• Pro-Legalization vs Prohibition of "Drugs"
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[QUOTE=dajoh;32376702]Legalize it, it's my body, I should be able to take drugs and destroy my body if I want to.[/QUOTE] What are your thoughts on my post? [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1126403?p=32375783&viewfull=1#post32375783[/url]
I agree with Gurant; the soft drugs should be legalised and regulated like all the other accepted drugs (booze & baccy) with "recommended weekly dosage" guidelines to [B]advise[/B] people not to take too much, but the hard drugs should either stay out or be very strongly regulated, like with mandatory limits on max consumption in a certain timeframe (aka only X grams of coke a month) and readily-available rehab programs, almost like an Atkins for Heroin. BUT, that really nasty flesh-rotting Krok-of-shit needs to be utterly destroyed.
The thing about hard drugs is though, if you legalize it, it will destroy cartels, crime will go down, but then again more people will have the freedom to consume it, heroin is not good for you AT ALL, there's NOTHING positive about heroin, NOT ONE THING On the other hand, if it stays illegal, cartels will still sell it and crime will continue
Softer drugs should be legalized and regulated like alcohol and tobacco is these days. Altough I'm against the harder life-wrecking drugs being legalized.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;32376820]The thing about hard drugs is though, if you legalize it, it will destroy cartels, crime will go down, but then again more people will have the freedom to consume it, heroin is not good for you AT ALL, there's NOTHING positive about heroin, NOT ONE THING On the other hand, if it stays illegal, cartels will still sell it and crime will continue[/QUOTE] I'd like to direct you to this post: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1126403?p=32375582&viewfull=1#post32375582[/url] I think it should be a rule that you must read the whole thread before making a post here. Various people throughout the thread have mentioned cases where decriminalization lowers the negative effects of hard drugs on the population.
I don't think that all drugs should be legal, I do however think that schools should educate people about the real dangers and benefits of drugs.
LSD, Psilocybin, Mescaline(and other shit in that range), and MDMA deserve to be legalized far more than marijuana does.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;32377243]LSD, Psilocybin, Mescaline(and other shit in that range), and MDMA deserve to be legalized far more than marijuana does.[/QUOTE] Why? I don't see any problems in having the above legalized, but what makes LSD more prone to be legalized than weed? I know friends who've become batshit insane (one of them permanent insane) because they weren't careful enough with the drug. What makes those more worthy to be legalized? I'm not against your opinion, I'm just curious why you think so.
Legalize all drugs. There will always be drug dealers, and if you only regulate the soft drugs, they will make people use harder drugs just because they are the only products they can sell.
[quote]Cocaine as a local anesthetic Cocaine was historically useful as a topical anesthetic in eye and nasal surgery, although it is now predominantly used for nasal and lacrimal duct surgery. The major disadvantages of this use are cocaine's intense vasoconstrictor activity and potential for cardiovascular toxicity. Cocaine has since been largely replaced in Western medicine by synthetic local anesthetics such as benzocaine, proparacaine, lignocaine/xylocaine/lidocaine, and tetracaine though it remains available for use if specified. If vasoconstriction is desired for a procedure (as it reduces bleeding), the anesthetic is combined with a vasoconstrictor such as phenylephrine or epinephrine. In Australia it is currently prescribed for use as a local anesthetic for conditions such as mouth and lung ulcers. Some ENT specialists occasionally use cocaine within the practice when performing procedures such as nasal cauterization. In this scenario dissolved cocaine is soaked into a ball of cotton wool, which is placed in the nostril for the 10–15 minutes immediately prior to the procedure, thus performing the dual role of both numbing the area to be cauterized and also vasoconstriction. Even when used this way, some of the used cocaine may be absorbed through oral or nasal mucosa and give systemic effects. In 2005, researchers from Kyoto University Hospital proposed the use of cocaine in conjunction with phenylephrine administered in the form of an eye drop as a diagnostic test for Parkinson's disease.[71][/quote] [quote]Medical use Main article: Medical cannabis Cannabis used medically does have several well-documented beneficial effects. Among these are: the amelioration of nausea and vomiting, stimulation of hunger in chemotherapy and AIDS patients, lowered intraocular eye pressure (shown to be effective for treating glaucoma), as well as general analgesic effects (pain reliever).b[›] Less confirmed individual studies also have been conducted indicating cannabis to be beneficial to a gamut of conditions running from multiple sclerosis to depression. Synthesized cannabinoids are also sold as prescription drugs, including Marinol (dronabinol in the United States and Germany) and Cesamet (nabilone in Canada, Mexico, the United States and the United Kingdom).b[›] In 2011, an oromucosal spray for Multiple Sclerosis patients became licensed for use as a medicine from the European regulatory body, allowing it to be routinely prescribed by doctors.[18] Currently, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has not approved smoked marijuana for any condition or disease in the United States, largely because good quality scientific evidence for its use from U.S. studies is lacking; however, a major barrier to acquiring the necessary evidence is the lack of federal funding for this kind of research.[19] Regardless, fourteen states have legalized cannabis for medical use.[20][21] The United States Supreme Court has ruled in United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Coop and Gonzales v. Raich that it is the federal government that has the right to regulate and criminalize cannabis, even for medical purposes. Canada, Spain, The Netherlands and Austria have legalized some form of cannabis for medicinal use.[22][/quote] [quote]Medical use Under the chemical name diamorphine, diacetylmorphine is prescribed as a strong analgesic in the United Kingdom, (heroin)[/quote] [quote]Cluster headaches LSD has been used as a treatment for cluster headaches, an uncommon but extremely painful disorder. Researcher Peter Goadsby describes the headaches as "worse than natural childbirth or even amputation without anesthetic."[31] Although the phenomenon has not been formally investigated, case reports indicate that LSD and psilocybin can reduce cluster pain and also interrupt the cluster-headache cycle, preventing future headaches from occurring. [/quote] The banning of drugs is a political token for western leaders, nothing more.
[QUOTE=valkery;32375693]I actually am in very strong favor of audio file drugs. None of the side effects of doing drugs (long term anyway) and they get you just as high. The only problem with them is the fact that you can hurt your ears. Pretty low consequence to being high all the time.[/QUOTE] Try meth on i-doser, then try the real thing. Come back when you're smarter.
It would be good for pot, extascy, and acid to be legal, but only in the highest grade to reduce negative side effects. Not to mention we won't have to spend hundreds of billions for constantly hunting down people that deal them.
I'm afraid there is no other way than to control it. I mean, make it all legal. Having the government squeezing money out of the drug consumers, and using it for hopefully a good cause like they always do.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;32375332]It's kind of a lost battle isn't it? If you keep it banned, it will be dealt by criminals who'll make money off it and possibly move onto serious crimes, and if you legalize it you run the risk of people starting abusing the drug.[/QUOTE] People already abuse alcohol, tobbaco, caffeine, and prescription pills, alcohol and pills can be just as deadly as meth and cocaine. Heroin is still probably the deadliest.
Then what about the times drugs were legal? Think about the million ofopium addicts the British Empire had to deal with, hell they even waged war because of the money they got from that.
[QUOTE=Gurant;32377345]Why? I don't see any problems in having the above legalized, but what makes LSD more prone to be legalized than weed? I know friends who've become batshit insane (one of them permanent insane) because they weren't careful enough with the drug. What makes those more worthy to be legalized? I'm not against your opinion, I'm just curious why you think so.[/QUOTE] valid reason. i'll post actual sources in a second, but i'd like to start with a personal thing first. i'm not cannabis should stay illegal, i'm saying that prohibition of afformentioned(even though its bs in general) drugs is less sensible then the already nonsensical pot prohibition. my reasoning stems from the populace that uses cannabis. pot makes many people lazy and stupid. not everyone though, but i know if i smoke a blunt right now, i can kiss doing anything productive later in day goodbye. not only that, but anyone can assimilate into the pot culture. you have stupid kids who abuse the shit out of it, others who use it as a status symbol, and others who make a lifestyle out of it. this doesn't go for everyone, but i hate seeing irresponsible people do drugs, and usually 7/10 it's weed(don't count alcohol here). nat geo documentary on history, status, and benefits of LSD: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2s9vgAKqFM[/url] LSD is shown to help with addictions of various things like alcohol and tobacco, and while it doesn't help everyone, it has a record of helping a good number of users: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/23/lsd-ecstacy-health-benefits[/url] even though its wikipedia, there's some good shit to read here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide[/url] LSD helps treat cluster headaches. it's also told in the documentary: [url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/10/14/the-psychedelic-solution.html[/url] of course LSD is a powerful drug and shouldn't be taken lightly, but it has it's extreme ups. after a recent trip, i feel quite different. nothing too large, but i've began to appreciate more things in life, as well(for some reason) lose much interest in video games. people should really research this drug. i know i mentioned other drugs but i only have a personal experience with LSD and therefore feel i have to 'defend' it.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;32377560]People already abuse alcohol, tobbaco, caffeine, and prescription pills, alcohol and pills can be just as deadly as meth and cocaine. Heroin is still probably the deadliest.[/QUOTE] What is this based off? I'm pretty sure it is harder to overdose on the common alcohol than on cocaine.
Legalizing drugs would sure bring lot's of money to governments, happiness to people because they can get high quality drugs cheap and crime goes down.
[QUOTE=Killuah;32377587]Then what about the times drugs were legal? Think about the million ofopium addicts the British Empire had to deal with, hell they even waged war because of the money they got from that.[/QUOTE] What about miami in the end of the 70's and the early 80's? It was illegal then but if you ask a person from that time and place if they did cocaine, they would mostly answer yes. Not to mention all the drug money the dealers make, killing, stabbing other drug dealers just for some paper.
its a bummer i dont think cannabis is ever gonna become legal
[QUOTE=dannass;32377698]What about miami in the end of the 70's and the early 80's? It was illegal then but if you ask a person from that time and place if they did cocaine, they would mostly answer yes. Not to mention all the drug money the dealers make, killing, stabbing other drug dealers just for some paper.[/QUOTE] The opium war and the Opium-Caves are well documented historical facts whereas your example is based of what evidence?
The government have confessed helping Mexican border jumpers smuggle various drugs into the united states by the way. [editline]19th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;32377755]The opium war and the Opium-Caves are well documented historical facts whereas your example is based of what evidence?[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXJZpjjDmco[/media] Watch that documentary.
I think every drug should be legalized, but regulated Non-addicting drugs like weed and mushrooms should just be regulated to the point that you cant use them in public places Addicting drugs should be regulated so they basicly keep count on how much you buy, if you buy alarming amounts then you probably require some help And proper education, of course
[QUOTE=Killuah;32377624]What is this based off? I'm pretty sure it is harder to overdose on the common alcohol than on cocaine.[/QUOTE] Note that he said "can be just as deadly as meth or cocaine", not that it's easier to overdose on alcohol than it is to with cocaine. Also, alcohol withdrawal is worse than with most substances as a result of the onset of [I]delirium tremens[/I]. For this reason it should be said that alcohol isn't any safer to be addicted to than another drug like cocaine.
I agree with legalizing marijuana in limited doses to regular folks above 18 and maybe some other soft drugs...Since it's effect doesn't really hurt anyone,but drugs that change your behavior to a more aggressive/schizophrenic or harming to others in general should remain banned.
[QUOTE=ironman17;32376747]I agree with Gurant; the soft drugs should be legalised and regulated like all the other accepted drugs (booze & baccy) with "recommended weekly dosage" guidelines to [B]advise[/B] people not to take too much, but the hard drugs should either stay out or be very strongly regulated, like with mandatory limits on max consumption in a certain timeframe (aka only X grams of coke a month) and readily-available rehab programs, almost like an Atkins for Heroin. BUT, that really nasty flesh-rotting Krok-of-shit needs to be utterly destroyed.[/QUOTE] Krokodil was only ever used duo to shortage of heroin.
I can honestly careless what people put in their bodies. You wanna pierce a needle in your arm? Be my guest. [media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u59-PoxbwE&feature=related[/URL][/media] Whenever someone states, 'Prohibition stops drugs in Supply and Demand!' show them that video for me. Sure some of the facts might be off, but hell it's pretty straight too the point.
the government should have no say in what an individual does with their own body i dont understand how some people dont understand that concept
Legalize marijuana, shrooms, and LSD. Keep the rest illegal. [QUOTE=Rediscover;32379539]the government should have no say in what an individual does with their own body i dont understand how some people dont understand that concept[/QUOTE] The Government will always have a say, Governments are made for control over individuals.
[QUOTE=znk666;32378787]I agree with legalizing marijuana in [B]limited doses[/B] to regular folks above 18 and maybe some other soft drugs...Since it's effect doesn't really hurt anyone,but drugs that [B]change your behavior to a more aggressive/schizophrenic or harming to others in general should remain banned.[/B][/QUOTE] 1. what would be the point of limiting the amount someone can buy of a non-addictive, [I]relatively[/I] safe drug? 2. name one drug that would cause something like that. and dont say PCP.
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