• Coyote Peterson gets stung by the warrior wasp and lives
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[QUOTE=Dr.C;52920351]The next logical step is for Coyote to create his own stinger and venom and start stinging other people[/QUOTE] [i]"I'm Coyote Peterson and we're about to enter the sting zone."[/i]
[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52919788]I mean, the video says they are professionally trained.[/QUOTE] No. The videos say they were trained by professionals. Coyote is professional filmmaker sure. He's not a scientist or authority on animals in any sense. [editline]25th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52921062]You don't need a degree to work with animals, you need permits or acceptance by organizations with permits. In Florida for example you need a class II wildlife license to own and/or display an alligator. You can apply for this regardless of anything, even if you don't have even a high school diploma. You just need 10,000 hours of working with class II animals in a controlled setting or a permitted organization vouch for you. This allows people with both the skill and passion to get these jobs even if they can't afford higher education if they really work for it. To be considered a field researcher the same things apply. It's by the grace of the organizations you work with, and Coyote Peterson has worked with virtually all of them at this point. He's just as qualified to be considered a scientist and educator as Steve Irwin was.[/QUOTE] Steve Irwin wasn't a scientist or educator either. He was an entertainer. You are completely missing the point. Of course you don't need a degree to work with animals. But having the necessary permit to handle an alligator for instance does not make one an expert or knowledgeable authority on alligators
[QUOTE=fptag;52921452]Steve Irwin wasn't a scientist or educator either. He was an entertainer.[/QUOTE] Newsflash: you can be both
[QUOTE=fptag;52921452]No. The videos say they were trained by professionals. Coyote is professional filmmaker sure. He's not a scientist or authority on animals in any sense.[/QUOTE] You don't have to be an authority on animals to be professionally trained and knowledgeable. Like, what exactly did he say to get your jimmies so rustled? I don't think he's given any misinformation or false facts, which is what you seem to be implying here.
[QUOTE=fptag;52919684]He isn't risking his life with any of these stings. They're painful stings but he's in absolutely no mortal danger. At core his show has a lot more in common with Johnny Knoxville's old Jackass show than it does say a Nat Geo documentary. It's all about watching 'Coyote' get stung, which I admit is very entertaining, but I find the way he tries to spin it like he's an educator and/or a scientist of some sort to be obnoxious. He's not a scientist, he's not a biologist, he's not a zoologist, he has absolutely no formal training in anything but filmmaking. I also think it's weird the way the tone of his show is so inconsistent. At times he talks to the camera like he's addressing other adults, and at other times he talks to the camera like he's addressing a bunch of pre-schoolers (e.g. "Hey Coyote Pack!" etc). And the goddamn Indiana Jones Halloween costume has not to go. I like his videos and he seems to be a pretty cool guy, [B]I'm just under no illusions that I'm watching something 'educational'; I'm watching a guy get stung.[/B][/QUOTE] Sounds to me like that's a problem with you and not with his content. Not all his videos are about insect stings.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52921589]Newsflash: you can be both[/QUOTE] Of course you can be both. But Steve Irwin wasn't a scientist or an educator. His show had some educational value (i.e. you could learn some basic facts about animals) but that doesn't make Irwin an "educator" except in a very broad, informal sense of the term. [editline]25th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;52921880]Sounds to me like that's a problem with you and not with his content. Not all his videos are about insect stings.[/QUOTE] You're apparently confused as to what I'm saying. I like Coyote and his videos. My point is simply that he's not risking his life when he gets stung and he's not an animal expert. He's an entertainer whose area of professional expertise is in filmmaking, not biology or entomology.
[QUOTE=fptag;52922349]Of course you can be both. But Steve Irwin wasn't a scientist or an educator. His show had some educational value (i.e. you could learn some basic facts about animals) but that doesn't make Irwin an "educator" except in a very broad, informal sense of the term. [editline]25th November 2017[/editline] You're apparently confused as to what I'm saying. I like Coyote and his videos. My point is simply that he's not risking his life when he gets stung and he's not an animal expert. He's an entertainer whose area of professional expertise is in filmmaking, not biology or entomology.[/QUOTE] That sounds arbitrary, unless you're going by some legal definition of what an "educator" is. Coyote's entire channel is dedicated to educating people. The stings are what get the most views, but the rest is all about animals, their behaviors, conservation efforts etc. I think the kid-friendly tone gets annoying too, from time to time, but he's not just some PG Johnny Knoxville, he's clearly got more hands-on experience and knowledge than you can expect from your average presenter. And, if you watch his videos, you'll know he spends more time sharing it than he does with these stunts
[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52921797]You don't have to be an authority on animals to be professionally trained and knowledgeable. Like, what exactly did he say to get your jimmies so rustled? I don't think he's given any misinformation or false facts, which is what you seem to be implying here.[/QUOTE] No; you've misunderstood me. I'm not saying that he's giving bad info. I stress again - I like his videos. I'm just pointing out that he isn't a scientist and is not a biologist or entomologist. He gives good information in his videos, but he gets it by consulting with people whose area of expertise is the particular wildlife he's profiling. His show doesn't consist only of him getting bit or stung, but let's be honest here; it's his inflicting stings on himself that gets him views. That's his appeal. If it weren't for the stings and bites he wouldn't have become the Internet sensation he is. How many times do I need to say that I like his videos and think he's a really cool person? I. Do. Not. Dislike. Coyote. I do however roll my eyes when he says things like "I'm gonna get stung in the name of science and education!" Gimme a break. He's filming himself getting stung because it generates him millions of views and has won him fame and fortune. He deserves the fame and fortune, and I think it's actually a good thing that he is making a lot of kids (and adults) associate "science" and "education" with cool adventurous stuff. That's all good. I'm just saying however, that he isn't a scientist, there is nothing scientific about what he's doing, and though his videos may have some elemental educational value, this isn't a biology class. It's entertainment. And on that level it's awesome. But he's not 'risking his life' and he isn't a qualified authority on wildlife or insects as many naively seem to think.
He's putting his life in harm's way.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52922423]That sounds arbitrary, unless you're going by some legal definition of what an "educator" is. Coyote's entire channel is dedicated to educating people. The stings are what get the most views, but the rest is all about animals, their behaviors, conservation efforts etc. I think the kid-friendly tone gets annoying too, from time to time, but he's not just some PG Johnny Knoxville, he's clearly got more hands-on experience and knowledge than you can expect from your average presenter. And, if you watch his videos, you'll know he spends more time sharing it than he does with these stunts[/QUOTE] You make fair points. My main objection to his use of the term "education" is when he suggests there is some "educational" (and "scientific"'!) value in his getting stung. He's getting stung for views; it's not some noble self sacrifice in the pursuit of science and education. If I want to learn about Warrior Wasps, I'll read about them. I don't watch Coyote's videos with an expectation of deepening my understanding of wildlife or bugs. I watch them to see him get stung; that is the draw. His videos do have some educational value, however elemental. If they inspire people - especially kids - to learn more about wildlife and conservation that's great. And I'm sure he has inspired a lot of people to take a keen interest in nature and the need to preserve it. I guess I need to make it clearer that despite my already mentioned criticisms I like the guy and his content.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52919619]I wanna see him work his way up with bites from like a cat to a leopard to a lion.[/QUOTE] And then he can train himself to survive gunshots by starting with microscopic bullets and working his way up to bigger bullets until he can withstand a direct hit from a cannonball
[QUOTE=OvB;52922441]He's putting his life in harm's way.[/QUOTE] No, he isnt. In fact of all of the things he's been stung by, the only ones known to have ever killed anybody are actually yellow jackets and honeybees. The only way you are risking death by a single sting is if you are allergic, in which case a single bee sting can kill you - if you can't seek medical attention right away. Only a very small percentage of the population is allergic to these stings, and Coyote isn't one of them. But even if he were, he always has the required antidote on hand (which he points out in all of his videos). The only other way you can be killed by wasps, hornets, or bees is if you get swarmed and stung hundreds of times. But Coyote and his crew wear the necessary protective clothing to prevent this. He is absolutely not risking his life when he gets himself stung.
[QUOTE=fptag;52922525]No, he isnt. In fact of all of the things he's been stung by, the only ones known to have ever killed anybody are actually yellow jackets and honeybees. The only way you are risking death by a single sting is if you are allergic, in which case a single bee sting can kill you - if you can't seek medical attention right away. Only a very small percentage of the population is allergic to these stings, and Coyote isn't one of them. But even if he were, he always has the required antidote on hand (which he points out in all of his videos). The only other way you can be killed by wasps, hornets, or bees is if you get swarmed and stung hundreds of times. But Coyote and his crew wear the necessary protective clothing to prevent this. He is absolutely not risking his life when he gets himself stung.[/QUOTE] How long are you going to keep touting the "He isn't in any danger" argument? You've completely ignored my comment as to why that is just not true. [quote] Bullshit. Every person reacts very differently to the venom of different insect stings. That's why you can be stung by a Bee and be fine, but someone else is stung by one and they swell to the point they can't breathe. Allergies are a very real thing and are ABSOLUTELY something that can put anyone in mortal danger. There is a very good reason Coyote and the crew carry around epipens, because Coyote's body can go into anaphylactic shock from the venom. Severe pain can also cause the heart to go into cardiac arrest. If there was absolutely no danger, then they wouldn't take so many precautions and explicitly tell you not to go out and get stung, but rather "admire the insects from a safe distance". [/quote] Just because you're not allergic doesn't mean your body won't react well to the venom/pain. Of course he's going to take as many precautions as possible, because ANYTHING can go wrong. Also just because we disagree with your opinion that Coyote should be considered an educator (which is such a subjective thing considering: To what extent can you consider someone an educator? Must it be someone with a degree? Is a parent considered an educator to their children despite not having a degree? If yes, would simply me teaching maths to my college buddies make me an educator? Etc...) or whatnot, doesn't mean we think you dislike Coyote. :v:
coyote educates, ergo he's an educator. just because he does it on youtube doesn't mean the rules change
[QUOTE=buu342;52922931]How long are you going to keep touting the "He isn't in any danger" argument? You've completely ignored my comment as to why that is just not true. Just because you're not allergic doesn't mean your body won't react well to the venom/pain. Of course he's going to take as many precautions as possible, because ANYTHING can go wrong. Also just because we disagree with your opinion that Coyote should be considered an educator (which is such a subjective thing considering: To what extent can you consider someone an educator? Must it be someone with a degree? Is a parent considered an educator to their children despite not having a degree? If yes, would simply me teaching maths to my college buddies make me an educator? Etc...) or whatnot, doesn't mean we think you dislike Coyote. :v:[/QUOTE] I'm not ignoring your comment I've been addressing it specifically. You wrote: "Bullshit. Every person reacts very differently to the venom of different insect stings. That's why you can be stung by a Bee and be fine, but someone else is stung by one and they swell to the point they can't breathe. Allergies are a very real thing and are ABSOLUTELY something that can put anyone in mortal danger. There is a very good reason Coyote and the crew carry around epipens, because Coyote's body can go into anaphylactic shock from the venom. Severe pain can also cause the heart to go into cardiac arrest. If there was absolutely no danger, then they wouldn't take so many precautions and explicitly tell you not to go out and get stung, but rather "admire the insects from a safe distance"." I've specifically addresed the matter of the dangers stings pose to those allergic to them (which would be - no pun intended - anaphylactic shock). But as I've pointed out, Coyote is not allergic, but even if he was, he has the required antidote available. As to the suggestion that he's risking his life because the pain of the sting can be reasonably expected to lead to his death via cardiac arrest, with all due respect, you are in the deep end of the bullshit pond here. That is not a realistic concern, and Coyote has never suggested as much. In any event, I have no interest in arguing here, and have no hostility towards you or anyone else here. I really don't think we are that much in disagreement here with the possible exception that you may be attributing more significance to the possibility of Coyote dying from cardiac arrest from the sheer pain of a sting than is reasonably sustainable. It's all good. If you think that is a realistic possibility, I disagree. I think we can just agree to disagree here. I think I chose my words poorly in coming into this conversation inasmuch as I have obviously come across as more polemical and combative than I intended to. I apologize for that. I think we're all fans of Coyote here and would like to proceed on that level. I may have some disagreements but will try to express them more congenially going forth.
[QUOTE=fptag;52922435]No; you've misunderstood me. I'm not saying that he's giving bad info. I stress again - I like his videos. I'm just pointing out that he isn't a scientist and is not a biologist or entomologist. He gives good information in his videos, but he gets it by consulting with people whose area of expertise is the particular wildlife he's profiling. His show doesn't consist only of him getting bit or stung, but let's be honest here; it's his inflicting stings on himself that gets him views. That's his appeal. If it weren't for the stings and bites he wouldn't have become the Internet sensation he is. How many times do I need to say that I like his videos and think he's a really cool person? I. Do. Not. Dislike. Coyote. I do however roll my eyes when he says things like "I'm gonna get stung in the name of science and education!" Gimme a break. He's filming himself getting stung because it generates him millions of views and has won him fame and fortune. He deserves the fame and fortune, and I think it's actually a good thing that he is making a lot of kids (and adults) associate "science" and "education" with cool adventurous stuff. That's all good. I'm just saying however, that he isn't a scientist, there is nothing scientific about what he's doing, and though his videos may have some elemental educational value, this isn't a biology class. It's entertainment. And on that level it's awesome. But he's not 'risking his life' and he isn't a qualified authority on wildlife or insects as many naively seem to think.[/QUOTE] Entertainment and education aren't mutually exclusive. He can do both at once.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;52923014]Entertainment and education aren't mutually exclusive. He can do both at once.[/QUOTE] Of course not; I never said that they were mutually exclusive. I think there may be some hair splitting over the term "educational" here. I've acknowledged that his videos have some educational value. Again, my main objection to his use of the term "education" is entirely within the context of getting stung. I don't see any legitimate "educational" value in that. But we can agree to disagree. I love the sting videos mind you. I just kinda roll my eyes at the suggestion that it's some sort of high minded noble self sacrifice in the pursuit of "education" and "science" as opposed to views.
Can we get over being obtuse spergs and go back to watching this good man beung stung
[QUOTE=fptag;52923008]I'm not ignoring your comment I've been addressing it specifically. You wrote: "Bullshit. Every person reacts very differently to the venom of different insect stings. That's why you can be stung by a Bee and be fine, but someone else is stung by one and they swell to the point they can't breathe. Allergies are a very real thing and are ABSOLUTELY something that can put anyone in mortal danger. There is a very good reason Coyote and the crew carry around epipens, because Coyote's body can go into anaphylactic shock from the venom. Severe pain can also cause the heart to go into cardiac arrest. If there was absolutely no danger, then they wouldn't take so many precautions and explicitly tell you not to go out and get stung, but rather "admire the insects from a safe distance"." I've specifically addresed the matter of the dangers stings pose to those allergic to them (which would be - no pun intended - anaphylactic shock). But as I've pointed out, Coyote is not allergic, but even if he was, he has the required antidote available. As to the suggestion that he's risking his life because the pain of the sting can be reasonably expected to lead to his death via cardiac arrest, with all due respect, you are in the deep end of the bullshit pond here. That is not a realistic concern, and Coyote has never suggested as much. In any event, I have no interest in arguing here, and have no hostility towards you or anyone else here. I really don't think we are that much in disagreement here with the possible exception that you may be attributing more significance to the possibility of Coyote dying from cardiac arrest from the sheer pain of a sting than is reasonably sustainable. It's all good. If you think that is a realistic possibility, I disagree. I think we can just agree to disagree here. I think I chose my words poorly in coming into this conversation inasmuch as I have obviously come across as more polemical and combative than I intended to. I apologize for that. I think we're all fans of Coyote here and would like to proceed on that level. I may have some disagreements but will try to express them more congenially going forth.[/QUOTE] Coyote doesn't carry around antidotes for the specific venom which the insects he gets stung by produce, he carries around pain relievers and an adrenaline pen. These are used to combat the pain, to stop his body from asphyxiating from a bad reaction to the venom. Also, shock is a condition where blood fails to flow properly to your organs, and as a result can permanently damage them. Shock can be caused by intense pain, as was shown by (many sources) of wounded soldiers, and is actually a very common cause of death. It was found that using morphine and/or other pain killers was a very good way to deal with shock. When I say pain kills, I'm not saying pain DIRECTLY kills you, because humans can learn to tolerate certain amounts of pain. But severe pain can lead to many complications, one of them being circulatory shock. If you don't believe me, feel free to research it and disprove me. Ultimately, if Coyote was never in any danger to begin with, why bother to take precautions? If you answer "Just in case", that ultimately implies that something CAN happen, and that he can potentially be in danger.
[QUOTE=OvB;52922441]He's putting his life in harm's way.[/QUOTE]one of these days there will be a Sensationalist Headlines topic titled simply "Coyote Peterson fucking dies"
[QUOTE=fptag;52923039]Of course not; I never said that they were mutually exclusive. I think there may be some hair splitting over the term "educational" here. I've acknowledged that his videos have some educational value. Again, my main objection to his use of the term "education" is entirely within the context of getting stung. I don't see any legitimate "educational" value in that. But we can agree to disagree. I love the sting videos mind you. I just kinda roll my eyes at the suggestion that it's some sort of high minded noble self sacrifice in the pursuit of "education" and "science" as opposed to views.[/QUOTE] What part of showing how painful different stings are isn't educational?
[QUOTE=buu342;52923687]Coyote doesn't carry around antidotes for the specific venom which the insects he gets stung by produce, he carries around pain relievers and an adrenaline pen. These are used to combat the pain, to stop his body from asphyxiating from a bad reaction to the venom. Also, shock is a condition where blood fails to flow properly to your organs, and as a result can permanently damage them. Shock can be caused by intense pain, as was shown by (many sources) of wounded soldiers, and is actually a very common cause of death. It was found that using morphine and/or other pain killers was a very good way to deal with shock. When I say pain kills, I'm not saying pain DIRECTLY kills you, because humans can learn to tolerate certain amounts of pain. But severe pain can lead to many complications, one of them being circulatory shock. If you don't believe me, feel free to research it and disprove me. Ultimately, if Coyote was never in any danger to begin with, why bother to take precautions? If you answer "Just in case", that ultimately implies that something CAN happen, and that he can potentially be in danger.[/QUOTE] "Coyote doesn't carry around antidotes for the specific venom which the insects he gets stung by produce, he carries around pain relievers and an adrenaline pen. These are used to combat the pain, to stop his body from asphyxiating from a bad reaction to the venom." Wasps aren't snakes. Of course there is no such thing as, say, "Warrior Wasp Anti-venom". When I used the term "antidote" I was referring to the adrenaline pen, which is the only thing required whether you're stung by a honeybee or a Warrior Wasp. "Also, shock is a condition where blood fails to flow properly to your organs, and as a result can permanently damage them. Shock can be caused by intense pain, as was shown by (many sources) of wounded soldiers, and is actually a very common cause of death." Getting a single sting by anything on the Schmidt scale is not remotely comparable to the pain experienced by wounded soldiers. You're making a radical apples and oranges comparison here. "It was found that using morphine and/or other pain killers was a very good way to deal with shock. When I say pain kills, I'm not saying pain DIRECTLY kills you, because humans can learn to tolerate certain amounts of pain. But severe pain can lead to many complications, one of them being circulatory shock. If you don't believe me, feel free to research it and disprove me." Yeah, I know all about the sort of shock you are referring to. The only shock one is vulnerable to when stung by hymenopeterans (i.e. wasps, bees, ants, and hornets) is anaphylactic shock, which is only a risk if you have an allergic reaction (Coyote is not allergic, but the adrenaline pen is a reasonable precaution). In the case of one sting, regardless of what stings you, all you need is an adrenaline pen. An adrenaline pen wouldn't do shit for a severely wounded soldier. "Ultimately, if Coyote was never in any danger to begin with, why bother to take precautions?" The point isn't that he is in no danger; the point is that he is in no danger of dying. The worst case (and very unlikely scenario) is that he goes into anaphylactic shock, in which case the necessary aid is at hand. "If you answer "Just in case", that ultimately implies that something CAN happen, and that he can potentially be in danger." I just want to say, for one, you write eloquently and it is not my intention to be rude or dismissive here. I appreciate your taking the time to respond and the thought you have put into your response. All I'm saying is, Coyote is not risking his life. At. All. If you think he is, I can only respectfully say you are mistaken. To his credit, Coyote pointed out that nobody has ever died from a Warrior Wasp sting (or a Tarantula Hawk sting, or a Bullet Ant sting). The only way you can be killed by one of these species is if you have an allergic reaction and can't get immediate medical attention, or if you get swarmed and stung hundreds of times (Coyote is in no risk of either scenario). To put this into perspective, adolescent kids in a South American tribe routinely go through a rite of passage ritual which involves getting stung by dozens of Bullet Ants for multiple ten minute periods. The Bullet Ant is number one on the Schmidt scale. Even with that practice, nobody has ever died.
I just don't see any educational value in your posts, you're not a scientist or authority on animals in any sense.
[QUOTE=fptag;52925356] All I'm saying is, Coyote is not risking his life. At. All. If you think he is, I can only respectfully say you are mistaken. To his credit, Coyote pointed out that nobody has ever died from a Warrior Wasp sting (or a Tarantula Hawk sting, or a Bullet Ant sting). The only way you can be killed by one of these species is if you have an allergic reaction and can't get immediate medical attention, or if you get swarmed and stung hundreds of times (Coyote is in no risk of either scenario). To put this into perspective, adolescent kids in a South American tribe routinely go through a rite of passage ritual which involves getting stung by dozens of Bullet Ants for multiple ten minute periods. The Bullet Ant is number one on the Schmidt scale. Even with that practice, nobody has ever died.[/QUOTE] If there's one thing I know in life, it's that anything can possibly kill you. You can change these factors, sure, but Coyote is certainly putting himself in very dangerous scenarios just for education purposes. He approaches sometimes wild animals, catches them and even sometimes gets bitten by them. Even when he's approaching "trained" or "domesticated" bears or wolverines, you never know when an animal might suddenly decide to kill you off. In this episode, if Coyote had fucked up and attracted the swarm of the nest, there could've been the entire filming cast swarmed by one of the most painful, debilitating stinging insect in the wild. A thousand stings from warrior wasp would no doubt made you crash to the ground unable to do anything while you just keep being stung. "Nobody has ever died" doesn't mean that nobody EVER will. That's just naive. You never know in life when your life might be swooped away by something you could never have foreseen. That's just how it is.
What I really like about Coyote Peterson is that when he gets stung and is in huge pain he never uses a single swear word.
[QUOTE=fptag;52922435]He gives good information in his videos, but he gets it by consulting with people whose area of expertise is the particular wildlife he's profiling.[/QUOTE] Literally every person alive in the science and education community has gotten most of their information from someone else, be it through published papers or conversation between peers. This is such a nothing complaint.
[QUOTE=Feuver;52925753]If there's one thing I know in life, it's that anything can possibly kill you. You can change these factors, sure, but Coyote is certainly putting himself in very dangerous scenarios just for education purposes. He approaches sometimes wild animals, catches them and even sometimes gets bitten by them. Even when he's approaching "trained" or "domesticated" bears or wolverines, you never know when an animal might suddenly decide to kill you off. In this episode, if Coyote had fucked up and attracted the swarm of the nest, there could've been the entire filming cast swarmed by one of the most painful, debilitating stinging insect in the wild. A thousand stings from warrior wasp would no doubt made you crash to the ground unable to do anything while you just keep being stung. "Nobody has ever died" doesn't mean that nobody EVER will. That's just naive. You never know in life when your life might be swooped away by something you could never have foreseen. That's just how it is.[/QUOTE] Also sometimes people are extremely unlucky enough to develop an allergy despite previously showing no signs of having one. Some bee keeper’s wife around here had no problems throughout her life with helping take care of the bees. Then one day she randomly drops dead from from a sting while the husband was getting some ice or something for her. They both assumed it was just another sting like many times before and the ambulance couldn’t get there in time.
[QUOTE=ElderLolz;52926209]Teachers and professors stand in front of huge audiences and recite knowledge that other people have gathered, guess that makes every educator an entertainer too![/QUOTE] In the end it really depends on what your definition of an "entertainer" is. If you start calling anything someone does as entertaining, thus making them an entertainer, the term "entertainer" ceases to be a useful term to describe anything.
[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52926172]Literally every person alive in the science and education community has gotten most of their information from someone else, be it through published papers or conversation between peers. This is such a nothing complaint.[/QUOTE] Surely you can understand the difference between a filmmaker who consults with recognized authorities in a given subject matter he wants to film and a recognized authority on that subject matter. Consulting with an expert for a film project does not make the filmmaker an expert on the subject of his film. If he was an authority on the animals he features in his videos he wouldn't need to consult experts. The fact that a PhD in Biology has acquired most of their information from others doesn't mean that, say, a humanities major who takes a Biology 101 elective taught by that PhD can thereafter be regarded as being on the same level as the PhD in terms of their understanding of biology. A news reporter who interviews a physicist for a story on, say, the Higgs Boson does not as a consequence become an expert authority on physics, much less the Higgs Boson in particular. Moreover, Coyote doesn't claim to be an expert authority on the animals featured in his videos. Pointing out that Coyote is a filmmaker and not an entomologist isn't a 'complaint' about Coyote. He's a layman providing information about the animals and insects he's filming to his viewers; information he has acquired by consulting with established authorities. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he's doing and my pointing this out is hardly a 'complaint'. [editline]27th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52926908]Also sometimes people are extremely unlucky enough to develop an allergy despite previously showing no signs of having one. Some bee keeper’s wife around here had no problems throughout her life with helping take care of the bees. Then one day she randomly drops dead from from a sting while the husband was getting some ice or something for her. They both assumed it was just another sting like many times before and the ambulance couldn’t get there in time.[/QUOTE] As you yourself point out, this woman was "extremely unlucky"; beekeeping is not regarded by anyone as something that could reasonably be considered an activity that puts one's life in serious danger. You are much more likely to die every time you go for a ride in a car than you are to die from beekeeping. Over a million people die every year from car accidents, yet nobody regards the act of going for a drive as placing their life in serious jeopardy. [editline]27th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ElderLolz;52926209]Teachers and professors stand in front of huge audiences and recite knowledge that other people have gathered, guess that makes every educator an entertainer too![/QUOTE] Exactly. Professors are 'entertainers' in roughly the same extremely broad sense that Coyote is an 'educator'. [editline]27th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Feuver;52925753]"Nobody has ever died" doesn't mean that nobody EVER will. That's just naive. You never know in life when your life might be swooped away by something you could never have foreseen. That's just how it is.[/QUOTE] Of course the fact that nobody has ever died from something doesn't mean that nobody ever will die from it, but that's irrelevant to the point, which is that there is no grounds for thinking that Coyote is putting his life in jeopardy and all available evidence indicates otherwise. You mentioned the danger of swarming. I did also. If someone were swarmed by Warrior Wasps - without protective gear -their life would certainly be in jeopardy. But Coyote was wearing a suit which would have protected him in the event of a swarm, and his crew was underneath a protective net as well. Did it take a lot of balls to do what he did? Certainly. Was there a realistic chance of him or his crew dying? Absolutely not. I'm sorry if my posts are a buzzkill for those who imagine Coyote stands a realistic chance of getting killed when he does these things but the fact is he is not realistically placing his life in jeopardy.
seriously can't believe you're still ranting about this it's amazing how you can be completely wrong and still type paragraph after paragraph for page after page
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