• Anyone who thinks they know 60s rock, get in here! I need your help!
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Basically Sporkfire has continued to shit up my thread because I'm not including his favourite style of music. He's failed to read the OP, listen to other posters, or to listen to me when I tried to explain why it was not in there. When I read sporkfire's posts, a little part of me dies inside. Now though, he is gone and all is well again
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27665973]Basically Sporkfire has continued to shit up my thread because I'm not including his favourite style of music. He's failed to read the OP, listen to other posters, or to listen to me when I tried to explain why it was not in there. When I read sporkfire's posts, a little part of me dies inside. Now though, he is gone and all is well again[/QUOTE] His opinion is worth that of a grain of sand.
By the way OP, when talking about rock music in the late '60s, be sure to mention The Nice: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9jHTYZ-6U[/media] Featuring Keith Emerson on keyboards, they were one of the most important acts in helping bridge the gap between psychedelic and progressive rock.
[QUOTE=Peavy262;27666028]His opinion is worth that of a grain of sand.[/QUOTE] Indeed he is If he wasn't so fucking boneheaded things might be different, until then he's arguably the most aggravating person in the music sub section. Also thanks for the friend request <3 [editline]26th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CoolCorky;27666254]By the way OP, when talking about rock music in the late '60s, be sure to mention The Nice: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9jHTYZ-6U[/media] Featuring Keith Emerson on keyboards, they were one of the most important acts in helping bridge the gap between psychedelic and progressive rock.[/QUOTE] Corky that's absolutely perfect, I've been wondering about that for a while. Also to anyone reading, making edits and taking suggestions right now. It'd be nice to have some people to talk to as I'm working [editline]26th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=strayebyrd;27606591]I'm not too sharp on the sixties, it was the 70's where I take real interest in my rock, but if you're mentioning the evolution of hip-hop - DJing MCing Breaking Beatboxing and Grafitti - I can aid you there. Also anything to do with political dissent in music[/QUOTE] Unfortunately I was unable to include a hip hop section, I'm sorry :( I'm sure you would've been helpful though Thanks a lot for the offer though, it means a lot Also the more I think about this the more it makes sense, no matter who reads this, they're going to go "Oh this guy is missing"
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27665973]Basically Sporkfire has continued to shit up my thread because I'm not including his favourite style of music. He's failed to read the OP, listen to other posters, or to listen to me when I tried to explain why it was not in there. When I read sporkfire's posts, a little part of me dies inside. Now though, he is gone and all is well again[/QUOTE] Pop and R&B are far from my favorite musical styles, but I guess if you fail to read my posts you would have come to that conclusion. So please enlighten me to as why you only have 3 genres in a paper that is supposed to be focused on music in the 20th century as an entirety? The question stipulated music as an entirety, the answers I got from others were downright silly ranging from "it doesn't have superstars", to "but I don't think its important!". So do you have an actual legitimate answer? You can resort to that childish "u mad" argument that the excluding genres are my favorites, which is untrue, but I do have a feeling the genres you're writing about happen to be your favorites... hows that for hypocrisy? In all I was only pointing out a serious flaw in your paper.
Well would you look who's back And I think it's pretty clear who's childish in this argument, go read the past 2 pages you clogged up with your shit and I think you'll understand
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27667325]Well would you look who's back And I think it's pretty clear who's childish in this argument, go read the past 2 pages you clogged up with your shit and I think you'll understand[/QUOTE] Although he had a terrible, terrible way of presenting it (his arguments were buried under the waah waah where is my electro), Sporkfire did have a point. Why aren't you trying to cover major genres like hip-hop/r&b/electronica? They may not be genres you like, but I would have though in order to get the best grades you'd need to talk about them, as they (especially hip-hop) have had a massive cultural influence and have certainly evolved since they were originally developed.
I negotiated that with the person supervising me for the project I told them that I'd be missing out some key things because of the time constraint and they were fine with that. I made a list of things that I'd enjoy writing about less than others, and hip hop and electronica were part of that list. Eventually they were selected and unluckily for them, they were neglected. It can't be helped, and I'm not expected to cover everything. To suggest I do is stupid. Eventually it came down to me what I chose to miss out, and from what you can see sporkfire bitching about like a 14 year old girl about should be proof enough what I chose
Start with Roots then go onto how modern genres were influenced. It is pretty obvious no? So why repeat it endlessly into a meaningless argument. Spork kept going on about POP R&B and Electronica. Tell me one electronica record that has sold more than 2 million copies. EDIT: nevermind, remembered Moby... mention moby :3:
Well if you've talked it over with your teacher and can write well about the genres you've chosen to focus on then I guess that's alright. hnngh why does chrome not think "alright" is a word
Because you guys can't help it, you love arguing about music that's the foundation of this sub forum [editline]26th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CoolCorky;27667549]Well if you've talked it over with your teacher and can write well about the genres you've chosen to focus on then I guess that's alright. hnngh why does chrome not think "alright" is a word[/QUOTE] It doesn't like anymore either [editline]26th January 2011[/editline] Also I made changes to the intro, now seems like a good time to post it It&#8217;s debatable as to exactly where rock music originated, and how. However there are some solid foundations which it&#8217;s said to have been derived from. It&#8217;s important to note that Rock music was essentially the combination of blues, country music, jazz and gospel together. Obviously, leading up to the 60s , the music scene was experiencing a flourish of jazz and blues related acts as the age of Jazz was reaching it&#8217;s pinnacle. Two of these jazz and blues related artists, Chuck Berry and BB King have been said to have exhibited some of the first characteristic s of rock n&#8217; roll music. Both Chuck Berry and BB King were often referred to as being blues, jazz, or rock n&#8217; roll guitarists. Chuck Berry was known for his characteristic &#8220;duck walk&#8221;, energetic playing style and his rock n&#8217; roll riffs. He helped to completely and individually redevelope R&B music into the core elements that would eventually form 60s rock and roll. By writing lyrics that were mainly concerned by teen life and adopting the identity and stage persona of a typical American rock star, his ability as a guitarist and more importantly the style of music he was writing would become a major staple in the world of rock music. Some say that Chuck Berry had more of an impact on rock music than any other. BB King however was a jazz and blues musician. Possessing an iconic, gospel voice and a jazz band to play behind him, BB King was an extremely influential force to many of the rock bands who would emerge soon after him, and that of those in the 60s. With his signature guitar, &#8220;Lucille&#8221; BB King wrote classic songs like &#8220;The Thrill Has Gone Away&#8221;, and BB King is one of the highest regarded blues guitarists in the world. Rated as one of the top three best guitarists of all time by The Rolling Stone, BB King was one of the early blues and jazz guitarists who helped to popularize electric blues music. He was one of the original blues guitarists who brought modern day African American blues guitar to &#8220;white&#8221; America. Also artists like Little Richard were also important to the development of rock. Little Richard was an important figure in the transformation for rhythm and blues music to rock and roll in the 50s. Armed with his explosive musical talent, stage persona and charisma, Little Richard was a pivotal figure on and off stage, the self proclaimed &#8220;architect of rock and roll&#8221;. Some of his earlier works, with the raspy vocals and piano playing on songs such as &#8220;Long Tall Sally&#8221;, or perhaps &#8220;God Golly, Miss Molly&#8221; helped to eventually create the dynamic sound of rock and roll that was fused with traditional black music such as R&B and soul. [b]Trying to add some more influential people but it's getting out of control. Muddy Waters is #1 and as Akayz suggested, the Black verses White part of it is also being written. I'm not posting it until I'm happy though. Going to spend most of tomorrow doing it, would've done more today but I wasn't sober[/b]
[QUOTE=AK'z;27667534] Tell me one electronica record that has sold more than 2 million copies. EDIT: nevermind, remembered Moby... mention moby :3:[/QUOTE] and Discovery and a slew of others, thats not much of an indicator to judge popularity though, it doesn't work the same for all genres across the board. How many times are you going to prove yourself wrong? Christ you thought and probably still think that Kraftwerk wasn't anything special. you know if enguage gave the explanation he just did now, I wouldn't even have bothered to post in the thread.
Oh god, if you're not going to contribute please stop arguing with the people who are... Fuck you're annoying
[QUOTE=Lamar;27667595]I wouldn't even have bothered to post in the thread.[/QUOTE] Bit late to say that now isn't it?
[QUOTE=AK'z;27667627]Bit late to say that now isn't it?[/QUOTE] it's not if you include the previous part I wrote before it.
[QUOTE=Lamar;27667595]and Discovery and a slew of others, thats not much of an indicator to judge popularity though, it doesn't work the same for all genres across the board. [/QUOTE] That is your only remotely okay-ish point you have made [QUOTE=Lamar;27667595]Christ you thought and probably still think that Kraftwerk wasn't anything special. [/QUOTE] Then you talk the most bullshit I've ever heard.
[QUOTE=AK'z;27667671]That is your only remotely okay-ish point you have made Then you talk the most bullshit I've ever heard.[/QUOTE] You mean you haven't dismissed Kraftwerk as not being influential multiple times before? I don't care what you think of them, but I don't go on about saying the same for influential rock artists, just because I'm not a fan of the genre or artists in particular. Also how is the 2 million records point remotely okay-ish? You've been proven [b]completely[/b] wrong. [QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27667684]Akayz stop being so easily manipulated by the fool Sporkfire, stop derailing my thread. Half of the replies have been to YOU, not to ME[/QUOTE] for every post of mine there was an Ak'z post, so why does it have to be me?
Akayz stop being so easily manipulated by the fool Sporkfire, stop derailing my thread. Half of the replies have been to YOU, not to ME
[QUOTE=Lamar;27667682]You mean you haven't dismissed Kraftwerk as not being influential multiple times before?[/QUOTE] Not really, they're legends. And if you don't really care for the genre, why post it? Doesn't make sense to me at all, It's like "Mention The Beatles they were truly influential and unique for the time, I personally don't like them but still!!!" [editline]26th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lamar;27667682] Also how is the 2 million records point remotely okay-ish? You've been proven [b]completely[/b] wrong. [/QUOTE] Yeah, by myself. I remembered Moby's Play album which was a landmark. I'm listening to it now. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=AK'z;27667711]Not really, they're legends. [/QUOTE] wow thats a completely different tone compared to your previous posts regarding them. [QUOTE=AK'z;27667711] Doesn't make sense to me at all, It's like "Mention The Beatles they were truly influential and unique for the time, I personally don't like them but still!!!"[/QUOTE] Of course it doesn't make sense to you, you're judgmental about it. I don't care for influential rock artists, but I do understand and appreciate their influence to music as a whole, if you cared about music, it would have been the same to you and Kraftwerk. Why should I for instance dismiss the Beatles influence just because I don't like rock music, doesn't make sense for me.
[QUOTE=Lamar;27667752]wow thats a completely different tone compared to your previous posts regarding them. Of course it doesn't make sense to you, you're judgmental about it. I don't care for influential rock artists, but I do understand and appreciate their influence to music as a whole, if you cared about music, it would have been the same to you and Kraftwerk. Why should I for instance dismiss the Beatles influence just because I don't like rock music, doesn't make sense for me.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I personally don't know why you would acknowledge influences and not like them. And when have I said Kraftwerk were bad? You are obsessed with making my own opinion for me.
[QUOTE=AK'z;27667762]Yeah, I personally don't know why you would acknowledge influences and not like them. [/QUOTE] Because I don't care for the musical style, I still give credit when its due. [QUOTE=AK'z;27667762] And when have I said Kraftwerk were bad?[/QUOTE] You haven't, you just downplayed and outright denied their influence in multiple threads? Do you not remember the "name the most influential artists thread"?
[QUOTE=Lamar;27667783]"name the most influential artists thread"?[/QUOTE] Do you remember your "Why do people like metal" thread? :smug:
[QUOTE=AK'z;27667800]Do you remember your "Why do people like metal" thread?[/QUOTE] Yes I do, I've never denied the influence of metal though. It was on a entirely different matter. Grasping for straws?
[QUOTE=AK'z;27667800]Do you remember your "Why do people like metal" thread? :smug:[/QUOTE] Oh dear god whyyyyyyyyyy
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27667811]Oh dear god whyyyyyyyyyy[/QUOTE] I know right? It's completely irrelevant to the topic. We were discussing about influence, not my dis-taste for metal.
In the end it all boils down to caring for why it was influential. It is pointless to say that you appreciate how certain genres have developed, but not care for them. I don't think this thread is about dismissing anything neither. We mentioned Pop R&B as you brought up, do you really care that much for it to be included in a working for developements in the industry since 1900s? Going into to depth where there were hardly any genres as compared to now is more important for En-Gauge.
[QUOTE=Lamar;27667827]I know right? It's completely irrelevant to the topic. We were discussing about influence, not my dis-taste for metal.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'd want to forget that thread too if I was you
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnccZm4uw_M[/media] Great documentary where Stevie Wonder was rallying to get the go ahead on the "Martin Luther King" day holiday. I recommend watching it all, it would be more effective if you were accustomed to his artistry but I think something like that needs to be put down in history. Him being blind too, it really hits home how rare in world do we find this character.
[QUOTE=Super_Nova;27658189]I better see fucking Robert Johnson in this paper. REALLY important guy.[/QUOTE] Well... I agree, but he wasn't that much of a direct influence to rock. He was mainly an influence to other rock infleunces. Though I guess alot of bands such as The Rolling Stones have been influenced by him.
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