• Pro-Legalization vs Prohibition of "Drugs"
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But I like alcohol banning would make me unhappy
Idk if banning alcohol is the best solution. If there were just some way that people couldn't drink so much of it. Just enough to be a little drunk but not completely unaware.
[QUOTE=jbthekid;33729115]Idk if banning alcohol is the best solution. If there were just some way that people couldn't drink so much of it. Just enough to be a little drunk but not completely unaware.[/QUOTE] That level is different for everybody. That is really hard to regulate.
[QUOTE=Tibbles!;33726031]Clearly banning it doesnt work. We need to, but people are to idiotic and addicted to give it up. Alcohol is too interwoven in our culture, so until we remove alcohol from our culture, we can never progress. That's the solution, make people not want to drink. For now that's impossible, but I imagine in the future, there are bound to be some changes.[/QUOTE] What do you mean by never progress?
[QUOTE=Tibbles!;33726538]Well sure, everythings fine in moderation, but the problem is alcohol is too easily abused.[/QUOTE] ok fine. say you take away alcohol from society? they move on to another substance as their keystone drug and the same or similar problem occurs. it's not a drug's fault, it's people's.
I say that marijuana should be legalized, the only reason why it hasn't been legalized is because the government doesn't know how to control it in the streets.
Legalise the least harmful ones and decriminalize the more harmful ones
Weed isn't even a drug, it's a plant. Tylenol is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. Cough syrup is a drug. Bud is a flower you pick off a plant. The three latter drugs have killed plenty of people but this plant has never killed anyone. [editline]20th December 2011[/editline] Fact: Heroine was actually started as cough medicine by Bayer in the 1920's, why are companies allowed to created harmful prescription drugs with all these dangerous side affects yet this plant is HATED by the U.S. government and more than 40% of the population?
umm so the many cannibinoids like thc that get you high when you smoke it aren't drugs? cocaine isn't a drug then, it's also a plant.
[QUOTE=Candels;33816880]Weed isn't even a drug, it's a plant. Tylenol is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. Cough syrup is a drug. Bud is a flower you pick off a plant. The three latter drugs have killed plenty of people but this plant has never killed anyone. [editline]20th December 2011[/editline] Fact: Heroine was actually started as cough medicine by Bayer in the 1920's, why are companies allowed to created harmful prescription drugs with all these dangerous side affects yet this plant is HATED by the U.S. government and more than 40% of the population?[/QUOTE] Gamertag= xXx1337qu1ckscopez420xXx
Honestly, here in the States I think it's great that individual states are taking it into their own hands by decriminalizing Marijuana and some introducing medical marijuana systems. It's not perfect, but it's a start.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;33832807]Gamertag= xXx1337qu1ckscopez420xXx[/QUOTE] what?
I've had two relatives killed by drunk drivers. As much as I'd love to see alcohol banned, it wouldn't fix the problem. Prohibition taught us that lesson. People are going to get drunk regardless, much like the people still getting high regardless of the ban on weed. I honestly think they should be legalized, just to break up this cartel shit we have going on. 100% of deaths related to marijuana are caused by drug trafficking/dealing related crimes. I don't think we'd have that statistic if it were legal. As for other drugs, some are so dangerous that they're banned for the good of the people. Like meth, I mean why would we ever want that shit legalized? Jail actually helps addicts reform themselves. It's one of the few times I actually agree with our justice system.
[QUOTE=scotland1;32375243]If people want to fuck up their lives then that's fine with me, as long as they don't hurt others.[/QUOTE] To that I say this, that if you want to purchase any drug, (Heroin, Cocaine, Weed, Tobacco) that when you do, you should be required to register as a regular user of the product. You have to show that your registered to purchase and use it, and then that way when you inevitably become fucked up you pay for your own recovery and not on the taxpayer's dime. That way it hurts nobody, taxes don't skyrocket due to health care and people can ruin their lives if they want. Also, an addiction to a drug does not qualify you for disability or any form of welfare, same goes for if you need a fix, you must pay for it yourself privately.
In my town, it's as if marijuana is already legalized. Nearly every kid I meet at school smokes pot and doesn't care if anyone knows. I see them posting on Facebook about how they smoked weed and all of their friends comment on it. I don't smoke marijuana or intend to, as I don't want lung damage. It's a personal choice. I do tend to see a connection between marijuana smokers and poor grades in my school, but I think that might just be an isolated incident. I suppose I'm pretty indifferent to it, but I think our current punishments for marijuana smokers and sellers are cruel. I'd like to see the decriminalization of it.
It's a very interesting subject. In my opinion drugs should be legalized because it's none of the government's business. Sure, drugs are bad, but in the end it all comes down to human rights: we should have the right to do anything we want with our own bodies, and if we so please to fuck our heads up by doing drugs, then that's our choice, not the government's. Laws are meant to stop people from doing things harmful to others or society, not to restrict people from making decisions regarding themselves and no one else. Now, some might say that if drugs were legalized everyone would start doing it, but that's just not true, is it? A lot of people would still not do drugs, just like a lot of people don't drink on a constant basis or smoke just because it's legal. Also, by having drugs be illegal people that wanna do them are forced to seek up the wrong type of people to get a hold of it. They are forced into a criminal life, and can't be protected from the people who sell them the stuff.
[QUOTE=Jocken300;33896301]It's a very interesting subject. In my opinion drugs should be legalized because it's none of the government's business. Sure, drugs are bad, but in the end it all comes down to human rights: we should have the right to do anything we want with our own bodies, and if we so please to fuck our heads up by doing drugs, then that's our choice, not the government's. Laws are meant to stop people from doing things harmful to others or society, not to restrict people from making decisions regarding themselves and no one else. Now, some might say that if drugs were legalized everyone would start doing it, but that's just not true, is it? A lot of people would still not do drugs, just like a lot of people don't drink on a constant basis or smoke just because it's legal. Also, by having drugs be illegal people that wanna do them are forced to seek up the wrong type of people to get a hold of it. They are forced into a criminal life, and can't be protected from the people who sell them the stuff.[/QUOTE] and on top of that, legalization could save lives. If drugs were sold through reputable vendors they wouldn't be cutting it with stuff that could harm people even more than the drugs. The drug wars in Mexico could also stop, since it's no longer a criminal thing to sell drugs. That would save lives and reduce other sorts of crimes.
Henry Rollins is straightedge and he thinks pot should be legal. That says a lot to me, it proves it's not just stoners saying it because they want to smoke in public although I would love to smoke it in public
Every last drug should be legal, and (mass) produced, and then lower the production should the demand plummet over time, as we'd expect. Why? This way at least government would benefit from "useless" junkie individuals. And mass production because then the drug dealers would have a hard time trying to compete with ridiculously low prices. (See caffeine, hundreds of grams for less than ten dollars, so why buy caffeine from a drug dealer? Apply that to other illegal drugs as well and ideally everyone benefits)
"I would say the legalization of all drugs would cut down on crimes." Perhaps they would but I'm sure about that but at least it would with marijuana. That's a fact. I can't recall the statistic for drug offenses arrests in 2010 but I think it was the over a third. Now remember private prisons profit from the number of inmates they accommodate. I believe that's why laws against marijuana are so strict and unforgiving. I don't see any other reason or explanation as to why they are so damn strict.
If the government really wanted to stop all of the illegal grow operations, just legalize it and it would put them out of business and stop wasting money with the DEA searching for them
Some drugs illegal for a reason and that reason is simply cause they are not healthy mentally or bodily... So why risk it? If your after a high go mountain biking or do something more constructive that can be equally rewarding for the body?
[QUOTE=Razors X Hunter;34100125]Some drugs illegal for a reason and that reason is simply cause they are not healthy mentally or bodily... So why risk it? If your after a high go mountain biking or do something more constructive that can be equally rewarding for the body?[/QUOTE] How about no? I should be able to smoke all the pot and drop all the ecstasy I want as long as I don't harm others or not fulfill my obligations.
[QUOTE=Razors X Hunter;34100125]Some drugs illegal for a reason and that reason is simply cause they are not healthy mentally or bodily... So why risk it? If your after a high go mountain biking or do something more constructive that can be equally rewarding for the body?[/QUOTE] Its not equally rewarding at all. Mountain biking is fun, but nowhere near as fun as drugs.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;34108164]Its not equally rewarding at all. Mountain biking is fun, but nowhere near as fun as drugs.[/QUOTE] That's a very ambigious thing to say and it sounds like you're trying to speak for everyone. Some people would find mountain biking fun (not myself included, I bloody hate it) and more rewarding than weed and vice versa. It's all personal preference.
Yea i should have added in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Razors X Hunter;34100125]Some drugs illegal for a reason and that reason is simply cause they are not healthy mentally or bodily... So why risk it? If your after a high go mountain biking or do something more constructive that can be equally rewarding for the body?[/QUOTE] so you want to control what others do for fun, just because you don't like it? That's not very nice. And speaking of not healthy bodily, do you know how bad you can hurt yourself mountain biking?
I don't like the idea of a government "regulating, producing and taxing" any kind of drug, it just seems wrong. It's like the government would be profiting off of the misery/poor health of others, such is the case of tobacco and probably would be the case for drugs such as crystal meth.
The government doesn't profit from tobacco the medical fees far outweigh the money they make from it so that argument doesn't really work.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;34125489]I don't like the idea of a government "regulating, producing and taxing" any kind of drug, it just seems wrong. It's like the government would be profiting off of the misery/poor health of others, such is the case of tobacco and probably would be the case for drugs such as crystal meth.[/QUOTE] I've never understood how people see things this way. I guess criminals should be making that money instead, using it to threaten everyone that doesn't agree with them? I understand and agree, the government shouldn't be too powerful, but them getting tax revenues and such from items like this seems far better than the alternatives. Also, drug use doesn't lead to that every time, it leads to that when it's uneducated, or someone doesn't respect the drug, but the horrible life styles that people get into isn't a result solely of drugs, it's of various things, generally lack of education about drugs or respect for the drugs or being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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