Teaching homosexuality in school - General

I think teaching homosexuality in school (during sex ed I guess) is a good idea. First of, you would decrease drastically homophobia, even if the kid has homophobic parents (at 14 you start questioning your parents' opinion, if people give you another way to think). Second, it would help a lot of kids admitting and understanding who they are - Homosexuality is a personal issue because it might push the kid into denial, given he actually is gay/a lesbian, which is mainly caused by all the social pressure put on gays and the way they are pictured as "other people". Once again, at 14, it's essential that your sexual life has to be as clear as possible and that you have to accept what you like, should it be the other or the same sex. I know that because we didn't have anything related to homosexuals in our sex ed, and until last years of highschool a lot of kids were still either in denial of their own homosexuality, or didn't even want to approach admitted or supposed homosexual - it's only near end of highschool and starting of university that [i]some[/i] of them start befriending homosexuals, just like other human beings. And it's only a little portion of people who started homophobic in the first place. Now I know that a lot of people might (stupidly) think that teaching homosexuality to kids might make Homosexuality better than Heterosexuality in their mind or that they could actually turn homo by learning about it, thus homosexuality shouldn't be taught, especially if we're supposed to tell it's equal to homosexuality. First of, that's bullshit - kids don't turn instantly gay because you mention it, adolescence is an age of sexual discovery and some might wonder who they really love, it's normal. Second, homosexuality might have to be treated as heterosexuality, but it's not normal in itself. Something that is normal is something that sticks to the norm and is what you would expect from a human being. Human beings are sexually defined mammals, they are classified by their sex, either female and male, and as such, are expected to have sex with the member of the opposite gender in order to give birth and perpetuate the species. Thus, homosexuality isn't part of normality - as much as contraception isn't technically normal, though it's still accepted, and so should be homosexuality (which doesn't mean every "abnormal" thing should be tolerated - being batshit insane to the point of being a threat to other people isn't normal and shouldn't be tolerated nor accepted as it is).

I don't think they should teach students about sex in schools at all. Let the internet teach them.

[QUOTE=Mon;32398058]that's really taking my point and running with it. it's just better that way. it provides less of an uproar while still acknowledging that they do, in fact exist[/QUOTE] So you'd rather pander to bigots in order to avoid addressing the issue in an educational environment? Should we have avoided discussing inter-racial couples or equality of the races in the past. We did do this, but do you think it was the right choice?

I would say they should just tell kids about, just so it is not an unknown. Just because the facts could prevent myths that would be of harm to homosexuals.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32398218]So you'd rather pander to bigots in order to avoid addressing the issue in an educational environment? Should we have avoided discussing inter-racial couples or equality of the races in the past. We did do this, but do you think it was the right choice?[/QUOTE] again, you're taking my point and running with it as of now, it's still a touchy issue. there's no reason in starting a shitstorm. people will grow out of this, it just takes time. just keep the political bias out of schools.

[QUOTE=Mon;32398285]again, you're taking my point and running with it as of now, it's still a touchy issue. there's no reason in starting a shitstorm. people will grow out of this, it just takes time. just keep the political bias out of schools.[/QUOTE] You can't expect thing to change if you don't trigger the movement in the first place.

It's in the criteria for sexual education in schools down here in Australia, and it's very well done. It doesn't take up the whole criteria but it's still taught fairly extensively, primarily just so students should accept homosexuals as equals. Sadly, not many people care about it and remain incredibly homophobic. Also sadly for me, when offending someone I sometimes catch myself calling them a faggot, which is rather homophobic. I do believe in homosexuals being equal but I guess society has embedded shit like this into me.

[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;32398192]I don't think they should teach students about sex in schools at all. Let the internet teach them.[/QUOTE] This is a bad idea, a very, very bad idea.

Children shouldn't be told what's right or wrong (because neither sexual preference is "bad", idiots just like to think like that because it's weird to them) , it's for them to decide. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32398314]You can't expect thing to change if you don't trigger the movement in the first place.[/QUOTE] the movement HAS been triggered. the school should be a safe haven from political bias.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;32398320]It's in the criteria for sexual education in schools down here in Australia, and it's very well done. It doesn't take up the whole criteria but it's still taught fairly extensively, primarily just so students should accept homosexuals as equals. Sadly, not many people care about it and remain incredibly homophobic. Also sadly for me, when offending someone I sometimes catch myself calling them a faggot, which is rather homophobic. I do believe in homosexuals being equal but I guess society has embedded shit like this into me.[/QUOTE] I still use faggot as an insult to homosexuals who overact and show off all the time. Like walking like a girl, keeping your and in mid air while walking, talking while pucking your lips and using handbags to the point where you wonder if he's not doing that for mere attention. Especially when they act like it's absolutely normal and, even worse, that they aren't doing anything special. As I said before, homosexuality might be accepted (which I support), it will never be perfectly normal from a very logical, physical point of view, and behaving like an annoying girl doesn't make you any more normal or less annoying than the girl you're copying in the first place. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Legend286;32398343]Children shouldn't be told what's right or wrong (because neither sexual preference is "bad", idiots just like to think like that because it's weird to them) , it's for them to decide. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE] For them to decide you have to tell them it exists as well, or else homosexuality will still be that odd thing fox news is ranting about. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mon;32398352]the movement HAS been triggered. the school should be a safe haven from political bias.[/QUOTE] You don't trigger a movement in a generation then avoid talking about it to the next one, it will just stop it because no one will live to keep going on the road of progress.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32398360]I still use faggot as an insult to homosexuals who overact and show off all the time. Like walking like a girl, keeping your and in mid air while walking, talking while pucking your lips and using handbags to the point where you wonder if he's not doing that for mere attention. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] For them to decide you have to tell them it exists as well, or else homosexuality will still be that odd thing fox news is ranting about. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] You don't trigger a movement in a generation then avoid talking about it to the next one, it will just stop it because no one will live to keep going on the road of progress.[/QUOTE] No, you don't have to tell them because they will learn it themselves.

It should be integrated into Teen Living, or Social Awareness classes instead of just a separate class all by itself.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32398360]I still use faggot as an insult to homosexuals who overact and show off all the time. Like walking like a girl, keeping your and in mid air while walking, talking while pucking your lips and using handbags to the point where you wonder if he's not doing that for mere attention. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] For them to decide you have to tell them it exists as well, or else homosexuality will still be that odd thing fox news is ranting about.[/QUOTE] Wait, people still use faggot as a derogatory term against gays? I just calls people faggots, y'know, when they're being faggots. This is basically my opinion: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFloXOuLgA[/media]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32398360]You don't trigger a movement in a generation then avoid talking about it to the next one, it will just stop it because no one will live to keep going on the road of progress.[/QUOTE] this is just rhetoric

[QUOTE=Legend286;32398401]No, you don't have to tell them because they will learn it themselves.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah right it's totally not like half of today's medias showcase gays are strange persons you shouldn't approach or talk about or befriend with. Let the kids learn it themselves, it can so lead to good results. School is here to teach essential things, tolerance of others is one of them. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mon;32398440]this is just rhetoric[/QUOTE] Progress is made through several generations, nothing had suddenly exploded without any prior reason or clue. Arab revolutions took several generations of protesting to really start, the segregation in the US only stopped after several generations of slavery and protests, etc etc.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32398449]Oh yeah right it's totally not like half of today's medias showcase gays are strange persons you shouldn't approach or talk about or befriend with. Let the kids learn it themselves, it can so lead to good results. School is here to teach essential things, tolerance of others is one of them.[/QUOTE] i'm going to step in and call bullshit on that i was watching much a couple of weeks ago, and they were talking about how "oh, zebras do it, giraffes do it, who's unnatural now?" i was thinking, "seriously, guys?" but really it shows that the message is going out there

If homosexuality is a taboo that's because people didn't talk about it in the first place. You don't break a taboo without talking about it, especially without talking about it with the youth that will be our future.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32398546]If homosexuality is a taboo that's because people didn't talk about it in the first place. You don't break a taboo without talking about it, especially without talking about it with the youth that will be our future.[/QUOTE] that's implying that kids are capable of fully thought out decision making, and that they don't have ideologies already screwed into their heads

My opinion; teach it. Let the children know that a man can love a man, and a woman can love a woman, as well as teaching them that bullying somebody for their sexual orientation is wrong and should be punished.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32398449]Oh yeah right it's totally not like half of today's medias showcase gays are strange persons you shouldn't approach or talk about or befriend with. Let the kids learn it themselves, it can so lead to good results. School is here to teach essential things, tolerance of others is one of them. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] Progress is made through several generations, nothing had suddenly exploded without any prior reason or clue. Arab revolutions took several generations of protesting to really start, the segregation in the US only stopped after several generations of slavery and protests, etc etc.[/QUOTE] Well whether they're portrayed as "strange" or not, there's not going to be many people who will try and ignore who they are.

[QUOTE=Mon;32398352]the movement HAS been triggered. the school should be a safe haven from political bias.[/QUOTE] How is telling students "You should always treat your fellow classmates/friends/etc. with the same level of respect you'd expect from them, regardless of race or sexual orientation" political bias?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32398691]How is telling students "You should always treat your fellow classmates/friends/etc. with the same level of respect you'd expect from them, regardless of race or sexual orientation" political bias?[/QUOTE] because to some, it swings too far to the left. think about what you're proposing for a second man. sure, homosexuals will get their fair treatment, but odds are in areas like the more backwater states, people will be absolutely infuriated by this - some people might even turn to homeschooling. you have to roll this stuff out slowly. start off in environments where the chances of an uproar are minimal.

Well isnt everything we learn in school important? life skills? Knowledge? But of course, you can argue that you will never use science in your life or on occasions, which is like sex. You choose to have sex or not, unless your getting raped but that's something different. I think sex ed should be in school because where else will you learn it? My dad does a shitty job explaining it. The internet of sometimes full of shit. Of course, the schools could teach kids incorrect information, but that rasies the question. What source out there cannot be tampered? Aside from that, sex ed should stay in school . The basics of sex ed is to learn female and male genitals and how stuff works. Or course, it's always with a male and a female, never the same gender. I would disagree with teaching the concept of gay into schools since there isn't much facts about it except for it's having same_-sex sex, or relationship. It's a personal choice. Although I believe knowledge is power, people the age of 8 know what gays are. but still, people these days are using the word gay incorrectly. It's mainly teens where they say, "that's so gay' when they really mean that's so bad, or stupid. it's the usage of the word gay which gives the impression that gay is as bad as whatever the word is being used in.

[QUOTE=Mon;32398729]because to some, it swings too far to the left. think about what you're proposing for a second man. sure, homosexuals will get their fair treatment, but odds are in areas like the more backwater states, people will be absolutely infuriated by this - some people might even turn to homeschooling. you have to roll this stuff out slowly. start off in environments where the chances of an uproar are minimal.[/QUOTE] Better take the "treat others as you would like to be treated" placards out of the schools, bigots might think it's biased!

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32398795]Better take the "treat others as you would like to be treated" placards out of the schools, bigots might think it's biased![/QUOTE] you're only seeing this from your viewpoint - the world doesn't revolve around you.

[QUOTE=Mon;32398843]you're only seeing this from your viewpoint, but the world doesn't revolve around you.[/QUOTE] "treat others as you would like to be treated" is quite literally the opposite of selfishness. If you consider that "acting like the world revolves around me", that's preposterous.

[QUOTE=Mon;32398843]you're only seeing this from your viewpoint, but the world doesn't revolve around you.[/QUOTE] You just claimed that the Golden Rule "swings too far to the left". The thing that schools have been teaching for centuries, isn't conservative enough. Think about that.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32398892]"treat others as you would like to be treated" is quite literally the opposite of selfishness. If you consider that "acting like the world revolves around me", that's preposterous.[/QUOTE] you have to think about this from your typical ultra-right-wing fox news viewer's perspective. the second they hear about this, they're going to be pissed - very pissed. odds are they'll protest, and pull their kids out of school. and then there's the administrative impact - whoever came up with the idea is going to be put under a heap of both praise and hate. in the end though, a lot of shit will be stirred over an issue that could have been fixed more gradually. trust me, i'm all for teaching that homosexuals are equals - just not in today's societal environment

[QUOTE=garychencool;32398784] but still, people these days are using the word gay incorrectly. It's mainly teens where they say, "that's so gay' when they really mean that's so bad, or stupid. it's the usage of the word gay which gives the impression that gay is as bad as whatever the word is being used in.[/QUOTE] I'm not gay but I find it extremely infuriating when people do this.