a preference. I know a few gay people who say it is indeed a choice they made.[/QUOTE] Yes they do, you closed minded twit. A baby can't talk and doesn't think about that, but as a child grows up they begin to develop and eventually the feeling of "other boys like girls but I'm different," emerges, and is often confusing and alienating, and as the child is educated in what those feelings mean, that's where the transformation into acceptance comes in. Notice it's only straight people who are making the choice claim. Where the fuck do you get off making the claim you know what is going on in the heads of an entire group better than they know themselves?

I'd like to first state that Teaching homosexuality in school is somewhat a fallacy. As schools do not teach children to be homosexual or to be more capable in homosexual acts. Schools instead tend to teach [B]about[/B] homosexuality which implies a very important thing. Now to the point itself. Homosexuals compromise roughly 5% of the population as far as I remember. This percentage is even wider if you add in people who have bisexual tendencies but aren't fully homosexual. In that sense teaching about the existance of homosexuality and the fact that some people do have a sexual preference for their own gender is completely legit. In the same vein as teaching about the existance of other races. Likewise the presence of mentions of homosexuality among the population could easily help people who are afraid of coming out making their own decisions and make society somewhat more prepared for their existance. [quote] Yes it is. No baby is born saying, "I like other men!" or "I like other women!" Sorry, everything you do in your life is a decision. I don't buy this "born this way" bullshit. What happened, was homosexuality used to be taboo, not accepted anywhere. Then, gay people saw this, wanted to change it, so started to say, "Oh, we were born this way!" to make it more widely accepted. It's like me saying I was born with an attraction to a particular hair color. It's a preference. I know a few gay people who say it is indeed a choice they made. [/quote] So the fact that you like blondes more than brunnetes is a decision? Or that you're a boobs man instead of an ass man is a decision? Or perhaps finding out that you have a fairly massive influx of blood into your penis at the sight of a man instead of a nude girl which you so hope to be sexualy attracted to? Sorry while in some borderline cases there are people that can go either way, in a lot of cases people either due to their subjective experiences or biology end up with a preffered sexuality. [quote] It's a choice. Pedophiles use the same fucking excuse. "I was born this way!" [/quote] The truth is pedophiles were born that way. The differences between pedophilia and homosexuality is though that it harms no one as normal homosexuality happens between to consenting adults. Pedophila not. As a result pedophilia is illegal and pedophiles that cannot control their own urges persecuted.

[QUOTE=Amplar;32396959] [B]Sex ed is a sensitive class,[/B] I'm not sure if it belongs. But, it would help those who are gay (in the class) feel less vilified, as long as they still remain anonymous. [/QUOTE] Not really. Sex ed used to be kinda awkward and funny, but everyone has sex, it's pretty damn common.

From what I read, it doesn't seem like they're being taught that it's better to be gay or anything like that.. This seems to be like learning about Martin Luther King.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;32397042]From what I read, it doesn't seem like they're being taught that it's better to be gay or anything like that.. This seems to be like learning about Martin Luther King.[/QUOTE] Nailed it. This isn't teaching which is better, it's acknowledging that the group exists.

I learned to start liking girls through the internet. Still like boys more though.

[QUOTE=Omali;32397015]Yes they do, you closed minded twit. A baby can't talk and doesn't think about that, but as a child grows up they begin to develop and eventually the feeling of "other boys like girls but I'm different," emerges, and is often confusing and alienating, and as the child is educated in what those feelings mean, that's where the transformation into acceptance comes in. Notice it's only straight people who are making the choice claim. Where the fuck do you get off making the claim you know what is going on in the heads of an entire group better than they know themselves?[/QUOTE] I have a lesbian and a bisexual friend that claim it was a choice they made. Also, the case with the Romans and Greeks is to me even more evidence that the cause behind homosexuality isn't solely genetic. Environmental factors such as social acceptance, lot's of things can play into a persons sexuality. There were ancient Roman men who decided that they only wanted to have sex with men because it was more manly.

[QUOTE=Amplar;32396514]It should be up to the parents to teach their children or they can learn themselves (I think that's the best way, tbh).[/QUOTE] Why does that not apply to math? Factoring polynomials is hard! Leave it up to the parents to decide if their children need to know that! The fact that homosexuality is not some terrifying revelation and there's no reason kids shouldn't have to learn about it in school. [QUOTE=NotAName;32396580]You don't need to teach people about homosexuality, that makes it stand out like it's something special and not just a sexual preference. They shouldn't say anything other than "it's when a human likes same-gendered humans" and leave it at that. [editline]wien[/editline] It's like racism, the best way to avoid homophobic tendencies is to not talk about it like it's a special thing.[/QUOTE] Now we're writing black history out of curricula as well?

[QUOTE=Chrille;32397079]I have a lesbian and a bisexual friend that claim it was a choice they made. Also, the case with the Romans and Greeks is to me even more evidence that the cause behind homosexuality isn't solely genetic. Environmental factors such as social acceptance, lot's of things can play into a persons sexuality. There were ancient Roman men who decided that they only wanted to have sex with men because it was more manly.[/QUOTE] Having sex with people of your own gender=/= being attracted to people of your own gender. I have a very hard time understanding how anyone can just change their sexual preference. I can't just decide I enjoy looking at cocks. Doesn't do anything for me.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;32397100] Now we're writing black history out of curricula as well?[/QUOTE] Where did you get "black history"? Racism is not all about blacks. Sure, they can teach black history, but as history. They can teach how they were repressed in the past, but they don't need to say "black people are different, but you shouldn't hate them for it because that's racism and racism is bad", just like they don't need to explain homosexuality like it's a special trait that you need to take special measures to avoid hating. By mentioning how black people / homosexual people are different they don't help make it seem like a normal thing that is acceptable in the modern society.

[QUOTE=Amplar;32396959]not at all, but having a whole class devoted to it is just silly.[/QUOTE] If anything it should be covered in Sex Ed, just a simple explanation that homosexuality isn't a bad thing, it's just what some people are into. I don't think there is anything wrong with information about homosexuality being taught in schools, children/ teens tend to be more accepting of new ideas than older people, and hearing it come from their primary source of knowledge (their teacher) would enforce that it is something they should know. It might help lower the prejudice homo/bi-sexuals suffer in some cases.

[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32396489]I agree. There is no place in school for teaching about sexual preference. Sexual preference is a decision much like religion for people to make.[/QUOTE]Both religion and sexual preference should be taught in school so children can learn to tolerate other's way of living.

I think teaching helps with accepting homosexuality, and making it easier for scared actually realizing that there's nothing wrong with being gay. It should just be a part of sexual education.

Keep it out of pre-school, elementary school, and Intermediate school. Same as you would keep anything sex related out of those grade ranges.

[QUOTE=NotAName;32397273]Where did you get "black history"? Racism is not all about blacks. Sure, they can teach black history, but as history. They can teach how they were repressed in the past, but they don't need to say "black people are different, but you shouldn't hate them for it because that's racism and racism is bad", just like they don't need to explain homosexuality like it's a special trait that you need to take special measures to avoid hating. By mentioning how black people / homosexual people are different they don't help make it seem like a normal thing that is acceptable in the modern society.[/QUOTE] sorry, but ignoring problems don't make them go away.

[QUOTE=Resfan;32397363]Keep it out of pre-school, elementary school, and Intermediate school. Same as you would keep anything sex related out of those grade ranges.[/QUOTE] Why would you keep anything sex related out of middle school? Kids need to learn this shit to avoid getting a weird view on sex from porn and shit.

This is dumb. It's not like they're promoting homosexuality, guys. They're putting the history of the LGBT rights movement into their curriculum and making sure gay kids have resources so they don't get bullied and kill themselves.

[QUOTE=SomTervo;32397393]sorry, but ignoring problems don't make them go away.[/QUOTE] Okay, I may be extremely weird but I didn't even think that it's possible to be racist until school mentioned it. They're just differently colored people, or in this case people that like the same gender. If people are actually born racist/homophobic and need special education to learn that you're not supposed to be one, then you're right.

[QUOTE=NotAName;32397443]Okay, I may be extremely weird but I didn't even think that it's possible to be racist until school mentioned it. They're just differently colored people, or in this case people that like the same gender. If people are actually born racist/homophobic and need special education to learn that you're not supposed to be one, then you're right.[/QUOTE] Indeed. Children don't see the difference untill they are screwed up by their parents.

[QUOTE=Bftony;32397576]Indeed. Children don't see the difference untill they are screwed up by their parents.[/QUOTE] In that case, school isn't going to help. "Pa, the teacher says homosexuals are not different from us and should be treated equally" "Well your teacher is lying to you, homosexuals are evil because (X) and you should hate them" And nothing changes.

don't advocate or shun it just tell it exists, and normal it is is up to you [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=NotAName;32397631]In that case, school isn't going to help. "Pa, the teacher says homosexuals are not different from us and should be treated equally" "Well your teacher is lying to you, homosexuals are evil because (X) and you should hate them" And nothing changes.[/QUOTE] it's not the teacher's job to raise the kid

Sounds like something to throw in with sex ed, but teaching it in regular classes alienates them even more if they're designated a special day

[QUOTE=Mon;32397738] it's not the teacher's job to raise the kid[/QUOTE] Not saying it is, I'm saying that unless people are born racist (which I doubt) it's a lost cause trying to teach them not to be, as children will listen to their parents / friends over their teacher.

If it is considered as something normal and not out of the ordinary, then why make it extraordinary by advocating it on schools? Just let kids be kids, don't confront them with something that wasn't an issue in the first place.

[QUOTE=NotAName;32397785]Not saying it is, I'm saying that unless people are born racist (which I doubt) it's a lost cause trying to teach them not to be, as children will listen to their parents / friends over their teacher.[/QUOTE] well then that's just how it has to be. you can't go around telling society what to do. what seems right to some might be totally off to others.

[QUOTE=Mon;32397848]well then that's just how it has to be. you can't go around telling society what to do. what seems right to some might be totally off to others.[/QUOTE] Which leads me back to my first point: trying to fight it will either do nothing or make it worse.

[QUOTE=NotAName;32397926]Which leads me back to my first point: trying to fight it will either do nothing or make it worse.[/QUOTE] exactly. so let it change on its own.

[QUOTE=Mon;32397738]don't advocate or shun it just tell it exists, and normal it is is up to you[/QUOTE] What's wrong with advocating treating homosexuals as equals? Or are you saying they shouldn't advocate homosexuality as being "better" than heterosexuality? If so, that's a nonsensical argument that pretty much no one (especially not teachers) makes.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32398005]What's wrong with advocating treating homosexuals as equals? Or are you saying they shouldn't advocate homosexuality as being "better" than heterosexuality? If so, that's a nonsensical argument that pretty much no one (especially not teachers) makes.[/QUOTE] that's really taking my point and running with it it's just better that way. it provides less of an uproar while still acknowledging that they do, in fact exist

[QUOTE=Resfan;32397363]Keep it out of pre-school, elementary school, and Intermediate school. Same as you would keep anything sex related out of those grade ranges.[/QUOTE] This is a terrible idea. Do you know how many kids have sex before they are 14? A lot.