[QUOTE=Fenderson;36553163] I know this not from watching cooky-ass truther documentaries but [b]one[/b] documentary on the discovery channel on building demolition.
[/QUOTE]
lol I am now an authority on surgery because I watched a surgical documentary on discovery.
let's wrongfully assume the building was collapsed via a controlled demolition:
what type of explosive was used
why weren't there any tell-tale signs of demolition i.e. why didn't every first responder on the scene hear explosions like every other demolition in history
why didn't they intentionally make it fall sideways to prevent any doubt about it being a controlled demolition
who carried it out
why
when did the plant the charges
why haven't there been any whistle blowers.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;36553613]lol I am now an authority on surgery because I watched a surgical documentary on discovery.
let's wrongfully assume the building was collapsed via a controlled demolition:
what type of explosive was used
who carried it out
why
when did the plant the charges
why hasn't there been any whistle blowers.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to be an expert to realize how hard it is to bring down a building in a controlled manner.
You have to be an expert to bring down a building in a controlled manner.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36553679]You don't have to be an expert to realize how hard it is to bring down a building in a controlled manner.
You have to be an expert to bring down a building in a controlled manner.[/QUOTE]
nope, but you have to be an authority on a subject when you are attempting to discredit a commission of experts with no evidence at all.
[quote]let's wrongfully assume the building was collapsed via a controlled demolition:
what type of explosive was used
why weren't there any tell-tale signs of demolition i.e. why didn't every first responder on the scene hear explosions like every other demolition in history
why didn't they intentionally make it fall sideways to prevent any doubt about it being a controlled demolition
who carried it out
why
when did they plant the charges
why haven't there been any whistle blowers. [/quote]
answer those please.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36545255]Lets disregard the twin towers and take a look at WTC building 7. I will provide for you a clip of its collapse.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A[/media][/QUOTE]
1. that isn't the full clip you ignorant fuck, there are ~8 seconds before that clip starts where it's already begun falling in on itself
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkOGkdNq13k[/media]
2. if you're going to pretend you've actually researched something and you've come to your own conclusions on it you could at LEAST put the minimum amount of effort required into not posting completely false information
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36545255]
Now I'm sorry to tell you this, but [b]no building ever collapses this way due to fire damage[/b].[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.debunking911.com/wtc7swd.jpg[/img]
that doesn't look like fire to me, does it look like fire to you?
not only has it been known that there was physical structural damage to wtc7 for several years but you continue to be ignorant of it, I can only assume willfully
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36545255]When a building collapses due to fire damage is topples the fuck over, not collapses in on itself.[/QUOTE]
except for the part where [b]skyscrapers are built to fall in on themselves you thick fuck[/b], not only is it nigh impossible for a skyscraper to just 'topple the fuck over'[url=http://eagar.mit.edu/EagarPapers/Eagar185supplement1.pdf]¹[/url] but if you look at the design of 7 you might notice it's quite a bit stronger on the outside than on the inside
[img]http://failures.wikispaces.com/file/view/WTC_7_Plan.jpg/94358600/649x320/WTC_7_Plan.jpg[/img]
it shocks me that you believe that structural engineers have never once in the history of mankind considered designing buildings to collapse as safely as possible when they're built in heavily populated civilian centers
hint: they're a lot smarter than you
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36545255]Prove me wrong by showing me a building collapsing in on itself due to fire damage. (hint: you cant)[/QUOTE]
fire damage alone could very rarely collapse a building made of steel and concrete, but even if a weakened steel structure was the one and only cause of 7's collapse (it wasn't) it would STILL fall in on itself
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36545255]
This argument is disregarding the mountain of other evidence[/QUOTE]
the only evidence you're disregarding is the evidence that debunks your tinfoil-hatted bullshit
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36545255]huge spike in put orders made on businesses effected by 911 one day before.[/QUOTE]
1. citation required
2. circumstantial evidence
3. the government is competent enough to pull 9/11 off without any of the tens of thousands of co-conspirators leaking a single piece of information for more than ten years but didn't have the foresight to place the orders at a less suspicious time? you're fucking laughable
tl;dr like a true truther you're spurting a bullshit tsunami that will probably remain unaffected by any logic or evidence presented to you, I fully expect you to glance at this post and notice I'm actually backing my claims up with genuine evidence and either pretend I never replied or come at me with more unverified, already-debunked lies
9/11 conspiracy theories rustle the fuck out of my jimmies and I'm not embarrassed at all, anyone that takes them seriously is a waste of the air they breathe and should seriously consider donating all of their money to charity and offing themselves
thank you
[QUOTE=cccritical;36553802]1. that isn't the full clip you ignorant fuck[/QUOTE]
stopped reading there.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36553868]stopped reading there.[/QUOTE]
No surprise: as soon as he sees you used evidence he goes running scared.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36553868]stopped reading there.[/QUOTE]
not surprised [b]at all[/b], that post was more venting than anything since you've already been debunked hard as fuck by every other reasonable person in this thread
I do find it cute that you actually think that's the full clip though, is it because you've been told it's the full clip by so many deranged truthers you actually believe it or because you know the full clip invalidates almost all of your little theory?
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36553868]stopped reading there.[/QUOTE]
DAMN HE POSTED THE FULL VIDEO, I BETTER ABORT THE THREAD
Look, 911 was not a big deal at all but you cannot say that. So what 3,000 people died, 400,000 people die a year due to cigarettes. It is so fucking retarded that people pay so much patronage to 911 that I'll put my stance as far on the side opposite of the one that bombs millions of brown people. You're thinking, "Oh, Fenderson, you're so insensitive towards the victims" or maybe, "Consider the people that had to see that shit, what a shock!" but get over it. If you lived in Syria or any country we bombed as a result of the war on terrorism for a day, you'd be way more shaken up. For people who own so many guns Americans are way too unprepared for when their serene world comes crashing down.
If I said this in the street I would get some odd-ass looks, and that is bullshit. I suppose you can argue that the financial damages were much more severe than the loss of human life, but the way people pay patronage to the event certainly doesn't reflect that and the effects of the response to the terrorist attack was way worse than the attack itself, even for Americans. Since Al-Queda managed to provoke such a ludicrous response with what is in comparison, nothing, I would say that the terrorists won.
I am a patriot because I do not want to even give them credit.
you're not even trying anymore
if you're not going to debate please get the fuck out of this section thank you
You're the one arguing about it. Not us.
Also, Syria? are you even trying?
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36554157]
I am a patriot because I do not want to even give them credit.[/QUOTE]
"I am a patriot because I blame our government for 9/11"
oh I get it, you're not being serious when you post such unimaginably stupid shit, you're trolling us
show's over
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36554157]Look, 911 was not a big deal at all but you cannot say that. So what 3,000 people died, 400,000 people die a year due to cigarettes. .[/QUOTE]
There you go. Just like every truther in existence, he gets thrashed in a debate and just goes off on random tangents.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36554157]Look, 911 was not a big deal at all but you cannot say that. So what 3,000 people died, 400,000 people die a year due to cigarettes. It is so fucking retarded that people pay so much patronage to 911 that I'll put my stance as far on the side opposite of the one that bombs millions of brown people. You're thinking, "Oh, Fenderson, you're so insensitive towards the victims" or maybe, "Consider the people that had to see that shit, what a shock!" but get over it. If you lived in Syria or any country we bombed as a result of the war on terrorism for a day, you'd be way more shaken up. For people who own so many guns Americans are way too unprepared for when their serene world comes crashing down.
If I said this in the street I would get some odd-ass looks, and that is bullshit. I suppose you can argue that the financial damages were much more severe than the loss of human life, but the way people pay patronage to the event certainly doesn't reflect that and the effects of the response to the terrorist attack was way worse than the attack itself, even for Americans. Since Al-Queda managed to provoke such a ludicrous response with what is in comparison, nothing, I would say that the terrorists won.
I am a patriot because I do not want to even give them credit.[/QUOTE]
So you're just a troll then?
The response to 911 is so retarded that I will convince myself these sort of things. I've admitted you guys are right and am explaining my mentality.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36554302]I've admitted you guys are right[/QUOTE]
No you haven't?
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36554302]am explaining my mentality.[/QUOTE]
Not as much a mentality as it is a mental deficiency, you are actively filtering out concrete facts so that your picture of things seems reasonable to you. That is one of the worst ways to examine the world around you and if you can't overcome that you will not function properly in life.
All these theories are wonderful and all, but what I really want to know is why the US Government would ever order 9/11 to happen in the first place. I've seen a lot of evidence that suggests that the government did this, but very few reasoning as to [B]why[/B] they did this.
[QUOTE=electric926;36554450]All these theories are wonderful and all, but what I really want to know is why the US Government would ever order 9/11 to happen in the first place. I've seen a lot of evidence that suggests that the government did this, but very few reasoning as to [B]why[/B] they did this.[/QUOTE]
Because they're evil alien homosexual reptiles trying to enslave the human race (I am not joking, some people do genuinely think that's the reason).
[QUOTE=electric926;36554450]All these theories are wonderful and all, but what I really want to know is why the US Government would ever order 9/11 to happen in the first place. I've seen a lot of evidence that suggests that the government did this, but very few reasoning as to [B]why[/B] they did this.[/QUOTE]
When you say you've seen evidence, you don't mean you really believe the government could have done it, do you? Not only is there no motivation (like you said) but there's also the amount of people staging this would have taken, the fact that Al Quaeda has taken responsibility of it (why make yourself a target of the most powerful nation on Earth?), the fact that Al Quaeda tried once before 9/11 to bring one of the towers down, and the kicker:
Supposedly, a college student with no expertise or authority on any of the myriad subjects they claim were used to bring the WTCs down has 'proved' that 9/11 was an inside job. I'm talking about the guy behind Loose Change, even though everything he's posited in it has been debunked several times by people who actually are experts in the applicable fields. He made claims about a wide range of things he had no formal or genuine education in, including demolition, structural engineering, military and civilian systems for identifying and engaging aircraft in our airspace, and the psychology behind the hijackings themselves.
The United States of America has several enemy nations. These nations could easily pull together authoritative figures in their respective fields that could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. With the funding of an entire nation and access to every bit of information Loose Change had and more on top of that gained through espionage, they would be able to make the US a universal enemy, showing that our nation would willingly sacrifice thousands of its own people in a false flag operation for its own gain. Russia and China come to mind but I'm sure there would be other nations, groups or individuals that would bring something this big to light immediately.
If you can't understand my post tell me, I'm tired as hell and not double-checking anything.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36554157]Look, 911 was not a big deal at all but you cannot say that. So what 3,000 people died, 400,000 people die a year due to cigarettes. It is so fucking retarded that people pay so much patronage to 911 that I'll put my stance as far on the side opposite of the one that bombs millions of brown people. You're thinking, "Oh, Fenderson, you're so insensitive towards the victims" or maybe, "Consider the people that had to see that shit, what a shock!" but get over it. If you lived in Syria or any country we bombed as a result of the war on terrorism for a day, you'd be way more shaken up. For people who own so many guns Americans are way too unprepared for when their serene world comes crashing down.
If I said this in the street I would get some odd-ass looks, and that is bullshit. I suppose you can argue that the financial damages were much more severe than the loss of human life, but the way people pay patronage to the event certainly doesn't reflect that and the effects of the response to the terrorist attack was way worse than the attack itself, even for Americans. Since Al-Queda managed to provoke such a ludicrous response with what is in comparison, nothing, I would say that the terrorists won.
I am a patriot because I do not want to even give them credit.[/QUOTE]
Backpedaling like fuck.
[QUOTE=cccritical;36554679]When you say you've seen evidence, you don't mean you really believe the government could have done it, do you? Not only is there no motivation (like you said) but there's also the amount of people staging this would have taken, the fact that Al Quaeda has taken responsibility of it (why make yourself a target of the most powerful nation on Earth?), the fact that Al Quaeda tried once before 9/11 to bring one of the towers down, and the kicker:
Supposedly, a college student with no expertise or authority on any of the myriad subjects they claim were used to bring the WTCs down has 'proved' that 9/11 was an inside job. I'm talking about the guy behind Loose Change, even though everything he's posited in it has been debunked several times by people who actually are experts in the applicable fields. He made claims about a wide range of things he had no formal or genuine education in, including demolition, structural engineering, military and civilian systems for identifying and engaging aircraft in our airspace, and the psychology behind the hijackings themselves.
The United States of America has several enemy nations. These nations could easily pull together authoritative figures in their respective fields that could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. With the funding of an entire nation and access to every bit of information Loose Change had and more on top of that gained through espionage, they would be able to make the US a universal enemy, showing that our nation would willingly sacrifice thousands of its own people in a false flag operation for its own gain. Russia and China come to mind but I'm sure there would be other nations, groups or individuals that would bring something this big to light immediately.
If you can't understand my post tell me, I'm tired as hell and not double-checking anything.[/QUOTE]
Makes sense to me.
For the record, I [I]was[/I] being sarcastic, and I don't believe for a second that anyone besides Al-Quaeda perpetrated these events. I can't come up with an ulterior motive that the American government might have for perpetrating these events, and I have yet to see anyone answering that question for me. Even if it was secretly planned by Dick Cheney and his minions of evil, there's still the tiny little flaw that Bin Laden had been threatening to attack the United States since the Clinton Administration, a fact I may have brought up before. Not to mention that other Middle Eastern extremist groups have been threatening to attack America long before that even happened.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36554971]Backpedaling like fuck.[/QUOTE]
Understatement of the year. I particularly liked his statement that 9/11 isn't a big deal because more people have died from smoking. After all, religious extremists committing mass murder and tobacco products are totally comparable.
[QUOTE=cccritical;36554373]No you haven't?
Not as much a mentality as it is a mental deficiency, you are actively filtering out concrete facts so that your picture of things seems reasonable to you. That is one of the worst ways to examine the world around you and if you can't overcome that you will not function properly in life.[/QUOTE]
Nah, buildings don't collapse like that. I'm pretty sure I'm right.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36563607]Nah, buildings don't collapse like that. I'm pretty sure I'm right.[/QUOTE]
Nah
[QUOTE=electric926;36554450]All these theories are wonderful and all, but what I really want to know is why the US Government would ever order 9/11 to happen in the first place. I've seen a lot of evidence that suggests that the government did this, but very few reasoning as to [B]why[/B] they did this.[/QUOTE]
money.
By initiating a false flag attack and going to war many american companies stood to profit highly from it. including members of the previous administration, as well as their family and friends.
[QUOTE=Derpmonster;35670550]Like I said, if the government did really do it. Would would they possibly have to gain?[/QUOTE]
Keep control of the population through fear?
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36563607]Nah, buildings don't collapse like that. I'm pretty sure I'm right.[/QUOTE]
Bono called, he told you to stop being so self-centered.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36563607]Nah, buildings don't collapse like that. [U] I'm pretty sure I'm right.[/U][/QUOTE]
Your post would of been taken a tad bit more serious if you didn't make it sound like you're so full of yourself
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;35972927]And when it's discovered, it will come back and bite you in the ass like a angry gator.
There's always a better way [than] harming innocent people.[/QUOTE]
Many would argue that sometimes there isn't, but that isn't the point. Those who argue that it was an inside job don't necessarily think it was a good idea.
[editline]1st July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=jeimizu;36417156]In addition to the videos other people posted, it's worth noting that this happened in the morning in one of the largest cities in the United States, so there were hundreds of eye witnesses, unless you're claiming that they were all part of the conspiracy.
Furthermore, if you are trying to say that something other than a plane hit the pentagon, you have to explain the disappearance of a 757 and its 59 passengers...[/quote]
You are wrong. Proving that a plane did not hit the Pentagon would not require explaining or even knowing what happened to the plane that didn't hit it. This a common fallacy. You should be more skeptical of those who think they have all the answers than those who don't. FWIW, I don't think a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, but I can see why others would think that.
[editline]1st July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36475482]Let's pretend for the sake of argument that the U.S. gov did somehow stage 9/11 (it did not). Do you know how many countries would love to call the US gov out and cause major uproar back here? Russia is a prime example, if 9/11 was a conspiracy Russia would acquire incriminating intel and expose the US gov.
It would be a major win for Russia, and a blow to US gov's legitimacy.
But I doubt conspiracy theorist ever think logically like this.[/QUOTE]
People in the US don't really hear much of what the Russian authorities declare and when they do, they're not take seriously.
[editline]1st July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=cccritical;36554373]...you are actively filtering out concrete facts so that your picture of things seems reasonable to you. That is one of the worst ways to examine the world around you and if you can't overcome that you will not function properly in life.[/QUOTE]
This is a completely normal feature of the human brain. Being able to ignore, rationalize, and re-write reality helps people get on with their lives. Read about [URL="http://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/"]The Total Perspective Vortex[/URL] at Damn Interesting.
[QUOTE=Unfrozen;36578368]
You are wrong. Proving that a plane did not hit the Pentagon would not require explaining or even knowing what happened to the plane that didn't hit it. This a common fallacy. You should be more skeptical of those who think they have all the answers than those who don't. FWIW, I don't think a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, but I can see why others would think that.
[/QUOTE]
Actually yeah it would, because when you say that the plane did not actually crash into the pentagon/tower/field you do then have to explain both A: What did cause those blasts, and B: What happened to the planes. Because if they didn't hit where they officially (actually) hit then they just disappeared off the face of the earth. To prove the pentagon was not hit by a plane would require you find proof the plane that hit it was elsewhere at the time.
Dont know if anyone has seen this, but it is Bill O Reilly attacking a 9/11 victims son. The son believes that the governments is lying to us about what really happened, makes you hate him from the get-go. But hear him out, he has a very peaceful voice and Bill O Reilly has NO empathy at all towards him. It is quite disgusting actually.
[video=youtube;2IwIRNM5noY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY[/video]
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