#1ReasonWhy - Sexism in the Video Game Industry - SESSLER'S SOMETHING - General

[QUOTE=thisispain;38697872]most graduates can't research thesis papers properly so this radical feminist group of yours must be huge i don't care whatever personal reasons she has are her own, i don't even know her neither do you wtf[/QUOTE] Because this whole kickstarter fiasco and the gaming press that spun everything paints the game industry and everyone who plays games as "evil misogynist nerds" who are nothing but "trolls". The fact that every time she spoke about the backlash and never brought up the countless measured arguments only serves to further that point. It doesn't help that she either blocks comments on her videos or controls which ones get posted by having them require approval. This lets her control the conversation, changing the flow whichever way she pleases, in order to paint herself as the victim and gain more media exposure. While yes, the gaming community and internet in general are much to blame by posting stupid shit and giving her more spotlight than she needed, she is still a poor excuse of a "critic" who no one should sensibly listen to. Unless of course, they were doing research on not how to do something.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;38697860]i don't care what the fuck she did. the amount of pure hatred towards her for daring to insinuate that gaming has problems with gender equality (LIKE EVERYTHING FUCKING DOES) was so staggering as to be an embarrassment to the hobby at large. it really brought the creepy misogynists out of the woodwork and gave them some kind of weird voice for their shitty ideas[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I just can't find myself agreeing with a lot of what Anita says. I don't think women have the best portrayal in games, but I don't like [I]her [/I]views on the subject. But regardless, I cannot agree with the widespread negative response people gave her. it was terrible.

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38697931]Because this whole kickstarter fiasco and the gaming press that spun everything paints the game industry and everyone who plays games as "evil misogynist nerds" who are nothing but "trolls". The fact that every time she spoke about the backlash and never brought up the countless measured arguments only serves to further that point. It doesn't help that she either blocks comments on her videos or controls which ones get posted by having them require approval. This lets her control the conversation, changing the flow whichever way she pleases, in order to paint herself as the victim and gain more media exposure. While yes, the gaming community and internet in general are much to blame by posting stupid shit and giving her more spotlight than she needed, she is still a poor excuse of a "critic" who no one should sensibly listen to. Unless of course, they were doing research on not how to do something.[/QUOTE] maybe the reason she didn't respond to the measured criticism was because it was being drowned out by the rape threats seriously whatever issues she has as a critic pale in comparison to the issues that game people community demonstrated

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;38697953]maybe the reason she didn't respond to the measured criticism was because it was being drowned out by the rape threats seriously whatever issues she has as a critic pale in comparison to the issues that game people community demonstrated[/QUOTE] Most of the "rape threats" I've seen have been nothing but dumb tweets, image board or forum posts, or emails. Many videos I see on YouTube are either measured replies (some by feminists, mind you who dislike the image anita paints for them) or satirical portrayals. The internet has always been host to dumb people, anyone is going to get shitposters or people saying stupid shit. But the way she filters her comments and fails to respond to any videos (or even posts any updates regarding her videos that have yet to be created despite her already having a professional studio and equipment prior to making that kickstarter) only serves to raise eyebrows for me.

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38697931]Because this whole kickstarter fiasco and the gaming press that spun everything paints the game industry and everyone who plays games as "evil misogynist nerds" who are nothing but "trolls".[/QUOTE] lol no they didn't now you're just spinning it to serve your argument the gaming "press" made a newsday out of it sure, but almost every single website had some dude saying "this is a group of losers doing this". i was on the internet like the moment this shit really hit (i was a bystander and a victim!!!) and the entire community was doing pretty well to push this issue away even then you can't blame some san franciscan woman who made a kickstarter for thing that the gaming "press" did. [QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38697931]It doesn't help that she either blocks comments on her videos or controls which ones get posted by having them require approval.This lets her control the conversation, changing the flow whichever way she pleases[/QUOTE] yeah except no-one cares about youtube comments, most of which were angry posts anyway. you're making it sound like she's some dictator stifling dissent. no, she just removed troll and angry comments. way to be dramatic. [QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38697931]in order to paint herself as the victim[/QUOTE] hey guess what she is the victim people on the internet turned her into one and proved her right [QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38697931]she is still a poor excuse of a "critic" who no one should sensibly listen to.[/QUOTE] yeah ok by that standard no-one should sensibly listen to you because you are also making some very poor criticisms let everyone else judge her for themselves ok

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38697972]Most of the "rape threats" I've seen have been nothing but dumb tweets, image board or forum posts, or emails. Many videos I see on YouTube are either measured replies (some by feminists, mind you who dislike the image anita paints for them) or satirical portrayals. The internet has always been host to dumb people, anyone is going to get shitposters or people saying stupid shit. But the way she filters her comments and fails to respond to any videos (or even posts any updates regarding her videos that have yet to be created despite her already having a professional studio and equipment prior to making that kickstarter) only serves to raise eyebrows for me.[/QUOTE] Once again: Mob mentality. You don't need to overcomplicate things.

[QUOTE=Skyward;38697940] I don't like [I]her [/I]views on the subject.[/QUOTE] cool you're gonna call her a moron because you don't like her views on this subject

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;38693467]"fucking up" isn't what makes her the kind of person journalists want to write about. If it was they wouldn't be writing about her at all because she got exactly what she wanted. It's what she stands for that they like. Sexism in Video Games is a subject that has the potential to draw a lot of attention, and someone who takes Tumblr's anti-sex/pro-censorship stance can easily unlock this potential. Standing up for someone in a fight against a large group of people is also an easy way to make yourself look like "the good guy", and they've gotten multiple opportunities to do that. Because of this, journalists actually benefit from supporting people like Anita over less controversial figures, and that's precisely what they do.[/QUOTE] when I say "fucking up" I mean starting controversy, intentionally or otherwise

[QUOTE=Heftymadbobby;38697584]I'm sorry if my view isn't [B]"Super Liberal Save the Gays Power to the People"[/B] but I know this is bound to occur unless we just keep a neutral view on the matter.[/QUOTE] why dont you just pack it in and go home buddy

[QUOTE=thisispain;38697987]yeah except no-one cares about youtube comments, most of which were angry posts anyway. you're making it sound like she's some dictator stifling dissent. no, she just removed troll and angry comments. way to be dramatic.[/QUOTE] Then please enlighten me why all of the comments on her video (if they're allowed) only serve to prove her point and make her look like she's in the right for having little to no information on what she's talking about (for example, the bayonetta video she took down due to backlash). [video=youtube;p6gLmcS3-NI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI[/video] [video=youtube;LpFk5F-S_hI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpFk5F-S_hI[/video]

Tumblr's anti-sex/pro-censorship stance what the fuck are you talking about???

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38697972]Most of the "rape threats" I've seen have been nothing but dumb tweets, image board or forum posts, or emails. [/QUOTE] Rape threats are serious in any capacity, doesn't really matter what platform the message was posted on.

[QUOTE=thisispain;38697999]cool you're gonna call her a moron because you don't like her views on this subject[/QUOTE] Ugh... No, she's uninformed and contradicts herself constantly. That's moronic. And I don't like it. Hence she's a moron, and I don't like her views on the subject. Don't put words in my mouth.

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38698012]Then please enlighten me why all of the comments on her video (if they're allowed) only serve to prove her point and make her look like she's in the right for having little to no information on what she's talking about (for example, the bayonetta video she took down due to backlash).[/QUOTE] how would i even know lol i didn't sit and look through every comment, you i'm sure didn't either and don't use someone else's videos to give your argument credibility tia

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38697972]Most of the "rape threats" I've seen have been nothing but dumb tweets, image board or forum posts, or emails. Many videos I see on YouTube are either measured replies (some by feminists, mind you who dislike the image anita paints for them) or satirical portrayals. The internet has always been host to dumb people, anyone is going to get shitposters or people saying stupid shit. But the way she filters her comments and fails to respond to any videos (or even posts any updates regarding her videos that have yet to be created despite her already having a professional studio and equipment prior to making that kickstarter) only serves to raise eyebrows for me.[/QUOTE] so pretty much every avenue on which people were communicating with her and dude drop the fucking conspiracy shit about her taking the money. you have absolutely no idea what she's doing right now and are in no position to judge it Christ, why do you people make me fucking side with her? I fucking hate her. She's exactly the kind of critic that makes me want to kick puppies into volcanoes. But because every time she's brought up someone has to comment on how she's a scam artist or a radical or how she should get back in the kitchen or something retarded like that so I can't talk about how I feel because then I'd just be adding to your insipid bile. You've taken away my ability to criticize her in an open and free environment, and for that I hate you motherfucks more than I could ever hate her.

[QUOTE=thisispain;38698016]Tumblr's anti-sex/pro-censorship stance what the fuck are you talking about???[/QUOTE] I'm not even starting with you.

[QUOTE=Skyward;38698025]Ugh... No, she's uninformed and contradicts herself constantly. That's moronic. And I don't like it.[/QUOTE] i'm uninformed and contradict myself too that's not constructive or even useful as a criticism if you disagree with her cool but don't call her a moron for vague things because it's just insults and a waste of my internet bits

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;38691686]yeah we know what she did wrong, that's not the point.[/QUOTE] anyone that thinks "things anita did wrong!" is the point of this video or this thread is clueless

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;38698038]I'm not even starting with you.[/QUOTE] have you ever even been in the same room as someone using tumblr or even met someone that once knew a guy that went on tumblr because its definitely not anti-sex or pro-censorship lol

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;38698053]anyone that thinks "things anita did wrong!" is the point of this video or this thread is clueless[/QUOTE] Seriously, why did this thread shift topics at the first damn page?

[QUOTE=thisispain;38698016]Tumblr's anti-sex/pro-censorship stance what the fuck are you talking about???[/QUOTE] lol this generalization is hilarious

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;38698034] Christ, why do you people make me fucking side with her? I fucking hate her. [/QUOTE] ahha i'm not a big fan of her either i find her criticisms to be extremely shallow and more about reaching a conclusion than actually analysing what she's talking about, which means they usually speak to the choir instead of inform people about the subject hopefully the docu is different, gotta stay positive!!!

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;38698034]so pretty much every avenue on which people were communicating with her and dude drop the fucking conspiracy shit about her taking the money. you have absolutely no idea what she's doing right now and are in no position to judge it Christ, why do you people make me fucking side with her? I fucking hate her. She's exactly the kind of critic that makes me want to kick puppies into volcanoes. But because every time she's brought up someone has to comment on how she's a scam artist or a radical or how she should get back in the kitchen or something retarded like that so I can't talk about how I feel because then I'd just be adding to your insipid bile. You've taken away my ability to criticize her in an open and free environment, and for that I hate you motherfucks more than I could ever hate her.[/QUOTE] Why shouldn't I raise an eyebrow when she gets all this money and suddenly goes silent? When she clearly already had a studio, professional video and editing equipment, and every current gen console with 4 controllers and charging stations before she started this kickstarter? Where [I]are[/I] the videos? If they are being delayed, why hasn't she [I]said so[/I]? Why hasn't she at least made a tweet about how progress is coming along, instead of tweeting how Team ICO is a bunch of misogynists who contribute nothing to gaming (despite making two of the greatest games of last gen) or tweeting her mad new stack of games or her launch copy of Halo 4? Anyone would be suspicious.

[QUOTE=Skyward;38698060]Seriously, why did this thread shift topics at the first damn page?[/QUOTE] Because if we're going to talk about sexism, we're going to have to talk about feminists. Because why examine yourself if you can't first shift focus onto someone else's faults.

[QUOTE=thisispain;38698047]i'm uninformed and contradict myself too that's not constructive or even useful as a criticism [/QUOTE] I fail to see how. If she wants to be taken seriously, she needs to... A) Know what she's talking about. B) Have a consistent argument. How is that not a useful criticism?

[QUOTE=Skyward;38698060]Seriously, why did this thread shift topics at the first damn page?[/QUOTE] Maybe I should just stop bringing up Anita on the internet. I just get so riled up, but to be fair she was discussed briefly in the video and is related to the topic at hand. Nonetheless, the thread took a rather sharp turn, and it's most likely my fault.

[QUOTE=thisispain;38698072]ahha i'm not a big fan of her either i find her criticisms to be extremely shallow and more about reaching a conclusion than actually analysing what she's talking about, which means they usually speak to the choir instead of inform people about the subject hopefully the docu is different, gotta stay positive!!![/QUOTE] you know I like you and I respect you

[QUOTE=Skyward;38698060]Seriously, why did this thread shift topics at the first damn page?[/QUOTE] people want to complain about anita. Sessler brought her up and everyone assumed he was defending her actions when that is clearly not the case! [editline]4th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=kanesenpai~;38698083]Maybe I should just stop bringing up Anita on the internet. I just get so riled up, but to be fair she was discussed briefly in the video and is related to the topic at hand. Nonetheless, the thread took a rather sharp turn, and it's most likely my fault.[/QUOTE] thanks. [editline]4th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Skyward;38698081]I fail to see how. If she wants to be taken seriously, she needs to... A) Know what she's talking about. B) Have a consistent argument. How is that not a useful criticism?[/QUOTE] that is useful (sort of). just saying "you're a moron" is not quite so much.

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;38698090] that is useful (sort of). just saying "you're a moron" is not quite so much.[/QUOTE] Well it's sure good that I didn't just say that, then! [QUOTE=Skyward;38697828]To be fair, she's a complete moron [B]and fails to make any solid points, while contradicting herself all the damn time.[/B] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Skyward;38698025]Ugh... [B]No, she's uninformed and contradicts herself constantly.[/B] That's moronic. And I don't like it. Hence she's a moron, and I don't like her views on the subject. Don't put words in my mouth.[/QUOTE] And how is it only "sort of" useful to say that if you want to make a good point, don't go back on it constantly, and have the facts to back it up?

[QUOTE=thisispain;38697618] as for anita she states very clearly what her mindset and perspective for her videos are, if you have a problem with that [b]i suggest you don't watch videos by someone called "feministfrequency"[/b] [/QUOTE] you talk like if you disagree with anita that makes you not a feminist she represents a very specific kind of feminism it's like saying if I disagree with catholics that makes me not a christian