• Iron Man 3 (2013) - A technological thriller set in the world of international war, arms and terror.
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[QUOTE=Zinayzen;40749389]Someone on reddit wrote up a very, VERY detailed description of a fight between captain America and wolverine. Based on that, I'm reasonably confident cap would win.[/QUOTE] Would you mind linking it if you can? I used to love seeing this sort of stuff on character battle threads.
[URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/14hz7e/captain_america_vs_wolverine/c7ddosi"]Found it.[/URL] Would have linked it sooner but I posted that on my phone. tl;dr - Captain America would destroy Iron Man, but probably not Wolverine.
I really liked that they focused primarily on Tony, not "Iron Man". One of the strong points of these movies (except for 2 fuck that shit), and I got a lot of Lethal Weapon vibes from Shane Black's influence.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;40749545][URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/14hz7e/captain_america_vs_wolverine/c7ddosi"]Found it.[/URL] Would have linked it sooner but I posted that on my phone. tl;dr - Captain America would destroy Iron Man, but probably not Wolverine.[/QUOTE] Tony Stark without his suit? Most probably, being an engineered superhuman. With his suit? Cap would get massacred. As for Wolverine, I don't think it'd be close at all, purely 1v1 without tricks or external help, Cap has absolutely no chance considering what Wolverine can regenerate from.
I'm not sure about that, to be honest. His Shield could withstand any shots from Tony (didn't he take a tank shot in the movie?), and I have a feeling he'd be able to break through the suit if the fight lasted long enough. Now, if Tony had his massive supply of suits like he did in the movie, then yeah Cap's totally boned. One on one with ONE suit...I think Cap might win. It'd be close.
I think if he had all of those suits, it would be a bit unfair.
Wolverine should be able to take just about anybody with ease. His healing factor helps him out a ton. His relentless fighting style would also take him places. Cap and Iron Man would be fairly matched. Don't forget Cap is superhuman and that shield can take anything. Iron Man could just grab Cap and drop him from a great height but don't think Cap would just let that happen.
Eh, when you go "X could beat Y IF X had this really overpowered armor army", you kinda are grabbing for straws Okay, Captain America could beat Iron Man if he happened to emit an EMP that bypassed a Faraday cage every 3 seconds.
If Iron Man's suit stood up to Thor, it can stand up to Captain America. Also I assume we're talking about the film universe portrayals of these characters?
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;40754253]If Iron Man's suit stood up to Thor[/QUOTE] Not very well. If Thor didn't zap him he would've got pounded to dust.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;40754311]Not very well. If Thor didn't zap him he would've got pounded to dust.[/QUOTE] The suit held up physically pretty well for a metal suit. Captain America is leagues under Thor in every physical aspect. [editline]23rd May 2013[/editline] Plus his suit has some good durability feats besides iron man 3.
then again, cap's shield reflected thor's hammer also he cut a fucking car in half with it in one of the comics
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;40754576]then again, cap's shield reflected thor's hammer also he cut a fucking car in half with it in one of the comics[/QUOTE] Movie feats, comic book Iron Man is miles ahead of movie Iron Man. Cap's shield would be the main thing that stops him from being pulverized into dust in the first few minutes of the fight but Iron Man should still win this.
If we go by movie, there's the fact that Cap, for all the genetic manipulation and training, is still nowhere close to the IR armour. Nowhere near in strength, speed or offensive capabilities. Not to mention he can't fly. Swarm missiles would bypass his shield, it's small and he can't protect much of his body at the same time. He can't do much versus an airborn enemy, nor could he do much in CQC against something that can take a tank shell in the face and not get scratched. If we go by the comics, well that's an even bigger difference.
I'll settle it sometime in Marvel vs. Capcom
[QUOTE=acds;40755792]If we go by movie, there's the fact that Cap, for all the genetic manipulation and training, is still nowhere close to the IR armour. Nowhere near in strength, speed or offensive capabilities. Not to mention he can't fly. Swarm missiles would bypass his shield, it's small and he can't protect much of his body at the same time. He can't do much versus an airborn enemy, nor could he do much in CQC against something that can take a tank shell in the face and not get scratched. If we go by the comics, well that's an even bigger difference.[/QUOTE] Technically Cap could also take a tank shell and not get scratched, but you're right about the swarm missiles and flying. Although he could probably knock Tony clean out of the air with a well thrown shield.
Just saw the movie. It definitely felt a bit different than the previous ones. I had a huge disadvantage because I saw it with Czech dubbing and let me tell you, the voice actor for Tony was just terrible. Also Mandarin's dubbing was pretty awful, too. During the watch I realized I actually didn't really fully enjoyed any of the Iron Man movies. Robert Downey Jr. acts amazingly and is THE reason I enjoy them but the villains and fights are underwhelming in some way. To be honest though, this one had pretty decent big battle and the villain was slightly better. [sp]I admit, I was really looking forward to the real Mandarin but it was an interesting twist. I found Killian calling himself Mandarin a bit unnecessary though. Those anxiety attacks Tony had didn't feel that justified, out of place. It was an idea that could have worked but was introduced poorly. Also the main villain dies again.[/sp] But I can recommend it. It's a lot of fun, I didn't mind the kid unless he has weird voice in English. And I liked the [sp]Extremis goons[/sp].
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;40756350]Technically Cap could also take a tank shell and not get scratched, but you're right about the swarm missiles and flying. Although he could probably knock Tony clean out of the air with a well thrown shield.[/QUOTE] Don't think the energy behind the thrown shield is enough to knock Iron Man out of the sky. It also depends on how fast Iron Man will be flying.
[QUOTE=Marden;40756409]Just saw the movie. It definitely felt a bit different than the previous ones. I had a huge disadvantage because I saw it with Czech dubbing and let me tell you, the voice actor for Tony was just terrible. Also Mandarin's dubbing was pretty awful, too. During the watch I realized I actually didn't really fully enjoyed any of the Iron Man movies. Robert Downey Jr. acts amazingly and is THE reason I enjoy them but the villains and fights are underwhelming in some way. To be honest though, this one had pretty decent big battle and the villain was slightly better. [sp]I admit, I was really looking forward to the real Mandarin but it was an interesting twist. I found Killian calling himself Mandarin a bit unnecessary though. Those anxiety attacks Tony had didn't feel that justified, out of place. It was an idea that could have worked but was introduced poorly. Also the main villain dies again.[/sp] But I can recommend it. It's a lot of fun, I didn't mind the kid unless he has weird voice in English. And I liked the [sp]Extremis goons[/sp].[/QUOTE] I'm honestly not sure that last spoiler is a spoiler at all, considering it was fairly common knowledge around the date of release, and was even in trailers. If it's in trailers, it can't be a spoiler
[QUOTE=ojcoolj;40758697]I'm honestly not sure that last spoiler is a spoiler at all, considering it was fairly common knowledge around the date of release, and was even in trailers. If it's in trailers, it can't be a spoiler[/QUOTE] What if some guy didn't know and it ruined his day
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;40748444]Maybe in a battle of brute force, but I think wits would have to go to Stark.[/QUOTE] I dunno about that. In science smarts, yeah, Stark obviously wins, but Cap's the leader of the Avengers for a reason. He's a MASTER strategist.
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;40760299]I dunno about that. In science smarts, yeah, Stark obviously wins, but Cap's the leader of the Avengers for a reason. He's a MASTER strategist.[/QUOTE] Have we seen feats of his mastery on strategy in the movies though? I forgot.
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;40760333]Have we seen feats of his mastery on strategy in the movies though? I forgot.[/QUOTE] A little. He busted all those POWs out of the HYDRA bases and effectively controlled the ground during the battle of New York.
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;40760368]A little. He busted all those POWs out of the HYDRA bases and effectively controlled the ground during the battle of New York.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's pretty good but what's stopping Iron Man from tackling Captain America with supersonic speed and/or wrestling the shield off him with strength that easily surpasses the Captain and then killing him? Captain America didn't seem to use strategy when he was fighting Loki.
Captain America has proven himself to be very agile, perhaps even more so than Stark in the suit.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40760433]Captain America has proven himself to be very agile, perhaps even more so than Stark in the suit.[/QUOTE] Yeah but one grab and it's over.
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;40760453]Yeah but one grab and it's over.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. Remember the Shield.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;40760504]Not necessarily. Remember the Shield.[/QUOTE] What about it? He can easily wrestle it off him. It's not like the shield is faster than that (second?) tank round that was shot at him in the first Iron Movie. [editline]24th May 2013[/editline] However if Stark used the armour that was used most throughout[sp]Iron Man 3[/sp], I'd say the Captain has a very good chance of curbstomping Iron Man
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;40760526]What about it? He can easily wrestle it off him. It's not like the shield is faster than that (second?) tank round that was shot at him in the first Iron Movie. [editline]24th May 2013[/editline] However if Stark used the armour that was used most throughout[sp]Iron Man 3[/sp], I'd say the Captain has a very good chance of curbstomping Iron Man[/QUOTE] That Shield can fuck you up. Also it literally absorbs all momentum/kinetic energy, remember the scene where they fire bullets at the shield in The First Avenger and the bullets just drop? Not even crumpled? And in Avengers when he takes a full on hammer down from Thor and is completely fine? The Shield is a very important factor.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;40760900]That Shield can fuck you up. Also it literally absorbs all momentum/kinetic energy, remember the scene where they fire bullets at the shield in The First Avenger and the bullets just drop? Not even crumpled? And in Avengers when he takes a full on hammer down from Thor and is completely fine? The Shield is a very important factor.[/QUOTE] Yeah I know that but like I said, Iron Man could just grab the shield off him. He's stronger than the Captain and has thrusters too. It won't take much for Iron Man to wrestle it off from Captain America. No one is questioning the durability of that shield. Iron Man has dodged faster things than the shield, like that tank round from the first movie. His shield is the only factor preventing the Captain from getting massacred from the first few minutes/seconds of the fight.
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