Teaching homosexuality in school - General

[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32396608]Yes it is. No baby is born saying, "I like other men!" or "I like other women!" Sorry, everything you do in your life is a decision. I don't buy this "born this way" bullshit.[/QUOTE] well it sure is a good thing that you're not in a position of power because you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;32399670]If you could prove this, you might be a Nobel candidate. The leading theory is the time at which and the concentration of a certain hormone the developing baby is exposed to while in the womb. If it was genetic, you'd see patterns emerging.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfBOGXFkC8c&list=FLK1pJP8BFPjVAEcOurp8Jrw&index=1[/media] to aid you

[QUOTE=Mon;32399575]people are talking about it. we're talking about it right now. i just don't think it would do to put it in schools. you've got all these gullible, malleable kids with their stubborn parents - it's just a breeding ground for a shitstorm.[/QUOTE] Us talking about it doesn't matter. Talking about it to kids [i]does[/i].

[QUOTE=Mon;32398967] trust me, i'm all for teaching that homosexuals are equals - just not in today's societal environment[/QUOTE] if we don't do it then homosexuals won't be accepted. people who don't fight for rights won't get those rights [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] it's literally the exact same argument that a lot of northern anti-abolitionists used in defense of slavery. "Yeah slavery is wrong but we can't get rid of it right now because society isn't ready"

[QUOTE=J!NX;32399714][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfBOGXFkC8c&list=FLK1pJP8BFPjVAEcOurp8Jrw&index=1[/media] to aid you[/QUOTE] Why do I need this to guide me? It's a very dumbed down cartoon that's completely unsourced.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32399733]Us talking about it doesn't matter. Talking about it to kids [i]does[/i].[/QUOTE] you've got me there.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;32399785]Why do I need this to guide me? It's a very dumbed down cartoon that's completely unsourced.[/QUOTE] "The leading theory is the time at which and the concentration of a certain hormone the developing baby is exposed to while in the womb." Ammo is all

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32399756]if we don't do it then homosexuals won't be accepted. people who don't fight for rights won't get those rights [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] it's literally the exact same argument that a lot of northern anti-abolitionists used in periods of slavery. "Yeah slavery is wrong but we can't get rid of it right now because society isn't ready"[/QUOTE] About slavery: The first arguments for pro-slavery they used were that blacks were happy and loved working for their masters. When they started losing that argument they started pulling the uncivilized and basically animal-like in intelligence card. Slave-owners would argue that blacks NEEDED guidance by their masters or else they would go out and rape and pillage, and destroy the country. To bring this back around, people will try to rationalize minorities needing to be kept under for multitudes of reasons, primarily out of fear of their own position in the societal totem pole. Either the minority isn't ready for freedom, the minority will not be able to handle freedom, the minority is unfit for freedom, or that giving the minority freedoms will cause the collapse of society (what is commonly used by anti-marriage proponents). These arguments are all invalid because it suggests that more of the same brings on a change. More of the same brings on the same. If we don't push people out of the comfort zone, then they will never be forced to change. You can't just kill the ants invading your kitchen, you have to take out the whole colony to stop the infestation.

[QUOTE=J!NX;32399843]"The leading theory is the time at which and the concentration of a certain hormone the developing baby is exposed to while in the womb." Ammo is all[/QUOTE] Consider that the environment in the womb is shared by the twins, and twin studies aren't the only studies done to find the reason behind homosexuality in humans. I wonder why I'm gay all the time :v:. There's equal evidence in birth order studies, which is caused by a non-genetic reason. It's a massive biological headache.

people (in debates, that is) shouldn't even bother w/ homosexuality being a choice or not a choice because that shouldn't change a thing

[QUOTE=Legend286;32399371]Are you really saying it's not natural? I mean, REALLY...[/QUOTE] technically speaking, from a biological standpoint, it isn't. procreation is done by means of heterosexuality. Now, it being natural within human psychology & sociology, yes, it is natural.

[QUOTE=Amplar;32400177]technically speaking, from a biological standpoint, it isn't.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. It naturally occurs in nature. Not to mention there have been genetic benefits linked to homosexuality.

[QUOTE=Amplar;32400177]technically speaking, from a biological standpoint, it isn't. procreation is done by means of heterosexuality.[/QUOTE] Because only procreation is natural? Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom, it is quite natural.

[QUOTE=SomTervo;32399432]haha what? sure being gay isn't normal but even if it wasn't natural (which it is) what does nature have to do with anything? smallpox is natural, so should we let it stick around? no, we shouldn't. it certainly doesn't help your argument that a bunch of animals other then humans can be gay, so I really can't figure how an elephant can unnaturally decide to be gay. I also can't figure out why everyone doesn't want any sexuality or sex ed in schools, why have shitty education that leads to more unwanted pregnancies and stds when you can easily prevent it with some sexuality in school? it's not like sexuality is some horrible child corrupting monster.[/QUOTE] If homosexuality was the norm the male gender would be able to bear children.

[QUOTE=Amplar;32400177]technically speaking, from a biological standpoint, it isn't. procreation is done by means of heterosexuality. Now, it being natural within human psychology & sociology, yes, it is natural.[/QUOTE] Well it's still technically "biologically" natural, just not in the sense of procreation.

[QUOTE=SnowCanary;32400339]If homosexuality was the norm the male gender would be able to bear children.[/QUOTE] Why? Why does something need to be "the norm" or done by most people for it to be considered okay?

[QUOTE=Amplar;32400177]technically speaking, from a biological standpoint, it isn't. procreation is done by means of heterosexuality. Now, it being natural within human psychology & sociology, yes, it is natural.[/QUOTE] Homosexuality doesn't only occur amongst humans though.

Schools shouldn't make it seem special and shouldn't ingore it all together.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32400360]Why? Why does something need to be "the norm" or done by most people for it to be considered okay?[/QUOTE] Because some people are too ignorant to see it's not just a human thing, thus it's quite normal. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;32400389]Schools shouldn't make it seem special and shouldn't ingore it all together.[/QUOTE] I hate it when people consider it "special" when it's really not, I know if I were gay I wouldn't want to be treated any different to how I am treated now. That's why I think the concept of racism is also stupid. No-one should be judged based on personal characteristics.

My opinion is that homosexuality doesn't need to be taught. There's nothing about it to teach. I don't know why anyone would even bring it up, and it'd be terrible having "Homosexuality" as a subject.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;32400389]Schools shouldn't make it seem special and shouldn't ingore it all together.[/QUOTE] Telling kids that homosexuals should be treated as equals isn't making it special at all.

[QUOTE=voltlight;32400449]My opinion is that homosexuality doesn't need to be taught. There's nothing about it to teach. I don't know why anyone would even bring it up, and it'd be terrible having "Homosexuality" as a subject.[/QUOTE] No one is suggesting we have a "homosexuality" class, but to teach children that they are just as equal as heterosexuals, and should not be bullied.

[QUOTE=voltlight;32400449]My opinion is that homosexuality doesn't need to be taught. There's nothing about it to teach. I don't know why anyone would even bring it up, and it'd be terrible having "Homosexuality" as a subject.[/QUOTE] Acceptance of it needs to be taught.

Why should it matter if it exists biologically or not? People can love whoever the fuck they please and no one should be able to dictate that. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32400468]Telling kids that homosexuals should be treated as equals isn't making it special at all.[/QUOTE] By making it "special," I meant having like 5 chapters of a health book just on homosexuality. Parents and homophobic students would flip out. It should be taught alongside heterosexuality.

[QUOTE=voltlight;32400449]There's nothing about it to teach. [/QUOTE] Besides the fact it has a lot to do with politics, biology, psychology and sex ed and that the average view of it is scientifically wrong and stupid.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;32400502]Why should it matter if it exists biologically or not? People can love whoever the fuck they please and no one should be able to dictate that. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] By making it "special," I meant having like 5 chapters of a health book just on homosexuality. Parents and homophobic students would flip out. It should be taught alongside heterosexuality.[/QUOTE] Well who cares if the scum of the world have a problem with it, let them do it. Maybe after they've had their rant they can go back to fucking their siblings. Though I do agree it shouldn't be treated as anything special.

[QUOTE=SnowCanary;32400339]If homosexuality was the norm the male gender would be able to bear children.[/QUOTE] I never said it was normal? I outright said "sure being gay isn't normal" (Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it (there isn't) but most people aren't gay so it's not normal)

[QUOTE=voltlight;32400449]My opinion is that homosexuality doesn't need to be taught. There's nothing about it to teach. I don't know why anyone would even bring it up, and it'd be terrible having "Homosexuality" as a subject.[/QUOTE] Homosexuality didn't just start existing 10 years ago. Homosexuality has more historic prevalence and importance then many of the common topics taught in school. Of course you wouldn't know that because you were never taught that in school.

[QUOTE=SomTervo;32400671]I never said it was normal? I outright said "sure being gay isn't normal" (Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it (there isn't) but most people aren't gay so it's not normal)[/QUOTE] Uncommon because people don't like to flaunt it (or most people with any sort of self respect don't...) doesn't mean it's not normal. Normality isn't "the majority" it's normality.

[QUOTE=Legend286;32400573]Well who cares if the scum of the world have a problem with it, let them do it. Maybe after they've had their rant they can go back to fucking their siblings. Though I do agree it shouldn't be treated as anything special.[/QUOTE] Exactly. It's relevant and common in today's society, so there's absolutely no reason to not teach it besides a couple of idiots feeling uncomfortable. Besides, didn't we all feel uncomfortable during 5th/6th grade health class?