I hated Romeo and Juliet, I agree. Macbeth wasn't too bad, it was still pretty shit though.
but romeo is so dreamy
Shakespeare's tragedies are boring as hell. His comedies are half decent though.
But now we're off-topic again.
taepdong lets make shakespeare fun ok
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[QUOTE=venom;26536767]Digital camo works on the principle that it's more disruptive than the standard camouflage patterns. It breaks up the human shape better than the blob camo of yesteryear.[/QUOTE]
I just got through telling you I've seen MARPAT in action, and it doesn't work all that well. When it was close enough to even see a distinguishable pattern, you would already know the guy was there and be lighting him up. Not a good thing when you're trying to even pass yourself off as slightly stealthy, or avoid being spotted and killed by people with a half-decent eye.
[QUOTE]What[/QUOTE]
A sniper in a ghillie suit [I]can[/I] be close to people and not be noticed. It's foolish to be at the distances I'm told digital excels at. Not going to go over well, methinks. Basically, the only person who would even reasonably consider being hidden at anywhere near that kind of distance would be a sniper, and even so, I think that's a bit risky.
Wait, what IS the most effective range of digital camo? Other side of the mountains?
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;26536872]No, any digital camoflage worth its salt is designed to camouflage a target at all ranges.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. "Designed" is not the same as doing, and I don't think it does much in the way of hiding.
Again, the pattern seems (to me) to be barely noticeable when the target is more than a few dozen feet away, still close enough to easily pick out and hit an average person-sized target. If I can't see much pattern at all, what's the point in it's use at range? Again
[QUOTE]NO modern patterns work as well when the wearer is moving, at all. In fact, solid colors work better when the wearer is moving.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this, but you sort of missed my point. I'm not saying I want to be completely hidden at a distance - frankly, anyone who is decently aware and has a good eye will probably notice you anyway. The example from Macbeth that I cited is more feasible - disguising your numbers, exact position, ect. While I don't really want to be seen, it's not reasonable to think any normal squad on the move could completely hide itself. The ranges airsoft combat takes place at are relatively short anyway, and you [I]will[/I] be seen sooner or later. You can only really hope to get away with distorting your profile and skewing the OpFor's perspective, which is still very useful.
[QUOTE]A pattern moving is more noticeable than a flat color (That is good for the environment does) moving, due to the fact that a solid pattern moving has less visual distortion than a pattern does.[/QUOTE]
Again, I agree here, but not this isn't really relevant.
[QUOTE]A close range, digital works very well on a non moving wearer, whereas a blotch pattern doesn't.[/QUOTE]
At close range, I'll see you anyway, especially since I know what digital looks like, and consequently what to look [I]for[/I], regardless of movement. To me, it doesn't look natural enough, and seems [I]too[/I] broken up. The entire thing would have to be digital blocks (it has blotches that, while very sharp and brick-like, seem to stick out at me more). Even so, like I said, I know what digital looks like, so you're going to be screwed if I'm paying attention anyway. A person in woodland who isn't moving, however, would probably throw me off more easily, simply because the pattern reminds me more of plants and less of a bad-quality JPEG image.
[QUOTE]At long range, digital blends into what looks like a solid color. This is actually more effective on both moving and non-moving targets at long range.[/QUOTE]
Non-moving, you may have a point, but it's not really enough to convince me. I'll still see them more often than not.
[QUOTE]Not hugely more effective, since movement is easy to spot regardless of what the user is wearing, but better than a solid pattern by quite a bit.[/QUOTE]
Again, you do have a point here. This tradeoff isn't enough to convince me.
That picture posted earlier with the SEALs basically cements my point. If those guys stood perfectly still, I might walk right by them, and that's up close, too (if they were prone, I would be dead).
[QUOTE=W0w00t;26536879]jenkem...
youre dumb.
[editline]6th December 2010[/editline]
7:52 PM - GerAA- the order has been done: jenkims dumb y/n
7:55 PM - Niko: y[/QUOTE]
Congratulations. You don't know how to argue, so you call me names instead.
Have a medal. For being dumber than the person you accused.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;26537099]uh in macbeth they cut down whole trees and walked to the castle with them. that has no relevance to camouflage either, dunno where you pulled that out of.[/QUOTE]
Go ahead. Keep that attitude, see where it gets you.
You're trying to avoid confronting my points.
In Macbeth, they couldn't identify the number of troops approaching them. The boughs acted as a sort of medieval ghillie suit (whole trees, though? I don't think it ever said that).
Jenkem, instead of reading all that I'm going to tell you that you are trying too hard, that digital patterns do work great and you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyum girl u be talkin shit bout my attitude? i dont think so! mhm noway!
hunny ur the one with the bad attitude!
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you don't understand a cock about camo
wikileaks released this today on how the common people think of jenkem
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6:19 PM - GerAA- the order has been done: and not 1 ban
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6:19 PM - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: some stupid fuck who thinks digtal cam sucks
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6:20 PM - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin: like not that digital camo isnt good
6:20 PM - GerAA- the order has been done: rate urself agree
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omg im in there im famous~~
fAM00s
what are you DOING tank
ahaha u callt him tanko wned FUCKERR
[QUOTE=Stupideye;26537389]Jenkem, instead of reading all that I'm going to tell you that you are trying too hard, that digital patterns do work great and you have no clue as to what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]
And you do?
I raised a few simple points that haven't really been disproven, and I'll I've been is insulted (except by Timebomb, he's cool). This happens every time I actually bother to challenge a something generally accepted that doesn't have enormously strong backing.
I'm not trying too hard. You won't read my post because either
1. I'm right, you know it, and you're too arrogant to factor in a relative newbie's observations
2. You're lazy
3. Maybe you're just an idiot, though I doubt it, because the rest of your posts are fine.
[QUOTE=W0w00t;26537398]you don't understand a cock about camo[/QUOTE]
You don't understand a cock about cocks, do you?
Get out. You can't even insult me with proper capitalization, never mind trying to contribute to this thread like a normal person.
Well, let's see. I've raised a few legitimate issues, none of which were really countered with anything convincing, and all I see now is name-calling. What's with you arrogant fools?
[QUOTE=W0w00t;26537472]ahaha u callt him tanko wned FUCKERR[/QUOTE]
ya atlest i hava santa hat LOL :))
[QUOTE=Jenkem;26537481]And you do?
I raised a few simple points that haven't really been disproven, and I'll I've been is insulted (except by Timebomb, he's cool). This happens every time I actually bother to challenge a something generally accepted that doesn't have enormously strong backing.
I'm not trying too hard. You won't read my post because either
1. I'm right, you know it, and you're too arrogant to factor in a relative newbie's observations
2. You're lazy
3. Maybe you're just an idiot, though I doubt it, because the rest of your posts are fine.[/QUOTE]
your observations are WRONG.
YOU'RE WRONG
YOU'RE DUMB
your wrong
end of ztory
[editline]6th December 2010[/editline]
wtf i want a satan hat :(
Get your shit together, tark
santa**
[QUOTE=Jenkem;26537481]And you do?
I raised a few simple points that haven't really been disproven, and I'll I've been is insulted (except by Timebomb, he's cool). This happens every time I actually bother to challenge a something generally accepted that doesn't have enormously strong backing.
I'm not trying too hard. You won't read my post because either
1. I'm right, you know it, and you're too arrogant to factor in a relative newbie's observations
2. You're lazy
3. Maybe you're just an idiot, though I doubt it, because the rest of your posts are fine.[/QUOTE]
4. I can't backpedal now!!! then they will never respect me!!!!
[editline]7th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ivebo;26537505]Get your shit together, tark[/QUOTE]
tank*
How bout you all STFU and bitch about camo in the camo thread where it belongs. This is the post your loadouts thread, not bitch about camo thread.
Pretty sure I've said this more than once.
I'm not sure where you hear this digital camo being total shit at medium range from. It does work. About 70% of the people I skirmish with wear digital, and it does in fact work.
Fuck, ask fourleaf (if he ever comes back on FP) about CADPAT. His teammate was six feet away from him wearing full cadpat and he didn't even notice the guy until he moved.
[QUOTE=xXEnder007Xx;26537530]How bout you all STFU and bitch about camo in the camo thread where it belongs. This is the post your loadouts thread, not bitch about camo thread.
Pretty sure I've said this more than once.[/QUOTE]
ok, yeah wow, i agree
my bad
[QUOTE=Jenkem;26537481]And you do?
I raised a few simple points that haven't really been disproven, and I'll I've been is insulted (except by Timebomb, he's cool). This happens every time I actually bother to challenge a something generally accepted that doesn't have enormously strong backing.
I'm not trying too hard. You won't read my post because either
1. I'm right, you know it, and you're too arrogant to factor in a relative newbie's observations
2. You're lazy
3. Maybe you're just an idiot, though I doubt it, because the rest of your posts are fine.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I do know that digital cams work great because 1. I've been playing airsoft for over 4 years and 2. Every game I've been to I've played with people wearing MARPAT, CADPAT, etc. and it works really well. Both non-digi and digi camos work good.
I just think you're fucking retarded so thats why I don't try to make a big post about it.
[QUOTE=xXEnder007Xx;26537530]How bout you all STFU and bitch about camo in the camo thread where it belongs. This is the post your loadouts thread, not bitch about camo thread.
Pretty sure I've said this more than once.[/QUOTE]
yell at that jenkins kid
How about this? If you wanna bitch at each other and whatnot, you have to post a loadout picture at the beginning of the post.
ILL START.
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[editline]7th December 2010[/editline]
Picture from many moons ago. When my M79 had a stock and I used a little M4.
[editline]7th December 2010[/editline]
had to wear DCUs at that game by the way, wasnt my choice :v:
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excuse me thats not at the start of your post!
oh look its digi camo WORKING
Holy shit that looks really good.
[QUOTE=W0w00t;26537497]your observations are WRONG.
YOU'RE WRONG
YOU'RE DUMB
your wrong
end of ztory
[editline]6th December 2010[/editline]
wtf i want a satan hat :([/QUOTE]
A++ way to refute an arguement. Good work. Why aren't you banned yet?
[QUOTE=DarkSamus;26537520]4. I can't backpedal now!!! then they will never respect me!!!![/QUOTE]
I'm not a gang member. I don't care about "respect" like that. Nobody does anyway, even if I do kiss up to them.
All I did was raise some simple points that challenge and apparently divine opinion. You folks, however, are the ones blowing this out of proportion and turning it into a borderline flame war. I wasn't feeling aggressive until I started getting called names for challenging your god-like insights.
Why should I backpedal? I didn't just walk into this thread and claim rights to the throne of England. All I did was question a generally-accepted opinion's 100% gospel validity.
[QUOTE=xXEnder007Xx;26537530]How bout you all STFU and bitch about camo in the camo thread where it belongs. This is the post your loadouts thread, not bitch about camo thread.
Pretty sure I've said this more than once.[/QUOTE]
Hm, forgot about that thread. Sorry.
[QUOTE=venom;26537533]I'm not sure where you hear this digital camo being total shit at medium range from. It does work. About 70% of the people I skirmish with wear digital, and it does in fact work.[/QUOTE]
I don't know where you're from, or who you skirmish with, but 70% of the players here [I]don't[/I] wear digital. Most of us aren't idiots or noobs. Many long-standing community members use traditional camo (the top local team, Task Force 20, is sponsored by 5.11 tactical and doesn't even use camo. They use plain OD BDUs).
[QUOTE]Fuck, ask fourleaf (if he ever comes back on FP) about CADPAT. His teammate was six feet away from him wearing full cadpat and he didn't even notice the guy until he moved.[/QUOTE]
There's so many things wrong with a claim like that, and so many variables, that it really doesn't hold up on it's face without some extra background to judge it by.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;26537554]Yeah I do know that digital cams work great because 1. I've been playing airsoft for over 4 years[/QUOTE]
Join date elitism applies in real life, and it's just as irrelevant. You just stripped yourself of any credibility.
Some people have been playing airsoft for years and are just as stupid as they were when they started, if not moreso. Don't be one of them.
[QUOTE]and 2. Every game I've been to I've played with people wearing MARPAT, CADPAT, etc. and it works really well.[/QUOTE]
Most communities have someone who uses it. Just because someone uses it at every single game doesn't mean much. Every game I go to, someone is using ACU; doesn't make it any more useful.
[QUOTE]Both non-digi and digi camos work good.[/QUOTE]
Finally, you said something sensible and uninsulting.
[QUOTE]I just think you're fucking retarded so thats why I don't try to make a big post about it.[/QUOTE]
Cop-out.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;26537681][img_thumb]http://speedo.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v9/p365833342-3.jpg[/img_thumb]
excuse me thats not at the start of your post!
oh look its digi camo WORKING[/QUOTE]
I've never seen CADPAT in action. That would be a case where it does work well; if the background was a slightly different color, a slightly different type of foliage, ect., I would be inclined to think he would still show up relatively well. Also, that woodland camo looks too light (knockoff?).
Again, though, the distance that picture was taken at is close enough that that guy would still be screwed as far as hiding goes. I would still easily see that. Add some facepaint, though, and then maybe we can talk...
EDIT: Viewing the picture as a thumbnail reveals a slight, but possibly fatal, constrast between the foliage and CADPAT. I would also very likely notice this, fatally exposing the user.
Someone called you names bawwwwww
i repeat myself and others.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;26537726]I don't know where you're from, or who you skirmish with, but 70% of the players here [I]don't[/I] wear digital. Most of us aren't idiots or noobs.[/QUOTE]
ffs
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