• Pro-Legalization vs Prohibition of "Drugs"
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Legalize already, I'm sick of buying my weed off a bunch of shifty Russians.
I wouldn't mind legalization of weed but I don't like the idea of cocaine, meth, and heroin being legalized.
Legalize all of it.
Everything should be legalized, you can't pick and chose which ones aren't. We all have the right to do what we please with our bodies, as long as it does not harm others.
Legalize. We throw the real bad people OUT of jail just to put in the innocent people that use marijuana.
I think the main agenda in this legalization case should be the gangs. And how do you get rid of the gangs? Regulate and distribute instead of making this black market for people to run their shit the way they want. It doesn't work, and it will never work.
[QUOTE=Killuah;32377624]What is this based off? I'm pretty sure it is harder to overdose on the common alcohol than on cocaine.[/QUOTE] No, it's actually pretty easy to OD on alcohol, I know people that have died from it after drinking not that much of it(in comparison to heavy drinkers), it depends on how effecient your body is at breaking alcohol down.
I say legalize everything and let people decide for themselves. Plus, if hard drugs are legalized, things like heroin and meth would probably be much more refined and not as dangerous as their street counterparts. And as long as people are educated about it properly too, syringe hygiene and such.
[QUOTE=Killuah;32377755]The opium war and the Opium-Caves are well documented historical facts whereas your example is based of what evidence?[/QUOTE]Opium was forced on the Chinese. And besides, the Qing Dynasty actually did ban opium. It was being smuggled into their country by money-grubbing British merchants just like drugs are smuggled into the US today.
legalize and regulate weed to the same extent as alcohol and cigarettes. Decriminalize most others and get some fucking rehab for those who need it.
[QUOTE=_Twitch_;32375582]I think all drugs should be decriminalized, but the public should be PROPERLY educated about them. The money we spend on fighting drugs now could be spent fighting drug addiction and educating the public about safe usage and what can [i]really[/i] kill you. Portugal's decriminalization of drugs had an amazing effect. [url=http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization]Source[/url] In America we'd also have the benefit of taking revenue away from the Mexican drug cartels. Overall, I think that decriminalization would be the best path for any country to take in truly protecting its people from drugs.[/QUOTE] This makes sense, I assume it's alot easier to fight an addiction if you can talk openly about it.
[QUOTE=_Twitch_;32376886]I'd like to direct you to this post: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1126403?p=32375582&viewfull=1#post32375582[/url] I think it should be a rule that you must read the whole thread before making a post here. Various people throughout the thread have mentioned cases where decriminalization lowers the negative effects of hard drugs on the population.[/QUOTE] It doesn't really matter, it's still illegal.
Less people would die from legalized drugs since it would be moderated, you wouldnt be buying stuff thats potentially been cut with poison. It would cost more since itd be taxed to fuck but thats fine by me. Less gang wars over who gets to deal where. Of course some things should never be legalized, like heroin or meth, thats just bad. Weed is a definate yes. Look at holland, thats hardly a country in ruins with muggings every day. I am a bit floaty on MDMA being legal since sometimes its done me good and sometimes its fucked me up royally. But that could be down to who was around me at the time, and because it was bought off a complete stranger so it could have had anything in it.
Legalising heroin would be great, buying stocks in the companies would be a great investment.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;32380664]It doesn't really matter, it's still illegal.[/QUOTE] Illegalism is just an action taken by the State in order to restrict an item or commodity. It doesn't matter what anyone else says, I can do what I want to my body as long as I don't hurt another human being.
[QUOTE=scotland1;32375243]If people want to fuck up their lives then that's fine with me, as long as they don't hurt others.[/QUOTE] Liberaterian bro-fist.
If we accept that a person has a right to their own body, then we should accept that they have the right to commit suicide. It would be unjust for anyone to stop them through use of force. Granted this, all drugs should be legal. To look at it this way, and law prohibiting suicide is claiming right your body and is threating force against you. By the same manner, all laws that prohibit you from doing harm to your own body should be null and void. It should of course be argued that the user should be made aware of the risks regarding certain products. That is self explanatory. Where I've gotten a bit lost in this is whether trade of drugs used for the death penalty should be available. So far my thoughts are no, but that's just because I haven't thought it out.
As I see it, drugs with a low risk of lethality, long or short term, should be totally legalized with light control (such as controlled retail, with sale to people of a certain age and up...say, 15?). Things like pot. The drugs that carry a moderate health risk in the short term should be legalized to a point and controlled heavily, such as restrictions of sale to certain people (history of addiction being first and foremost in my mind). Drugs that carry a long term health risk and/or immediate severe risk should not necessarily be legalized but not kept illegal either. If people want to do it, that's they're choice, as are the consequences, but the government will not endorse nor prohibit their usage. At least, not unless it's absurdly dangerous.
All drugs legalized. Not the government's problem if you go and get wasted on the street. Let's not waste money on it. Rehab should probably get some funding though.
I don't think PCP should be legal as it can cause people to be a danger to others.
[QUOTE=Kayl;32376610]Legalize all drugs. Prohibition policy doesn't work; if people want it, they'll get their hands on it. The drug cartels in Mexico and Central America have created massive empires based on it. [b]Marijuana costs more than gold, per ounce[/b] and that's only because it's a prohibited resource. There are rehab facilities available for people who need help. But legalize drugs so markets can compete pricing, and drug cartels will lose most of their revenue. Look at the lessons we learned from Alcohol Prohibition in the 1920s. Prohibiting these substances leads to violent and powerful organized crime. They corrupt politicians and they end up controlling everything. There are more deaths in the drug war in Mexico than the combined casualty count of Iraq AND Afghanistan put together.[/QUOTE] please stop talking out of your ass an ounce of some good weed is around 200 USD, an ounce of gold is 1,812 USD
[QUOTE=Whitebowl;32381919]please stop talking out of your ass an ounce of some good weed is around 200 USD, an ounce of gold is 1,812 USD[/QUOTE] around where i live in the UK its fucking expensive and difficult to find a dealer, so an ounce can be anywhere near £400ish still not more than gold though
[QUOTE=Bobie;32382124]around where i live in the UK its fucking expensive and difficult to find a dealer, so an ounce can be anywhere near £400ish still not more than gold though[/QUOTE] If it is so expensive why not secretly grow some? My mother used to do this and the police never really gave a shit when they came round.
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;32381719]Rehab should probably get some funding though.[/QUOTE] What obligation do I have to help out someone who acts voluntarily? [QUOTE=carcarcargo;32381765]I don't think PCP should be legal as it can cause people to be a danger to others.[/QUOTE] Depends on the dosage. The same argument can be made about alcohol as well, and again, the main factor is the dosage.
Drugs smell bad, and people who are "high" annoy me. I'm against it because it'd just be annoying to see half my class thinking they're kites or some shit.
It depends. I think that weed should have a legal age of over 18, and be treated like smoking is now: No smoking in school or inside public places which have a certain sign up. Heroin is simply addictive and destructive, there is no debating that. That should stay illegal. Ecstasy (MDMA) should not be legal as well, it's more of a prescription drug than anything and can have some pretty crazy effects on your brain. It's a bit iffy with this one, though, as some studies show it can be slightly bad for you to horrible. Cocaine is a pretty bad drug too, and is shown to give you heart attacks, but so does excessive amounts of Caffeine...
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;32382409]Drugs smell bad, and people who are "high" annoy me. I'm against it because it'd just be annoying to see half my class thinking they're kites or some shit.[/QUOTE] i hope this post is a joke because you obviously are talking out of your ass and have no idea how drugs work legalization would not create more users of the drug, because if they were going to do it they already would, legalization would not suddenly spark the urge to go hit up a joint. if anything it would do the opposite, i doubt all the kids that smoke to be ~cool~ would continue to smoke if suddenly it was socially acceptable
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;32382409]Drugs smell bad, and people who are "high" annoy me. I'm against it because it'd just be annoying to see half my class thinking they're kites or some shit.[/QUOTE] Quite the argument, people should conform to what makes you comfortable.
I think if drugs were legalized and moderated, it would stop these 14 year olds from doing stupid shit that can kill you just to get high, like huffing. Meanwhile they can go smoke a joint, no one is harmed
if marijuana was legal it would not be available to 14 year olds
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