[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32418514]Some groups of people have traits that make it very difficult. The Roma are rather nomadic, in a society that is mainly sedentary. This inevitably causes problems down the line.[/QUOTE]
exactly my point. It's obvious, so people assume that they're leaching off society.
My answer is: [B]NO[/B], it it's forced down their throats (sometimes it's more like an act of manipulation instead)
I feel like us finns are getting choked to death with all this multiculturism and "acceptism", the flow of useless immigrants who come here and just live on our commonwealth sickenss me and there's no reason to make those people look good and mark them as a "positive impact to society".
The fact that people from other cultures should instead adapt to "our" culture and bring only a little bit of their culture with them. Instead it feels around here like other cultures are forced into this "multiculturism".
I have nothing against immigrants who actually bring something good with them, if they come here to actually help the society while they help themselves, it's ok.
Either they should teach kids about multiculturism in a "not that forced" way, around here it's pretty forced and over-done currently.
There are good and bad sides of multiculturism, around here it has started to feel more like bad than good.
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I feel like us finns are getting choked to death with all this multiculturism and "acceptism", the flow of useless immigrants who come here and just live on our commonwealth sickenss me and there's no reason to make those people look good and mark them as a "positive impact to society".
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[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32410083]I've never once heard a well-substantiated claim of "the immigrants are just leeching off the system for a free ride", it's mostly baseless.[/QUOTE]
fight!
seems like you're being reactionary to the "bad" sort of multiculturalism, where you don't see the good side of the immigrant's culture, and feel like they're not benefitting society.
This is understandable in some cases, although there always are exceptions.
[QUOTE=Funguzz;32424304]My answer is: [B]NO[/B], it it's forced down their throats (sometimes it's more like an act of manipulation instead)
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finland has had a brutal series of fights for independence, that's a bit different than multiculturalism.
Yeah, I think people should be taught about different cultures. But I also think people should be taught that it's okay to criticize multiculturalism.
I'm not keen on having it shoved down my throat, I have no strong urge to celebrate someone else's culture. As long as they're not bothering other people, be my guest.
Multiculturalism is taught rather well in Australia, I might say. In History (or it might have been English) Multiculturalism is part of the criteria for early years of education in secondary school. The books we read certainly don't give any bias towards white Australia, they display the atrocities commited on the indegenous people by the early white Australians, and even towards recent history (only a few decades ago were Indigenous people allowed to vote), the books also mentioned the people who pushed for the "White Australia" policy, and it's pretty much a name and shame thing. These books are rather informative, and it's glad to see society is at the point today where we can be ashamed of our history. Of course, the course also went on with the adoption of multiculturalism, such as cultures arriving in Australia from the 1850's gold rush and emigration to Australia after the second world war, and how each of these events led to a great and positive impact on Australian society.
what the hell does "getting multiculturalism shoved down my throat" even mean
I think that's something very, very important to be taught.
If children grow up with these ideals, everyone would get along better..
You know it's something we have when we are children, and then we lose, while growing up, twisted by medias, parent's opinions and such..
The fiend of mine was taking her little daughter to school, and when she told her who her little boyfriend was, she said
[i]"he's the one with the green t-shirt"[/i]
and not
[i]"he's the black one"[/i]
True story. That really, really moved me.
Basically, it's not our children's problem, it's OUR problem. They don't mind at all.
We have to keep the child who think that everyone's equal alive in every of our children.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32447419]what the hell does "getting multiculturalism shoved down my throat" even mean[/QUOTE]
It means that some people resent that they are being taught that their race is the sole reason there is wrongdoing in this world. Like I said in my introductory post, that is what a lot of people feel when they are being taught traditional multicultural education. It focuses on white oppression of minorities. Although this is history, people feel that the way that it is presented has an "anti-white" lean to it.
Also the fact that some people just don't like to learn multiculturalism, and feel they shouldn't have to. Although this argument holds a lot less weight when compared to other subjects that you have to learn regardless of whether you want to or not, for example math and science.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32447789]It means that some people resent that they are being taught that their race is the sole reason there is wrongdoing in this world. Like I said in my introductory post, that is what a lot of people feel when they are being taught traditional multicultural education. It focuses on white oppression of minorities. Although this is history, people feel that the way that it is presented has an "anti-white" lean to it.
Also the fact that some people just don't like to learn multiculturalism, and feel they shouldn't have to. Although this argument holds a lot less weight when compared to other subjects that you have to learn regardless of whether you want to or not, for example math and science.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but maths and science are important things to know. I'd rather know how to divide than to know seventeen different religious holidays.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32447789]It means that some people resent that they are being taught that their race is the sole reason there is wrongdoing in this world. Like I said in my introductory post, that is what a lot of people feel when they are being taught traditional multicultural education. It focuses on white oppression of minorities. Although this is history, people feel that the way that it is presented has an "anti-white" lean to it. [/QUOTE]
That's probably because throughout history, at least in western society, whites have been the oppressors. You can't just whitewash (not a pun) history to make your race look better because you don't like the truth.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32449777]That's probably because throughout history, at least in western society, whites have been the oppressors. You can't just whitewash (not a pun) history to make your race look better because you don't like the truth.[/QUOTE]
But the question is, should we be focusing so hard on that? If the study of this history in depth causes resentment towards whites(not saying it does or doesn't), should it continue to be taught so heavily? You can say "History is history", but the way it is presented has a lot to do with how it is interpreted by the student.
Just look at the way the American Revolution is taught. It has a huge Pro-American lean to it which causes many young people to misunderstand what the American Revolution was about, and what caused it. Technically most of the information taught is correct, but the way it is presented creates a very skewed interpretation.
I believe we should have an equal worldview, and look not just on one side of history. Look from the side of both sides in a war, Both sides in the slave era. IE, Stuff like that. A neutral view of all of it. Let people come to their own conclusions, Because isn't that what school should be about? Shaping who you are. Not being droned in to another person than what you've meant to be.
A good example is look at both sides of World war two, Or one. The nazi's side. The allies side, The jewish, The axis, And so on. Then you can form an opinion. But with american teachings they're pushing it towards a state of censorship about sides.
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