Remembering 9/11 - V2 - General

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;32240040][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25352599/what911.png[/img] Facebook friend, I am so disappointed in you right now. Just.......*sigh*[/QUOTE] Ahemm: [url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/4540501/Australia-declines-all-but-Kiwi-aid[/url] "New Zealand is the only country Australia has accepted help from for the Queensland floods so far. The federal government says it hasn't accepted search and rescue assistance from other countries for the floods because it's a world leader in disaster management. Offers of operational assistance have come in from around the globe including Britain, the [b]United States[/b], Spain, Japan and Singapore but so far the Gillard government has accepted help only from New Zealand. " We always offer help to foreign countries in disasters. How many offer help to us when we get hit by something? [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=::truth;32241792]not all muslims are terrorists but islam is not a peaceful religion[/QUOTE] Let's not start.

[QUOTE=CondolentSarge;32241113][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfWa9gI-Bks[/media][/QUOTE] This one is my favorite. It's great.

[QUOTE=::truth;32241792]not all muslims are terrorists but islam is not a peaceful religion[/QUOTE] Islam is a religion built off of peace, there is nothing wrong with Muslims, just the idea of Jihad (kill for religion)

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[QUOTE=slippp22;32242198]Islam is a religion built off of peace, there is nothing wrong with Muslims, just the idea of Jihad (kill for religion)[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/[/url]

Even though I live in Australia, I guess we still have a close attachment to the event because of our close relation with the US and our similar cultures. I still remember waking up in the morning and every single channel on the television had the same footage, of the towers falling. Such a blatant attack on innocent life make me cringe, my respects to the families. especially the firefighters, the courage it must have taken to sacrifice their lifes in an attempt to save people, its fucking inspiring, great, now im getting teary and im at uni.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;32240040][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25352599/what911.png[/img] Facebook friend, I am so disappointed in you right now. Just.......*sigh*[/QUOTE] My birthday was yesterday but I ain't bitching. grow a pair luke [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=slippp22;32242198]Islam is a religion built off of peace, there is nothing wrong with Muslims, just the idea of Jihad (kill for religion)[/QUOTE] It's not necessarily kill, it's defend

[QUOTE=slippp22;32242198]Islam is a religion built off of peace, there is nothing wrong with Muslims, just the idea of Jihad (kill for religion)[/QUOTE] The idea of Jihad comes out wrong for most people (holy war), but jihad represents a struggle to do the right thing, to share the word of God

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32242309]It's not necessarily kill, it's defend[/QUOTE] explain

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32241710]It's hard to feel fucking patriotic after what we've done in response to that day.[/QUOTE] How is that dumb? Just curious.

Ten Obvious Reasons Why Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace #1 17,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so). #2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. #3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that. Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. #4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other. Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died. Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death. Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph. The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war... And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam! #5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia. #6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah. None of these other religions are at war with each other. #7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad. #8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim. #9 The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times. #10 "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!" (The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)

[QUOTE=::truth;32242389]explain[/QUOTE] I misspoke actually, Jihad means struggle. There are a couple types of jihad too, not just warfare. Warfare(jihad of the sword) is one of the lesser jihads. There is jihad of the heart, tongue and hand which are greater. [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] also take what ::truth said above this post with a couple grains of salt. Pretty sure most are misleading facts if not outright lies.

this img is 9/11:

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;32240333]Brb, educating myself about what happened on 7/7. [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] Oh god, how did I never hear about this? I remember when 9/11 happened, Tvs were showing news about it all day. And there was no such coverage about the 7/7 bombings. I thought we were a British colony.[/QUOTE] Yes there really, really was. It didn't get the weeks and weeks of solid coverage but it dominated headlines for a week or two.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32243026]I misspoke actually, Jihad means struggle. There are a couple types of jihad too, not just warfare. Warfare(jihad of the sword) is one of the lesser jihads. There is jihad of the heart, tongue and hand which are greater. [/QUOTE] The Truth: In Arabic, "jihad" means struggle. In Islam, it means holy war. The Quran specifically exempts the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95), which would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad and his Quran would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of character development. With this in mind, Muslim apologists generally admit that there are two meanings to the word, but insist that “inner struggle” is the “greater Jihad,” whereas “holy war” is the “lesser.” In fact, this misconception is based only on an a single hadith that Islamic scholars generally agreed was fabricated. By contrast, the most reliable of all Hadith collections is that of Bukhari. Jihad is mentioned over 200 times in reference to the words of Muhammad and each one carries a clear connotation to holy war, with only a handful of possible exceptions (dealing with a woman's supporting role during a time of holy war). [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;32243026]also take what ::truth said above this post with a couple grains of salt. Pretty sure most are misleading facts if not outright lies.[/QUOTE] no its actually the truth

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRIMgNvYx4g[/media]

[QUOTE=Aspen;32190028]repost from other thread to keep things going:[/QUOTE] same thng happened to me, my dad pulled me out of school and we drove down to as close as we could get. I lived on Roosevelt Island at the time and we saw the smoke covering everything. I didn't understand what really happened back then I was only 5-6.

stop posting dumb islamophobic shit, nobody wants to hear it

[QUOTE=Desolategrunt;32243603]same thng happened to me, my dad pulled me out of school and we drove down to as close as we could get. I lived on Roosevelt Island at the time and we saw the smoke covering everything. I didn't understand what really happened back then I was only 5-6.[/QUOTE] yeah dude. i lived in fresh meadows, astoria (which is in queens). you could smell the smoke and ashes from our house.

I am sure some of you have read this before but this poem hits very close to home with me and whether or not you read it I just find myself coming back to it constantly. I know it may not have the same effect on everyone, but I still view it as a great poem and the least I can do is make my contribution to the thread a worthwhile one. This is not the original version by [B]Cheryl Costello-Forshey[/B], and no, it is not my work. "Daddy's Day" Her hair was up in a pony tail, her favorite dress tied with a bow. Today was 'Daddy's Day' at school, and she couldn't wait to go. But her mommy tried to tell her, that she probably should stay home. Why the kids might not understand, if she went to school alone. But she was not afraid; she knew just what to say. What to tell her classmates of why he wasn't there today. But still her mother worried, for her to face this day alone. And that was why once again, she tried to keep her daughter home. But the little girl went to school, eager to tell them all. About a dad she never sees, a dad who never calls. There were daddies along the wall in back, for everyone too meet. Children were squirming impatiently, anxious in their seats. One by one the teacher called the students introduce their daddy. As seconds slowly passed, at last the teacher called her name, and every child turned to stare. Each of their eyes scanned the room; searching for a man who wasn't there. "Where's her daddy at?" she heard a boy call out. "She probably doesn't have one," another student dared to shout. And from somewhere near the back, she heard a daddy say, "Looks like another deadbeat dad, too busy too waste his day." The words did not offend her, as she smiled up at her Mom. And looked back at her teacher, who told her to go on. And with hands behind her back, slowly she began too speak. And out from the mouth of a child, came words incredibly unique. "My daddy couldn't be here, because he lives so far away. But I know he wishes he could be, since this is such a special day. And though you cannot meet him, I wanted you to know. All about my daddy, and how much he loves me so. He loved to tell me stories, he taught me to ride my bike. He surprised me with pink roses, he taught me how to fly a kite. We used to share fudge sundaes, and ice cream in a cone. And though you cannot see him, I'm not standing here alone. "Cause my daddy's always with me, even though we are apart. I know because he told me, he'd forever be in my heart." With that her little hand reached up, and lay across her chest. Feeling her own heart beat, beneath her favorite dress. And from somewhere in the crowd of dads, her mother stood in tears. Proudly watching her daughter, who was wise beyond her years. For she stood up for the love of a man not in her life. Doing what was best for her, doing what was right. And when she dropped her hand back down, staring straight into the crowd, she finished with a voice so soft, but its message clear and loud. "I love my daddy very much, he's my shining star. And if he could he'd be here, but Heaven's just too far! You see he was a fireman and died just this past year. When airplanes hit the towers, and taught Americans to fear. "But sometimes when I close my eyes, its like he never went away." And then she closed her eyes, and saw him there that day. And to her mother's amazement, she witnessed with surprise. A room full of daddy's and children, all starting to close their eyes. Who knows what they saw before them, who knows what they felt inside. Perhaps for merely a second, they saw him at her side. "I know your with me daddy," to the silence she called out. And what happened next made believers, of those once filled with doubt. Not one in that room could explain it, for each of their eyes had been closed. But there on the desk beside her, was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose. And a child was blessed, if only for a moment, by the love of her shining star. And given the gift of believing, that Heaven is never too far.

i remember 9/11 in a really odd way. we were in the process of moving in to a small house that my mother was had rented and we were had a break moving stuff so we decided to plug in the tv and see if the antenna worked, since it had been crooked and the landlord hadn't fixed it yet. it did and the first thing that popped up was the smoking towers on a really static image with static noices instead of voices. we decided it was annoying to watch and didn't bother with it so we went back to moving the stuff in to places. the next day the kids at school were talking about the airplanes that crashed in to the world trade center and i had no idea what they were talking about, then a few days later i saw a clip of the towers burning and realized it was the towers i saw on the static tv. so now whenever i hear about 9/11 i get a mental image of this crappy static tv image of two smoking sky scrapers...

my dad was supposed to be on flight 93, but he overslept scary thought

[QUOTE=Panthereye;32243936]my dad was supposed to be on flight 93, but he overslept scary thought[/QUOTE]never heard that before

[img]http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrc3ycgJE91qb658io3_500.png[/img] [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrc3ycgJE91qb658io2_500.png[/img] A chair for each of the ones killed. Supposed to represent the stark emptiness of the loss of life.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy Website] a more accurate description of 9/11 truthers is probably "expert", or "scholar", or "researcher." [/QUOTE] What a bunch of delusional assholes.

[QUOTE=Medevilae;32191476]I think it's a bit more complicated than that. It will be remembered for sure. However I do believe the feelings evoked on that day won't be felt in the same way by people looking back on 9/11 later on. It will hold a meaning though, and be written in history books. Speaking of history, today in school we were asked to write down what we remember about 9/11 on a piece of paper. We were allowed to write as much as we wanted. (as little as we wanted for most people) It's gotten to the point where we are probably the last generation the history teacher can ask. My class were all kindergarten age on 9/11, myself included.[/QUOTE] Hrm, if he's been asking classes long enough I'd like to see comparisons as the generations moved on.

[QUOTE=::truth;32242783]Ten Obvious Reasons Why Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace #1 17,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so). #2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. #3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that. Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. #4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other. Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died. Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death. Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph. The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war... And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam! #5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia. #6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah. None of these other religions are at war with each other. #7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad. #8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim. #9 The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times. #10 "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!" (The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)[/QUOTE] Atleast provide some sources dude. Atleast then people won't think you're a prejudice asshole.

I'm just gonna put this here: [url]http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842[/url] [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TacticalBacon;32240040][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25352599/what911.png[/img] Facebook friend, I am so disappointed in you right now. Just.......*sigh*[/QUOTE] What uh....what is his last name?

Remember when people believed loose change?

[QUOTE=CondolentSarge;32241113]I recommend these videos, they give some insight to the families that had to continue on that day, and it is rather touching.[/QUOTE] Wow, those really hit me, especially the last one.