Teaching homosexuality in school - General

[QUOTE=Amplar;32396530]sometimes it is, some people choose to be what they're not just to be accepted.[/QUOTE] You can choose to do homosexual acts. You can not choose whether to be straight/bi/homosexual.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;32403658]You can choose to do homosexual acts. You can not choose whether to be straight/bi/homosexual.[/QUOTE] or rather, to be genuinely attracted to it, sexually

Alright. Let me clear up some things because I seem to be getting a lot of hate for referencing a Wikipedia article and saying it's a choice. I DO believe that the way you are raised and the type of people you are around when you are young affect the way you think. It's understandable that someone with a gay father, or lesbian mother would see things more "openly" than someone with heterosexual parents. It's common sense, I would like to reference, "If you sleep with dogs you get fleas" as a way of saying, "Those around you affect you." but due to the immense amount of people getting pissed off in this thread, I'm not going to lay anything on that phrase, as some may find it "offensive." I do NOT see any reason to believe (yet) that homosexuality is a genetic thing. While there is research that suggests it, there is nothing in concrete to make me believe it. Once more sufficient evidence is suggested, I may be convinced otherwise, but as of right now I stick with my opinion.

I think that homosexuality should be mentioned in sex ed to the extent of 1. That homosexuality exists and that it isn't too uncommon 2. Most of the time it isn't a choice 3. It isn't a bad thing It doesn't have to have it's own segment of class to teach it. It can be explained in a few sentences. This will insure that homosexuality isn't something that is something completely different once they encounter it, one of the first experiences with knowledge of homosexuality isn't a negative one, and gay kids won't feel that there is something wrong with them.

I didn't one day just decide "Hey I think I'll be asexual". It was a natural thing.

[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32403865]Alright. Let me clear up some things because I seem to be getting a lot of hate for referencing a Wikipedia article and saying it's a choice. I DO believe that the way you are raised and the type of people you are around when you are young affect the way you think. It's understandable that someone with a gay father, or lesbian mother would see things more "openly" than someone with heterosexual parents. It's common sense, I would like to reference, "If you sleep with dogs you get fleas" as a way of saying, "Those around you affect you." but due to the immense amount of people getting pissed off in this thread, I'm not going to lay anything on that phrase, as some may find it "offensive." I do NOT see any reason to believe (yet) that homosexuality is a genetic thing. While there is research that suggests it, there is nothing in concrete to make me believe it. Once more sufficient evidence is suggested, I may be convinced otherwise, but as of right now I stick with my opinion.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CrispexOps;32396489]Sexual preference is a decision much like religion for people to make.[/QUOTE] You downright said people personally choose what they are sexually attracted to. And as a gay person, I've been around negativity towards homosexuality, and yet, I'm still gay, I didn't simply "choose it". Thats an insane, bigoted belief.

[QUOTE=Mon;32398729]because to some, it swings too far to the left. think about what you're proposing for a second man. sure, homosexuals will get their fair treatment, but odds are in areas like the more backwater states, people will be absolutely infuriated by this - some people might even turn to homeschooling. you have to roll this stuff out slowly. start off in environments where the chances of an uproar are minimal.[/QUOTE] People who are drastically against teaching homosexuality in school are very often the same who are against any sort of sex ed or who think the theory of evolution shouldn't be evoked in school. There's no way education should abide by the rules of a few guys swinging crosses all around the country. It's not the medieval times anymore, religion isn't the leader of the world, so fuck them and keep going. A lot of important decisions to make the world advance were taken against religion. Deciding to go along with their choice won't make it easier and waiting for the topic to lose some of its opponents is stupid - once again, if no one teaches the new generation what they have to know, no one will and it will just be the previous one all over again, including as much if not more fundamentalists. Also, kids at 14 are capable of making a decision, especially if the decision is something around "realize homosexuals are normal and treat them as equal by not considering their sexual taste what defines them first, or keep treating them as weird cases of half-human inferior things, and get yourself treated as the homophobic asshole that you will be once you grow up a bit more".

[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32403865]Alright. Let me clear up some things because I seem to be getting a lot of hate for referencing a Wikipedia article and saying it's a choice. I DO believe that the way you are raised and the type of people you are around when you are young affect the way you think. It's understandable that someone with a gay father, or lesbian mother would see things more "openly" than someone with heterosexual parents. It's common sense, I would like to reference, "If you sleep with dogs you get fleas" as a way of saying, "Those around you affect you." but due to the immense amount of people getting pissed off in this thread, I'm not going to lay anything on that phrase, as some may find it "offensive." I do NOT see any reason to believe (yet) that homosexuality is a genetic thing. While there is research that suggests it, there is nothing in concrete to make me believe it. Once more sufficient evidence is suggested, I may be convinced otherwise, but as of right now I stick with my opinion.[/QUOTE] If it doesn't have genetic influences, then how would you explain homosexuality in animals? And there's research showing that genetics influences your tastes, so genetic disposition for anatomical features from the same sex would influence homosexuality.

[QUOTE=Mechanical_Chicken;32403918]I think that homosexuality should be mentioned in sex ed to the extent of 1. That homosexuality exists and that it isn't too uncommon 2. Most of the time it isn't a choice 3. It isn't a bad thing It doesn't have to have it's own segment of class to teach it. It can be explained in a few sentences. This will insure that homosexuality isn't something that is something completely different once they encounter it, one of the first experiences with knowledge of homosexuality isn't a negative one, and gay kids won't feel that there is something wrong with them.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, that's pretty much all there is to say. Sure people will get butthurt about this (hence that spongebob cartoon once shown in school where bob tells them to be tolerant towards people of different skin color, ethnicity, sex and sexual orientation and infuriated a buttload of Christians around)

[QUOTE=Rubs10;32403987]If it doesn't have genetic influence, then how do you explain homosexuality in animals? And there's research showing that genetics influences your tastes, so genetic disposition for anatomical features from the same sex might influence homosexuality.[/QUOTE] its less genetic, more what happens in the womb feminine traits in males pays a massive role

[QUOTE=Rubs10;32403987]If it doesn't have genetic influences, then how would you explain homosexuality in animals? And there's research showing that genetics influences your tastes, so genetic disposition for anatomical features from the same sex might influence homosexuality.[/QUOTE] The only thing that can properly influence your sexual taste is the amount of Testosterone and Estrogen your body has (which can by the way be seen by the length of your fingers, that's not a joke). Even in these cases it's still influencing very few on your sexual orientation, and the quantities of estrogen/testosterone you have to possess in order to be more likely to be homosexual are rather surprising (you don't have more chances when you have a lot of estrogen but more likely when your levels of estrogen and testosterone are equal). About homosexual animals, I'll make you notice most of them are male-male, almost never female-female. That's because homosexuality isn't really a specific state in the animal reign and most animals do that because their instinct tell them to screw something while there's nothing female to screw around, or for domination purposes in some cases. It's far from being regular, nor really important.

What in the fuck are you all talking about jesus christ Have any of you read the article? They're teaching gay [b]history[/b]. This is the same as teaching about slavery, women's rights or WWII. They're not advocating anything. I mean sure it's a bit weird because they've somewhat gone and separated them from normal people but it's nothing like what you're all making it out to be.

[QUOTE=Heroms;32404060]What in the fuck are you all talking about jesus christ Have any of you read the article? They're teaching gay [b]history[/b]. This is the same as teaching about slavery, women's rights or WWII. They're not advocating anything. I mean sure it's a bit weird because they've somewhat gone and separated them from normal people but it's nothing like what you're all making it out to be.[/QUOTE] Because it's such a heated topic. They don't teach religion in school, sexual preference is one of those "taboo" topics to talk about. Basically they don't want people teaching it out of respect for other people.

The "choice" layer of sexuality does exist, but [b]only[/b] if the biological layer says "bisexual". e.g. if biologically you're gay, you're gay and that's unchangeable. But if biologically you're bi, then maybe after you've tried both you decide you prefer cocks.

i was a dumb person

[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32404084]Because it's such a heated topic. They don't teach religion in school, sexual preference is one of those "taboo" topics to talk about. Basically they don't want people teaching it out of respect for other people.[/QUOTE] Homosexuality being a more heated topic than slavery or the holocaust? In what sense? And actually, they did teach religion in my highschool, so I don't know what you're talking about.

This is more a contextual debate about teaching homosexuality rather than talking about specifically teaching gay history (and to be honest I even see less of a problem with history, it doesn't have to be separated from the rest of the history program and I always thought it was already included, at least in France I got multiple times various passages concerning homos).

[QUOTE=ZeFruitNazi;32404098]Homosexuals piss me off. There's absolutely no logical reason for it, it's all about reproduction. In my experience, gays are mostly teenagers who want to try something new, or be "independent" or some shit. Homosexuality is destructive to the human species, but given how retarded some people are to actually BEING homosexual int he first place, that isn't the worst part about it. Now, I'm not saying they're bad people. Just confused and need to be brought up correctly.[/QUOTE] As correct as you may be by saying it isn't logical from a biological standpoint, homosexuality isn't as much of a choice as you think it is. See, homosexuality (last I've checked, could be outdated information) is largely caused by hormonal imbalance during puberty and such. Basically, you get too much of one hormone and not enough of the other, and your sexual preference changes. This is something that happens naturally and is existent in other creatures outside humanity, and although upbringing does have something to do with it, true homosexuality isn't a choice by any means. Also, homosexuality isn't really destructive. In fact, it's actually kind of a good thing. See, homosexual couples won't reproduce, which means they won't contribute to overpopulation. Supplementing that, if a homosexual male couple (and sometimes lesbian couples as well) wants a child, their only option is to adopt a child. This means there are less orphans in the social system, which means less money the government has to pay to that department and/or a more sufficient social system.

[QUOTE=Fhenexx;32404188]As correct as you may be by saying it isn't logical from a biological standpoint.[/QUOTE] He isn't correct. It happens biologically therefore it's logical biologically. Otherwise humans would be the only animals with homosexuality, or it wouldn't occur at all.

[QUOTE=Fhenexx;32404188]Supplementing that, if a homosexual male couple (and sometimes lesbian couples as well) wants a child, their only option is to adopt a child. This means there are less orphans in the social system, which means less money the government has to pay to that department and/or a more sufficient social system.[/QUOTE] That's pure theory here. The number of countries where two homosexuals can adopt a child and make it legally considered the child of both of them are ultra-rare. Most of the time it's one of them who gets the kid and the other isn't even mentioned, or the adoption is just flat out refused.

Just to clarify, most pedophiles are not homosexual. It's a power issue, kind of like rape. They do it because the rush of having the power over the child is much better than being with a woman. You should not and cannot put pedophiles and homosexuals in the same group. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fhenexx;32404188]As correct as you may be by saying it isn't logical from a biological standpoint, homosexuality isn't as much of a choice as you think it is. See, homosexuality (last I've checked, could be outdated information) is largely caused by hormonal imbalance during puberty and such. Basically, you get too much of one hormone and not enough of the other, and your sexual preference changes. This is something that happens naturally and is existent in other creatures outside humanity, and although upbringing does have something to do with it, true homosexuality isn't a choice by any means.[/QUOTE] So you're saying nature fucked up in a way? It is doing something it shouldn't naturally do although it happens for some odd reason.

[QUOTE=RusMar;32404644]Just to clarify, most pedophiles are not homosexual. It's a power issue, kind of like rape. They do it because the rush of having the power over the child is much better than being with a woman. You should not and cannot put pedophiles and homosexuals in the same group.[/QUOTE] You're confusing pedophiles with child molesters.

[QUOTE=Heroms;32404099]Homosexuality being a more heated topic than slavery or the holocaust? In what sense?[/QUOTE] I guess they feel safe teaching those things in schools everywhere because we all agree that both the Holocaust and the enslavement of black people were very bad moves (to put it one way).

[QUOTE=ZeFruitNazi;32404098]Homosexuals piss me off. There's absolutely no logical reason for it, it's all about reproduction. In my experience, gays are mostly teenagers who want to try something new, or be "independent" or some shit. Homosexuality is destructive to the human species, but given how retarded some people are to actually BEING homosexual int he first place, that isn't the worst part about it. Now, I'm not saying they're bad people. Just confused and need to be brought up correctly.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry I make you mad. Now I'm not a teenager, haven't been for a while at least. I have a job, pay for my stuff, all of that. I'm just like anyone else. I just like men, I'm not confused about this at all. I say you're confused, that you were brought up poorly into believing that homosexuality is in no part biological, and that it's just some choice someone can make one day in order to stand out or something of the sort. While this is possible in some cases, it is hardly the major reason behind why people are gay. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] I personally don't agree with teaching homosexuality in school, at least on its own. If anything else, it could be brought up as younger children are learning about life in general. Devoting a whole period of time to homosexuality itself just sounds silly to me.

[QUOTE=ZeFruitNazi;32404098]In my experience, gays are mostly teenagers who want to try something new, or be "independent" or some shit.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/2zthfut.jpg[/IMG]

I believe sexual orientation to be effected by psychological factors and not biological factors. If anything children are born with no attraction to either sexuality. This is an opinion of course, doesn't make it right, but I feel that saying its not a choice is just an excuse to me. Also before we teach children about homosexuality, we need to teach children about the psychological affect bulling has on children and that it needs not happen ever, no one deserves physical or psychological abuse from anyone and that in turn would prevent abuse based on someones sexual orientation. I believe bullies to be the worst thing in the school environment, not the lack of a sex ed class that includes homosexuality.

[QUOTE=Resfan;32405190]I feel that saying its not a choice is just an excuse to me.[/QUOTE] It isn't.

[QUOTE=Resfan;32405190] Also before we teach children about homosexuality, we need to teach children about the psychological affect bulling has on children and that it needs not happen ever, no one deserves physical or psychological abuse from anyone and that in turn would prevent abuse based on someones sexual orientation. I believe bullies to be the worst thing in the school environment, not the lack of a sex ed class that includes homosexuality.[/QUOTE] You can kill many birds with one stone by just teaching kids overall tolerance. Let them know that pretty much everyone is different, some in ways you can see, and some in ways you can't, but that everyone is equal as a human being. Anti-bullying policies do absolutely need to be more well enforced though.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32405601]You can kill many birds with one stone by just teaching kids overall tolerance. Let them know that pretty much everyone is different, some in ways you can see, and some in ways you can't, but that everyone is equal as a human being. Anti-bullying policies do absolutely need to be more well enforced though.[/QUOTE] Basically what I was taught as kid and it's sad to see people who were taught the same as me have changed to more bigoted and closed views.

[QUOTE=Fables;32405620]Basically what I was taught as kid and it's sad to see people who were taught the same as me have changed to more bigoted and closed views.[/QUOTE] Blame the parents. A kid can learn all about tolerance all day at school and it'll mean nothing if they go home to their alcoholic father yelling about the "fag couple that just moved in across the street"