• Pro-Legalization vs Prohibition of "Drugs"
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[QUOTE=Stormcharger;34108164]Its not equally rewarding at all. Mountain biking is fun, but nowhere near as fun as drugs.[/QUOTE] The fun-feeling you get out of doing sports (mountain biking, playing football) is a lot more healthier fun/high than doing drugs. And you shouldn't be like "I'd rather smoke pot than go do sports." Though after sports or whatever to chill out for the evening, smoke pot, it's cool, healthy even.
In my opinion the fun feeling out of doing exercise is nowhere near as fun as drugs, it is healthier but not more fun at all. Not that I don't like exercise or anything, but its not comparable to drugs at all for me.
~drugs r bad mmkay
sports high and drug high is like apples and oranges for me, I don't really think it's a fair comparison at all.
Like a lot of other things, I don't care if you do drugs or not so long as it doesn't affect your job, the people around you or you for whatever reason try to talk me into doing it to.
All I'll say is, everything is good as long as it is in moderation. I believe that strictly. Too much of anything will wreck you, and I'll laugh at anyone who says they can persist off pot for the rest of their lives (not to sound arrogant). But still you could say to this argument that if someone is intolerant to a substance, that means EVERYONE should be banned from using it because that's not true. It's just about recognising whether you're going to become dependant on pot or not, and some people are and will fall to it at some point. Especially in this modern age, where pot is probably going to be laced with god knows what in it. Any arguments pertaining to the fact that it's a wonder drug and it can cure anything is just stupid. It won't singlehandedly save the American economy from collapsing (as an example argument I keep hearing), but at least it's progress. Note I'm not against legalisation at all, people can do whatever they want. I think the answer therein lies with reevaluating how the government sees drugs, but you know the government.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34126440]The fun-feeling you get out of doing sports (mountain biking, playing football) is a lot more healthier fun/high than doing drugs. And you shouldn't be like "I'd rather smoke pot than go do sports." Though after sports or whatever to chill out for the evening, smoke pot, it's cool, healthy even.[/QUOTE] Why can't you? Who says you can't? Why is it wrong to enjoy time in a different way? Why do you think you know best? [editline]10th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34155986]All I'll say is, everything is good as long as it is in moderation. I believe that strictly. Too much of anything will wreck you, and I'll laugh at anyone who says they can persist off pot for the rest of their lives (not to sound arrogant). But still you could say to this argument that if someone is intolerant to a substance, that means EVERYONE should be banned from using it because that's not true. It's just about recognising whether you're going to become dependant on pot or not, and some people are and will fall to it at some point. Especially in this modern age, [B]where pot is probably going to be laced with god knows what in it.[/B] Any arguments pertaining to the fact that it's a wonder drug and it can cure anything is just stupid. It won't singlehandedly save the American economy from collapsing (as an example argument I keep hearing), but at least it's progress. Note I'm not against legalisation at all, people can do whatever they want. I think the answer therein lies with reevaluating how the government sees drugs, but you know the government.[/QUOTE] No. That doesn't happen nearly as often as you think it does. It just doesn't. The market doesn't like it when that happens. People don't want to buy laced weed, dealers who lace weed get blacklisted and forgotten really easily, they don't get to persist like that. Word of mouth and reputation are all a dealer has, if a dealers rep is stained, he doesn't get business. I hate it when people say that happens as if it's common or regular. [editline]10th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Stormcharger;34126623]In my opinion the fun feeling out of doing exercise is nowhere near as fun as drugs, it is healthier but not more fun at all. Not that I don't like exercise or anything, but its not comparable to drugs at all for me.[/QUOTE] There's nothing similar to doing sports as their is to doing acid or doing DMT, or even rolling. There's no way to compare them. There's no reason to compare them.
Cuz were already SO responsible with the drug's were allowed to use! Let's circulate more!
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;34157558]No. That doesn't happen nearly as often as you think it does. It just doesn't. The market doesn't like it when that happens. People don't want to buy laced weed, dealers who lace weed get blacklisted and forgotten really easily, they don't get to persist like that. Word of mouth and reputation are all a dealer has, if a dealers rep is stained, he doesn't get business. I hate it when people say that happens as if it's common or regular.[/QUOTE] I didn't say it was a regular occurance at all, I said 'probably' if someone you're buying from is crooked but not known. I love how you got all technical with me about the nounces of dealers and such, like you know their motivations. I don't either. They could be in it for the money or spreading the love genuinely. Don't assume things and twist it around to make it look like I'm the bad guy. I just said it was a possibility, and you can't deny it happens.
There's things you don't realize about legalizing weed or keeping it illegal. There are so many hidden factors, that's why it's such a difficult choice to make. Marijuana itself is a safe drug, meaning using it isn't fatal, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have negative side effects. I would much rather have people smoking it rather than cigarettes, unfortunately one of the most annoying things about marijuana is the whole culture it has spawned. Legalizing it also isn't a crime stopper, if there's one less thing to enforce then there will obviously be less crime. Anyone who thinks the cartels would stop smuggling pot because it gets legalized must not realize what the cartels are. They are drug lords, they would just move to a harder drug. In a sense, it's probably best to keep it illegal because having them smuggle heroin/meth/etc would be far worse than just pot. If it becomes something companies sell, it will likely get the same treatment tobacco has gotten and be combined with many things to make it taste better/add more addictive properties and will become hazardous to your health. Marijuana as a medicine is a bit of a shamble. People are probably under the assumption that taking it will make them better, so they may get a bit of a placebo effect and trick themselves into feeling better. There is a lot of evidence that says it is a wonder drug, and an equal force that says it does absolutely nothing, both of which are probably highly biased.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;34157558]Why can't you? Who says you can't? Why is it wrong to enjoy time in a different way? Why do you think you know best?[/QUOTE] It's stupid to be like "since i can just rip a bong hit with ease i might as well not bother myself with sports" But I wouldn't say it's stupid to be like "I'd rather rip a bong hit than down a twelve-pack of beer."
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34158193]I didn't say it was a regular occurance at all, I said 'probably' if someone you're buying from is crooked but not known. I love how you got all technical with me about the nounces of dealers and such, like you know their motivations. I don't either. They could be in it for the money or spreading the love genuinely. Don't assume things and twist it around to make it look like I'm the bad guy. I just said it was a possibility, and you can't deny it happens.[/QUOTE] well as a dealer, I'll tell you that laced weed is pretty fucking stupid and a completely backwards concept. You're going out of your way and spending extra money to lace your ganj with something that the person buying won't like and will ultimately turn them away from you? All a dealer is doing there is wasting his own money, even if they are 'just in it for the money' it's a stupid idea to lace weed as it isn't cost effective at all. [editline]11th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SNAAAAAAAKE;34158551]There's things you don't realize about legalizing weed or keeping it illegal. There are so many hidden factors, that's why it's such a difficult choice to make. Marijuana itself is a safe drug, meaning using it isn't fatal, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have negative side effects. I would much rather have people smoking it rather than cigarettes, unfortunately one of the most annoying things about marijuana is the whole culture it has spawned. Legalizing it also isn't a crime stopper, if there's one less thing to enforce then there will obviously be less crime. Anyone who thinks the cartels would stop smuggling pot because it gets legalized must not realize what the cartels are. They are drug lords, they would just move to a harder drug. In a sense, it's probably best to keep it illegal because having them smuggle heroin/meth/etc would be far worse than just pot. If it becomes something companies sell, it will likely get the same treatment tobacco has gotten and be combined with many things to make it taste better/add more addictive properties and will become hazardous to your health. Marijuana as a medicine is a bit of a shamble. People are probably under the assumption that taking it will make them better, so they may get a bit of a placebo effect and trick themselves into feeling better. There is a lot of evidence that says it is a wonder drug, and an equal force that says it does absolutely nothing, both of which are probably highly biased.[/QUOTE] none of that is a solid argument against legalisation, though. 1. so what if you don't like the culture? There are cultures I don't like, I don't really like pot culture that much either, doesn't mean it should be criminalised 2. the cartels already deal in harder drugs, at least if we legalised weed we could take all the money spent on fighting that part of the war on drugs - I.E. the majority of the taxpayer money going into the narcotics wars - and aim the funding towards more serious drugs and drug rehabilitation 3. If there is even the tiniest chance that weed could have [I]any[/I] of the medicinal benefits it's reported to, the governments should be exploring it. And even if it is a placebo effect, if it's working, so what? If it's having an effect helping an MS sufferer get along with his life, is it really important if it's placebo or not? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jO_ncXj7RE&feature=player_detailpage#t=0s[/media] Imma just leave that there
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34159263]well as a dealer, I'll tell you that laced weed is pretty fucking stupid and a completely backwards concept. You're going out of your way and spending extra money to lace your ganj with something that the person buying won't like and will ultimately turn them away from you? All a dealer is doing there is wasting his own money, even if they are 'just in it for the money' it's a stupid idea to lace weed as it isn't cost effective at all.[/QUOTE] I'm perfectly happy to coincede my argument about the dealers thing if that's the ultimate majority case. Not that I was ever against the whole notion of legalisation anyway, I'm just saying you could get the occasional bad dealer who might screw you over somehow, just like any business.
I'm just saying he wouldn't be a dealer very long in that situation
[QUOTE]none of that is a solid argument against legalisation, though. 1. so what if you don't like the culture? There are cultures I don't like, I don't really like pot culture that much either, doesn't mean it should be criminalised 2. the cartels already deal in harder drugs, at least if we legalised weed we could take all the money spent on fighting that part of the war on drugs - I.E. the majority of the taxpayer money going into the narcotics wars - and aim the funding towards more serious drugs and drug rehabilitation 3. If there is even the tiniest chance that weed could have [I]any[/I] of the medicinal benefits it's reported to, the governments should be exploring it. And even if it is a placebo effect, if it's working, so what? If it's having an effect helping an MS sufferer get along with his life, is it really important if it's placebo or not? [/QUOTE] 1. I never said the culture should keep it criminalized, all I said was that it's annoying. 2. Well of course they deal in harder drugs, but they would be dealing even more hard drugs. I've even been a part of the war on drugs, I participated in a Marijuana Erad. Legalizing it would get the cartel's marijuana grow ops out of the US, which is a definite benefit, there are many people who are put in harms way for them to make some money. The grow op we found was a part of the cartel. Drug rehabilitation definitely needs more support, many of the people who want it can never get into a program. 3. The government can't really accept Marijuana as a medicine until it is lowered from a category 1 drug. I just think it's a little ridiculous to claim something is medicinal before there is even valid proof to validate it. Labeling something that is simply a placebo as "medicine" is irresponsible and misleading. It's great that it's helping that guy, but is it doing something that another real medicine could already do? Or should we just give him a sugar pill and tell him it will make him feel better?
I'd rather legalize all drugs, including the ones that can kill you. I know it sounds harsh, but I'd rather have the state earn money from taxes than a criminal getting it.
[QUOTE=Zacca;34173617]I'd rather legalize all drugs, including the ones that can kill you. I know it sounds harsh, but I'd [b]rather have the state earn money[/b] from taxes than a criminal getting it.[/QUOTE] :eng101:
I still have yet to find a better argument than: "I want to smoke weed so why don't you fuck off" [QUOTE=SNAAAAAAAKE;34173513] 3. The government can't really accept Marijuana as a medicine until it is lowered from a category 1 drug. I just think it's a little ridiculous to claim something is medicinal before there is even valid proof to validate it. [/QUOTE] Are you fucking retarded? What more proof do you want? We have tons of proof, we've been massing proof since the 1960's you goon. Marijuana is well-researched and well-documented and has been for decades. There are entire teams tasked by [b]the government[/b] to research it, and there have been [b]for decades[/b]. I mean, fuck, we've known LSD is harmless since Nixon was in office, what more do you fucking want? It's not an argument of proof at this point, it's an argument of politics. And the argument is "We don't want you to smoke pot". We've caught the government openly lying to the public for ages, and they got away with it because it reflected public opinion. The majority of the voting public considers that Cannabis should be legal in its entirety, but the government refuses to let that happen, and refuse to acknowledge medical marijuana even in light of said evidence. [quote] but is it doing something that another real medicine could already do? [/quote] You really don't understand the subject to such a degree that you're asking elementary questions. Had you done research, you'd have found the answer to that question.
[QUOTE=yuki;34252320]I still have yet to find a better argument than: "I want to smoke weed so why don't you fuck off"[/QUOTE] What makes you think that a "better" argument needs to be made?
[QUOTE=Comrade Lurker;34159345]I'm perfectly happy to coincede my argument about the dealers thing if that's the ultimate majority case. Not that I was ever against the whole notion of legalisation anyway, I'm just saying you could get the occasional bad dealer who might screw you over somehow, just like any business.[/QUOTE] You're much more likely to get a loaded bag, one filled with sand or similar kind of things, very rarely do people lace weed.
I think recreational drugs should be legalized, for the following reasons: 1. The whole war on drugs thing is the government trying to stop stupid people from doing stupid things. What, exactly, is the point in that? If some stupid crack-head wants to risk burning their house down making loads-o meth, let them. Except that wouldn't be a problem if meth were legal, because then meth production would be taken over by big companies that know what they're doing. 2. I wanna buy decongestant with pseudoephedrine in it without limits on how much/when I can buy it. Most people buy the stuff because they're stuffy, not to make frikkin' meth. 3. Drug-related violence and theft will pretty much disappear. 4. Legitimate businesses will get the money instead of cartels and crime lords and such. 5. Addicts will be more willing to admit that they fucked up and need to go into rehab if there isn't a risk of getting arrested for it, and thus more addicts will go into rehab. 6. Getting high will only hurt you if it hurts anyone (directly). Unless you do so while driving, but that's true of beer as well, which is totally legal. 7. Given the above points, is there anything morally wrong about doing recreational drugs? How about morphine? And what about caffeine, alcohol and tobacco? If it's a health thing, should we prohibit foods with too much fructose in them? I don't know a whole lot about drugs, but I've studied prohibition before, and legalizing most/all recreational drugs would in all likelihood do more good than bad, overall.
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;34252787]What makes you think that a "better" argument needs to be made?[/QUOTE] Thats what he was saying
If everyone decided to go get fucked up on drugs think about the procrastination and lazyness.
[QUOTE=gk99;34265017]If everyone decided to go get fucked up on drugs think about the procrastination and lazyness.[/QUOTE] But why would that ALL of a sudden happen? Drugs being legal doesn't change the availability or the desire to do them, so why would this happen? It wouldn't.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34158772]It's stupid to be like "since i can just rip a bong hit with ease i might as well not bother myself with sports" But I wouldn't say it's stupid to be like "I'd rather rip a bong hit than down a twelve-pack of beer."[/QUOTE] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/runners_high.png[/img]
I'd like marijuana to remain prohibited as i'd prefer not to be raped by taxes and have to leave my home to procure it.
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