[QUOTE=PajamaSam;32239474][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp2SC_aduTA[/media][/QUOTE]
This is giving me that cloverfield vibe right now at 21:52.
But god damn those fire alarms are so eerie.
[video=youtube;Co3osqkuW8A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co3osqkuW8A&feature=channel_video_title[/video]
[QUOTE=::truth;32242783]Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace[/QUOTE]
Even though he's banned, I should point out: He is an idiot and a bigot. 95% of it is bullshit he probably got from some hick website.
The other 5% is just laughable. WHELP, CHRISTIANITY KILLED MILLIONS THROUGH ITS CRUSADES, GUESS THAT MEANS ALL CHRISTIANS ARE DANGEROUS GENOCIDAL MURDERERS!
Shut up.
[editline]11th September 2011[/editline]
And if you are dumb enough to believe him, read this. Although it was written by some average joe, its a lot more credible than what the above idiot said.
[url]http://www.cracked.com/article_18911_5-ridiculous-things-you-probably-believe-about-islam.html[/url]
I was getting ready for school too. We all thought school would be cancelled, but they didn't. R.I.P. to all the civilians and military killed.
A number of the regular columnists from Wired contributed their thoughts today, and I think they reflect my feelings more accurately than anything else I've seen.
[url]http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/09/end-911-era/[/url]
[quote]Ten years ago today, 2,996 people were murdered, unleashing a pair of destructive, mutually reinforcing trends. To prove their relevance, terrorists keep trying to attack the United States at home. And the media and politicians react to it with hysteria, running in fear of getting blamed for a successful attack and perpetuating the gigantic, expensive, counterproductive National Security State. As awful as the snuffing of so many souls on 9/11 was, the second trend has often proved more dangerous than the first[/quote]
[url]http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/911-surveillance/[/url]
[quote]I didn’t expect the terrorists would be so successful ultimately into getting us to abandon our core principles, and I think the founders would, in many ways, be ashamed of our response to the attack.”[/quote]
9/11 was a horrifying day that is burned into the consciousness of every single American that was alive to witness it. But for every person that died in the towers, dozens of innocent people on the other side of the planet have paid for that with their lives. Iraq and Afghanistan are soaked in the blood of civilians because of our hysterical warmongering immediately following 9/11. The Bill of Rights has been trampled under the boots of Homeland Security. The TSA sexually assaults people for the apparent crime of buying an airline ticket. Trillions of dollars were spent while the infrastructure of our country falls apart and our economy collapses under the weight of our own greed and recklessness.
9/11 was horrible, yes. But to me it just marked the beginning of a decade-long onslaught of equally horrible actions and policies perpetrated by my own government.
[thumb]http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/09/IraqDeathEstimates121.jpg[/thumb]
Even the optimistic numbers are unbelievable.
[thumb]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/CRIME/12/05/iraq.blackwater.indictment/art.blackwater.shooting.file.gi.jpg[/thumb]
Anybody else remember when Blackwater mercenaries massacred all those people for no reason whatsoever?
[thumb]http://www.chris-floyd.com/war/images/iraq07_1apr2003_jpg.jpg[/thumb]
Somebody remind me, why did this little girl deserve to get blown up? Did she help plan 9/11 just like they told us Saddam did?
[thumb]http://www.chris-floyd.com/war/images/jackson_robert_jpg.jpg[/thumb]
Have fed enough of our 19-year-olds to the fucking IEDs yet?
[thumb]http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/mission-accomplished.jpg?w=455[/thumb]
This is what comes to mind when I think about 9/11. The blood and horror and pain of that day is [b]nothing[/b] compared to what we've inflicted on the innocents of the Middle East. During parts of the Iraq war, civilian death tolls equated to one 9/11 every couple of weeks. In Fallujah we forced most of the 300,000 civilians out of their homes as refugees, then surrounded the city and practically leveled it with thermobaric bombs and white phosphorus, knowing that 30-50,000 people were still trapped inside the city. What counts did come out of the city estimated upwards of 6,000 innocent people killed by our indiscriminate bombings and shootings. 2 9/11s, from that one city alone.
How many more people have to die until we're satisfied? What purpose did any of this serve? Why, after 10 years of constant warfare, are we still not making serious progress at getting our people the fuck out of the Middle East? Bin Laden is dead, Al Qaeda is in ruins, and a hundred Muslims lie dead for [b]every single American[/b] killed on 9/11. [i]Is it enough?[/i]
9/11 will take decades to finally get over and become a part of history like Pearl Harbor. But the suffering we've inflicted on Iraq and Afghanistan has bought us [i]generations[/i] of their hatred. And for good reason.
Nearly a 100 Sunday comic strips paid tribute via newspaper publications. You can view some of them [url=http://cartoonistsremember911.com/]online[/url]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5khEm.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MhKcp.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/d1N2e.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;32248476]A number of the regular columnists from Wired contributed their thoughts today, and I think they reflect my feelings more accurately than anything else I've seen.
[URL]http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/09/end-911-era/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/911-surveillance/[/URL]
9/11 was a horrifying day that is burned into the consciousness of every single American that was alive to witness it. But for every person that died in the towers, dozens of innocent people on the other side of the planet have paid for that with their lives. Iraq and Afghanistan are soaked in the blood of civilians because of our hysterical warmongering immediately following 9/11. The Bill of Rights has been trampled under the boots of Homeland Security. The TSA sexually assaults people for the apparent crime of buying an airline ticket. Trillions of dollars were spent while the infrastructure of our country falls apart and our economy collapses under the weight of our own greed and recklessness.
9/11 was horrible, yes. But to me it just marked the beginning of a decade-long onslaught of equally horrible actions and policies perpetrated by my own government.
Even the optimistic numbers are unbelievable.
Anybody else remember when Blackwater mercenaries massacred all those people for no reason whatsoever?
Somebody remind me, why did this little girl deserve to get blown up? Did she help plan 9/11 just like they told us Saddam did?
Have fed enough of our 19-year-olds to the fucking IEDs yet?
This is what comes to mind when I think about 9/11. The blood and horror and pain of that day is [B]nothing[/B] compared to what we've inflicted on the innocents of the Middle East. During parts of the Iraq war, civilian death tolls equated to one 9/11 every couple of weeks. In Fallujah we forced most of the 300,000 civilians out of their homes as refugees, then surrounded the city and practically leveled it with thermobaric bombs and white phosphorus, knowing that 30-50,000 people were still trapped inside the city. What counts did come out of the city estimated upwards of 6,000 innocent people killed by our indiscriminate bombings and shootings. 2 9/11s, from that one city alone.
How many more people have to die until we're satisfied? What purpose did any of this serve? Why, after 10 years of constant warfare, are we still not making serious progress at getting our people the fuck out of the Middle East? Bin Laden is dead, Al Qaeda is in ruins, and a hundred Muslims lie dead for [B]every single American[/B] killed on 9/11. [I]Is it enough?[/I]
9/11 will take decades to finally get over and become a part of history like Pearl Harbor. But the suffering we've inflicted on Iraq and Afghanistan has bought us [I]generations[/I] of their hatred. And for good reason.[/QUOTE]
This would make a good Iraq/Afghanistan memorial thread if there hasn't been one made already.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32246379]The other 5% is just laughable. WHELP, CHRISTIANITY KILLED MILLIONS THROUGH ITS CRUSADES, GUESS THAT MEANS ALL CHRISTIANS ARE DANGEROUS GENOCIDAL MURDERERS![/QUOTE]
oh wow. ill get back to the crusade part but you did not read him say
[QUOTE=::truth;32241792]not all muslims are terrorists but islam is not a peaceful religion[/QUOTE]
now at the crusade part
[QUOTE]
Every part of this myth is a lie. By the rules that Muslims claim for themselves, the Crusades were perfectly justified, and the excesses (though beneath Christian standards) pale in comparison with the historical treatment of conquered populations at the hands of Muslims.
The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years after Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years after Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 after Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years after Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years after Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years after France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years after the capital of the Christian world, Rome itself, was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.
By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.
Europe had been harassed by Muslims since the first few years following Muhammad’s death. As early as 652, Muhammad’s followers launched raids on the island of Sicily, waging a full-scale occupation 200 years later that lasted almost a century and was punctuated by massacres, such as that at the town of Castrogiovanni, in which 8,000 Christians were put to death. In 1084, ten years before the first crusade, Muslims staged another devastating Sicilian raid, burning churches in Reggio, enslaving monks and raping an abbey of nuns before carrying them into captivity.
In 1095, Byzantine Emperor, Alexius I Comneus began begging the pope in Rome for help in turning back the Muslim armies which were overrunning what is now Turkey, grabbing property as they went and turning churches into mosques. Several hundred thousand Christians had been killed in Anatolia alone in the decades following 1050 by Seljuk invaders interested in 'converting' the survivors to Islam.
Not only were Christians losing their lives in their own lands to the Muslim advance but pilgrims to the Holy Land from other parts of Europe were being harassed, kidnapped, molested, forcibly converted to Islam and occasionally murdered. (Compare this to Islam’s justification for slaughter on the basis of Muslims being denied access to the Meccan pilgrimage in Muhammad’s time).
The Crusaders only invaded lands that were Christian. They did not attack Saudi Arabia (other than a half-hearted expedition by a minor figure) or sack Mecca as the Muslims had done (and continued doing) to Italy and Constantinople. Their primary goal was the recapture of Jerusalem and the security of safe passage for pilgrims. The toppling of the Muslim empire was not on the agenda.
The period of Crusader “occupation” (of its own former land) was stretched tenuously over about 170 years, which is less than the Muslim occupation of Sicily and southern Italy alone - to say nothing of Spain and other lands that had never been Islamic before falling victim to Jihad. In fact, the Arab occupation of North Africa and Middle Eastern lands outside of Arabia is almost 1400 years old.
Despite popular depiction, the Crusades were not a titanic battle between Christianity and Islam. Although originally dispatched by papal decree, the "occupiers" quickly became part of the political and economic fabric of the Middle East without much regard for religious differences. Their arrival was largely accepted by the local population as simply another change in authority. Muslim radicals even lamented the fact that many of their co-religionists preferred to live under Frankish (Christian) rule than migrate to Muslim lands.
The Islamic world was split into warring factions, many of which allied themselves with the Frankish princes against each other at one time or another. This even included Saladin, the Kurdish warrior who is credited with eventually ousting the "Crusaders." Contrary to recent propaganda, however, Saladin had little interest in holy war until a rogue Frankish prince began disrupting his trade routes. Both before and after the taking of Jerusalem, his armies spent far more time and resources battling fellow Muslims.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=homemade.;32253712]oh wow. ill get back to the crusade part but you did not read him say
now at the crusade part[/QUOTE]
And you now win the award for one of the most biased cited sources of all time :v:
explain how i'm biased?
That argument is entirely from a christian perspective, and portrays the Islamic people as absolute monsters. It portrays everything done by the Christians as perfectly justified and good [and all atrocities committed as by sub-Christian people, taking zero responsibility], and glosses over major aspects and causes of the Crusades. It refers to alternative views as "propaganda" [See terms such as "Liberal Agenda"] and mentions absolutely none of the atrocities committed by the crusaders.
That excerpt is so slanted it could have come out of an Texan high school History text book.
Well its true and just because it says muslims killed people that means its biased?
[QUOTE=homemade.;32253712]oh wow. ill get back to the crusade part but you did not read him say[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter, my point was that he was talking through his ass. He is implying that they practice a religion of violence based on (wrong) history. The same could easily be said about Christianity, since they practically straggled the scientific world for a loooooong time, killing and threatening anyone who might bring progress, for fear of it conflicting with their beliefs.
To summarize: We were all barbarians back then, almost every single culture was fucking ridiculous in their habits. If they weren't killing in the name of god they were sacrificing people to keep the sun in the sky. I'd say Islam was one of the least violent, if anything. And surely it is not like that (like Christianity isn't) today.
Can't we all just agree that all organised religion is fucked up?
[QUOTE=homemade.;32253983]Well its true and just because it says muslims killed people that means its biased?[/QUOTE]
Just because it contains facts does not mean it is the truth or an accurate account by any means. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking"]Apply some critical thinking skills please.[/URL]
I was 6, it was after school and all I remember is being pissed off that my parents were ignoring me to watch this on TV and I didn't know WTF the World Trade Center was.
[editline]12th September 2011[/editline]
Only problem is that I should have been in school because it was around 2pm here, but I distinctly remember seeing the tower burning. Maybe it wasn't live but I thought it was
[QUOTE=DTkach;32254085]Doesn't matter, my point was that he was talking through his ass. He is implying that they practice a religion of violence based on (wrong) history. The same could easily be said about Christianity, since they practically straggled the scientific world for a loooooong time, killing and threatening anyone who might bring progress, for fear of it conflicting with their beliefs.
To summarize: We were all barbarians back then, almost every single culture was fucking ridiculous in their habits. If they weren't killing in the name of god they were sacrificing people to keep the sun in the sky. I'd say Islam was one of the least violent, if anything. And surely it is not like that (like Christianity isn't) today.[/QUOTE]
2011.09.11 (Baquba, Iraq) - A journalist at a cafe bleeds to death following a Mujahid bombing.
2011.09.11 (Charkh, Afghanistan) - The bodies of six civilian contract workers are found five days after being abducted by Sunni militants.
2011.09.11 (Wardak, Afghanistan) - Children are among the casualties when Fedayeen detonate a truck bomb.
2011.09.10 (Ghazni, Afghanistan) - Religious radicals assassinate a police chief.
2011.09.10 (Vwang, Nigeria) - Fourteen Christian villagers from the same family, including a woman in labor, are hacked to death during a midnight Muslim raid.
2011.09.09 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - An al-Shabaab bomb left on the street sends five souls to Allah.
Weekly Jihad Report
Aug 27 - Sep. 02
Jihad Attacks:
24
Allah Akbars:
9
Dead Bodies:
151
Critically Injured:
284
My condolences go out to the families who suffered.
But... I am not trying to be a prick or anything but I think this tragedy wasn't that bad. There were far worse. But If I grieved you in any way, I am sorry. And Again, my condolences go to everyone who lost loved ones during this tragedy.
[QUOTE=homemade.;32254202]2011.09.11 (Baquba, Iraq) - A journalist at a cafe bleeds to death following a Mujahid bombing.
2011.09.11 (Charkh, Afghanistan) - The bodies of six civilian contract workers are found five days after being abducted by Sunni militants.
2011.09.11 (Wardak, Afghanistan) - Children are among the casualties when Fedayeen detonate a truck bomb.
2011.09.10 (Ghazni, Afghanistan) - Religious radicals assassinate a police chief.
2011.09.10 (Vwang, Nigeria) - Fourteen Christian villagers from the same family, including a woman in labor, are hacked to death during a midnight Muslim raid.
2011.09.09 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - An al-Shabaab bomb left on the street sends five souls to Allah.
Weekly Jihad Report
Aug 27 - Sep. 02
Jihad Attacks:
24
Allah Akbars:
9
Dead Bodies:
151
Critically Injured:
284[/QUOTE]
If you're going to post statistics like that, then you need to provide citations from reliable sources mate.
[url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm[/url]
found a report for one of them
[url]http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE78A01520110911[/url]
[QUOTE=homemade.;32254244][url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Non biased.
[QUOTE=homemade.;32254202]2011.09.11 (Baquba, Iraq) - A journalist at a cafe bleeds to death following a Mujahid bombing.
2011.09.11 (Charkh, Afghanistan) - The bodies of six civilian contract workers are found five days after being abducted by Sunni militants.
2011.09.11 (Wardak, Afghanistan) - Children are among the casualties when Fedayeen detonate a truck bomb.
2011.09.10 (Ghazni, Afghanistan) - Religious radicals assassinate a police chief.
2011.09.10 (Vwang, Nigeria) - Fourteen Christian villagers from the same family, including a woman in labor, are hacked to death during a midnight Muslim raid.
2011.09.09 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - An al-Shabaab bomb left on the street sends five souls to Allah.
Weekly Jihad Report
Aug 27 - Sep. 02
Jihad Attacks:
24
Allah Akbars:
9
Dead Bodies:
151
Critically Injured:
284[/QUOTE]
Please keep your prejudice out of this thread. I understand you are extremely xenophobic and that is hard for you, but please understand that this thread is for the rememberance of those who died, not to place blame by attacking an entire religion for what extremists do. Look up any number of extremest Christian groups in Africa and understand that extremism occurs in all faiths, in all places, and in all walks of life.
Move on. If you don't care about those who died, then you should be done here.
[editline]12th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=homemade.;32254244][url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Are you fucking kidding me? You are officially in the 'trolling' area of biased, given that you are completely denying your bias but can't find a source more credible than that.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;32254277]Look up any number of extremest Christian groups in Africa and understand that extremism occurs in all faiths, in all places, and in all walks of life.[/QUOTE]
yes I know that but if you wanna compare Christianity and islam.
[url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm[/url]
[editline]12th September 2011[/editline]
I am not prejudice of muslims and do not judge them by islam.
[editline]12th September 2011[/editline]
Christianity and Islam:
A Side by Side Comparison*
* It is not the purpose of this site to promote any particular religion, including Christianity.
However, we do enjoy refuting nonsense, such as the claim that Muhammad
and Jesus preached a morally equivalent message, or that all religion is the same.
"Allah:"
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
and strike off every fingertip of them."
(Qur'an 8:12)
Muhammad:
"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and
kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
(Ibn Ishaq 992)
Jesus:
"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 5:14)
Hahaha, dude, quit posting made-up shit from a hate site.
[QUOTE=homemade.;32254361]yes I know that but if you wanna compare Christianity and islam.
[url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm[/url]
[editline]12th September 2011[/editline]
I am not prejudice of muslims and do not judge them by islam.
[editline]12th September 2011[/editline]
Christianity and Islam:
A Side by Side Comparison*
* It is not the purpose of this site to promote any particular religion, including Christianity.
However, we do enjoy refuting nonsense, such as the claim that Muhammad
and Jesus preached a morally equivalent message, or that all religion is the same.
"Allah:"
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
and strike off every fingertip of them."
(Qur'an 8:12)
Muhammad:
"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and
kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
(Ibn Ishaq 992)
Jesus:
"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 5:14)[/QUOTE]
You should [I]really[/I] stop posting that website.
if you want people to take you seriously atleast.
[QUOTE]* It is not the purpose of this site to promote any particular religion, including Christianity.
However, we do enjoy refuting nonsense, such as the claim that Muhammad
and Jesus preached a morally equivalent message, or that all religion is the same.[/QUOTE]
You are aware the first thing a biased source does is insist it is unbiased, right? They wouldn't get many followers if they opened up by saying "Hey, we are slanting everything to further our perspective, please adopt our viewpoint due to our incredibly biased portrayal of the world."
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=player_detailpage[/MEDIA]
just out of interest, what do you guys think of this? Dont rate bricks until you watch the whole thing ( the latter half of the video is the most notable part )
[QUOTE=homemade.;32254361]yes I know that but if you wanna compare Christianity and islam.[/QUOTE]
First, no one seems to realize that Allah = GOD. Its "God" in their language. It isn't some heathen god named Pazuzu, they are talking about the same god as Christianity.
And I agree with what the man said a few posts up. That site consists of information forged by a bunch of Muslim hating bigots. Its not facts, its propaganda to get people to hate Islam.
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