[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32382278]If it is so expensive why not secretly grow some? My mother used to do this and the police never really gave a shit when they came round.[/QUOTE]
a mate of mine around the corner does this, but we save it all for once a year where we all smoke up in a night. madness tengs
[QUOTE=Fata;32375235]Debate about your Pro-legalization vs Prohibition..
I would say the legalization of all drugs would cut down on crimes.
Now how about you?[/QUOTE]
If drugs get legalized, expect prices to rise through the roof.
[QUOTE=dass;32382925]If drugs get legalized, expect prices to rise through the roof.[/QUOTE]
Has this occurred in Portugal to a large extent?
[QUOTE=dass;32382925]If drugs get legalized, expect prices to rise through the roof.[/QUOTE]
why?
Company's can mass produce to such an extent that even with high taxes drug prices should go down
[QUOTE=Pepin;32381456]If we accept that a person has a right to their own body, then we should accept that they have the right to commit suicide. It would be unjust for anyone to stop them through use of force. Granted this, all drugs should be legal.
To look at it this way, and law prohibiting suicide is claiming right your body and is threating force against you. By the same manner, all laws that prohibit you from doing harm to your own body should be null and void.
It should of course be argued that the user should be made aware of the risks regarding certain products. That is self explanatory.
Where I've gotten a bit lost in this is whether trade of drugs used for the death penalty should be available. So far my thoughts are no, but that's just because I haven't thought it out.[/QUOTE]
Personally I don't see anything wrong in one person having the right to kill himself. Why must everyone be alive? I doubt that many people that have killed themselves would be better off living. It's egoistic to tell someone that they can't kill themselves.
[QUOTE=valkery;32375693]I actually am in very strong favor of audio file drugs. None of the side effects of doing drugs (long term anyway) and they get you just as high.
The only problem with them is the fact that you can hurt your ears. Pretty low consequence to being high all the time.[/QUOTE]
They're fake placebo
If I gave you sugar water on a tab of paper, told you it was acid, and you believed me, you'd get high.
[editline]19th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;32382409]Drugs smell bad, and people who are "high" annoy me. I'm against it because it'd just be annoying to see half my class thinking they're kites or some shit.[/QUOTE]
It's not something I personally want and have no good reason against it, it should be illegal
[QUOTE=Gurant;32375566]Legalize everything. Every person has the right to do exactly what they want with their bodies.
And legalization will kill the black market for drugs, a market we so often hear "funds terrorism, crime and murder".[/QUOTE]
Yup, that's about it. Government has no right to dictate what people do with their bodies.
[QUOTE=zzzZZZZ;32383437]Yup, that's about it. Government has no right to dictate what people do with their bodies.[/QUOTE]
But here's where I find issue, are you also willing to say that a person has full right to commit suicide and that there should be no laws forbidding it. I'm hoping you say yes, but so many people say no.
Regardless if you agree with abortion or not, if you ever hear the "a woman has a right to their body" argument, make sure they also believe that they believe that a woman has a right to commit suicide. A woman obviously does not have a right to her body if she can't take her own life.
[QUOTE=Pepin;32383666]But here's where I find issue, are you also willing to say that a person has full right to commit suicide and that there should be no laws forbidding it. I'm hoping you say yes, but so many people say no.
Regardless if you agree with abortion or not, if you ever hear the "a woman has a right to their body" argument, make sure they also believe that they believe that a woman has a right to commit suicide. A woman obviously does not have a right to her body if she can't take her own life.[/QUOTE]
On that same principle anti-suicide laws are unfair. The "life" in "life, liberty, and property" isn't saying it's the government's right or responsibility to maintain those things unconditionally, only to ensure that people have individual control and ownership of them.
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;32375281]Legalize "low-level" drugs, such as marijuana, but regulate them.
I'd rather not like to see the future generation(s) grow up on pot.[/QUOTE]
Implying your parents didn't.
[editline]19th September 2011[/editline]
Probably didn't*
[QUOTE=scotland1;32375514]Legalising one but not all is kind of silly.[/QUOTE]
Cannabis doesn't harm anybody. Heroin and crystal meth does. So what you said is kind of silly.
Prohibition of anything is pretty dumb. It prevents people that will use the banned substance(s) for beneficial purposes, and people that will use it for bad will do it regardless of weather its legal or not. Many innocent people are caught in the crossfire. Also, people that distribute the substance(s) will no longer have a market if drugs are legalized. Not to mention a fuck-ton of money is used to enforce these laws.
[editline]19th September 2011[/editline]
Who are we to say what someone wants to do to their body anyway?
I think most, if not all, drugs should be legalized. The harder drugs like PCP and meth should be heavily regulated though
I'm for regulated legalization of marijuana (make the laws similar to beer laws, with commercial and non-commercial licenses). Harder drugs is where it gets hazy with me.
It's hard for me to say that methamphetamines should be legalized.
[QUOTE=Glitch360;32387082]I think most, if not all, drugs should be legalized. The harder drugs like PCP and meth should be heavily regulated though[/QUOTE]
Fucking this. Very heavily regulated, but not illegal.
you give a drug to an insecure person(or anyone who had issues before taking drugs), they can make any drug look bad. meaning dont always trust the way drugs work by looking at the outside
[QUOTE=fenwick;32387094]It's hard for me to say that methamphetamines should be legalized.[/QUOTE]
Why? Give me some reasons so I can sway you.
[QUOTE=Glitch360;32387082]I think most, if not all, drugs should be legalized. The harder drugs like PCP and meth should be heavily regulated though[/QUOTE]
I think they shouldn't be any less available, but chances are that if all drugs are legalized, people will be doing better drugs. Though I've heard good things about meth.
[QUOTE=spawny;32387108]meaning dont always trust the way drugs work by looking at the outside[/QUOTE]
Especially Ambien. Most people fall asleep with that stuff, but if you don't, it's just kind of like, what the heck.
[QUOTE=Pepin;32387519]Why? Give me some reasons so I can sway you.
I think they shouldn't be any less available, but chances are that if all drugs are legalized, people will be doing better drugs. Though I've heard good things about meth.
[/QUOTE]
Because selling harder drugs is like selling poison except slower acting and a lot more addictive. I don't know if you can administer a safe dosage that still has enough of a effect that people desire without being addictive.
[QUOTE=fenwick;32387094]I'm for regulated legalization of marijuana (make the laws similar to beer laws, with commercial and non-commercial licenses). Harder drugs is where it gets hazy with me.
It's hard for me to say that methamphetamines should be legalized.[/QUOTE]
Why? You think there's any shortage of people doing them now? There's not. You think there will be more afterwards? No. That's not how it works. Why would everyone go out and jump on the bandwagon of a drug that they KNOW is a one time addiction with serious health risks? That seems strange to me. It's always the anti legalization argument. Every time.
I think that arguments wrong because when you look back at prohibition, more people drank and more establishments provided alcohol then, than any other point in time in at least a few cities. But once it was over with, alcohol abuse dropped huge amounts. Why would it be the opposite now? Why would that be the case now?
No one has trouble getting their hands on meth now as it is. There will be far more trouble getting your hands on it if it was legalized and regulated even slightly. I can walk down the street, go 3 blocks, and find a meth dealer, literally. And this is a nice part of town. I'd have considerably more trouble buying meth once it's legalized and regulated and you have to go through a process.
[QUOTE=Rediscover;32382655]i hope this post is a joke because you obviously are talking out of your ass and have no idea how drugs work
legalization would not create more users of the drug, because if they were going to do it they already would, legalization would not suddenly spark the urge to go hit up a joint. if anything it would do the opposite, i doubt all the kids that smoke to be ~cool~ would continue to smoke if suddenly it was socially acceptable[/QUOTE]
I don't really know all that much about drugs, I never really wanted to get involved with them in any way. I realize I was exaggerating in my last post, but I'm positive that if it was legalized it would become very popular
[QUOTE=Pepin;32382736]Quite the argument, people should conform to what makes you comfortable.[/QUOTE]
Twisting my words a bit. I was really just stating my opinion; I don't like the way it smells, I don't like the way people act when using it. If it was legalized but just kept inside homes or to certain areas or something of the sort, fine by me, but it bothers me otherwise. It feels taboo.
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;32383144]It's not something I personally want and have no good reason against it, it should be illegal[/QUOTE]
But it's something (you?) want and you have no good reason to continue to use it other then to make yourself feel better, thus it should be legal? Sort of a flat counter-argument there. Again, I've never wanted anything to do with drugs, I've avoided them and the people who use them my entire life. Yes, I am biased, but that's how I've held my views on drugs like weed and I want to keep holding onto them.
I don't have the best arguments, but I just felt like sharing my opinion. Sorry it was so poorly received.
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;32388378]Because selling harder drugs is like selling poison except slower acting and a lot more addictive. I don't know if you can administer a safe dosage that still has enough of a effect that people desire without being addictive.[/QUOTE]
This is silly. Selling cigarettes is a hard poison but we do it every day and we endorse it as a society. Selling meth? That will NEVER equal the deaths and the addictions and pain of cigarettes.
It has nothing to do with addiction, even drugs that have physically addictive qualities about them are not 100% going to cause an addiction. The user of the drug should be well educated about the effects and side effects of any drug including addiction.
How does having them illegal do this? The drugs are STILL being sold, and in record numbers might I add.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;32388463]I don't really know all that much about drugs, I never really wanted to get involved with them in any way. I realize I was exaggerating in my last post, but I'm positive that if it was legalized it would become very popular[/QUOTE]
Why? this didn't happen at any other point in history. In fact, drug use before the drug war was lower than it is now by massive numbers not even dealing with population. Drug use has statistically increased a few hundred percent in 50 years and nothing we've done has slowed that in any way. Post prohibition, alcohol did not see a surge in popularity, it saw a falling of popularity as well as the mafia significantly downsizing.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;32388463]Twisting my words a bit. I was really just stating my opinion; I don't like the way it smells, I don't like the way people act when using it. If it was legalized but just kept inside homes or to certain areas or something of the sort, fine by me, but it bothers me otherwise. It feels taboo.[/QUOTE]
So you don't like the way all drugs smell? That's silly. There's so many drugs you don't smoke. Hell, I can make a list if you'd like, but smell is the least of your worries with drugs. Drugs being such a vast term, you really have to narrow what you mean please. I don't think people want to get it legalized so that it's okay to smoke on a public road anymore than it is to drink on a public road. Also, taboo means nothing in reality if you ask me.
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If this woman smoked cannabis on a regular basis, then why can't we?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32381003]Legalising heroin would be great, buying stocks in the companies would be a great investment.[/QUOTE]
And it's the perfect idiot-cull.
[QUOTE=fenwick;32388682]And it's the perfect idiot-cull.[/QUOTE]
People act like heroin is the most damaging drug ever. You do know it's less physically destructive than alcohol, right?
The problems with heroin entirely come from the lifestyle that you eventually have to take on to support it. Rich people who do heroin live fine.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32388462]Why would everyone go out and jump on the bandwagon of a drug that they KNOW is a one time addiction with serious health risks? That seems strange to me.[/quote]
Does everybody know and believe this? No. People are stupid and make bad decisions. And yes, I think sometimes the state needs to make these decisions for people, especially not-so-obvious mistakes that can quickly lead to problems.
[quote]I think that arguments wrong because when you look back at prohibition, more people drank and more establishments provided alcohol then, than any other point in time in at least a few cities. But once it was over with, alcohol abuse dropped huge amounts. Why would it be the opposite now? Why would that be the case now? [/quote]
You can't compare alcohol prohibition and drug prohibition that closely. Alcohol was deep within American culture, PCP isn't
[quote]No one has trouble getting their hands on meth now as it is[/quote]
Wrong. I know a guy who can't even get his hands on pot.
[quote]There will be far more trouble getting your hands on it if it was legalized and regulated even slightly. I can walk down the street, go 3 blocks, and find a meth dealer, literally. And this is a nice part of town. I'd have considerably more trouble buying meth once it's legalized and regulated and you have to go through a process.[/QUOTE]
What type of process do you suggest?
[QUOTE=Gurant;32383044]Personally I don't see anything wrong in one person having the right to kill himself. Why must everyone be alive? I doubt that many people that have killed themselves would be better off living. It's egoistic to tell someone that they can't kill themselves.[/QUOTE]
Because society imvested in you.
Those in favor of legalization like to say things like "people can get all the drugs they want now". However, for people like me, who have to get a job in the near future, people who really can't afford to get arrested, or just live in different areas, the law can be an actual deterrent from drugs.
[QUOTE=fenwick;32388722]Does everybody know and believe this? No. People are stupid and make bad decisions. And yes, I think sometimes the state needs to make these decisions for people, especially not-so-obvious mistakes that can quickly lead to problems.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so lets imagine they don't know. They're all clearly going to jump on it, right? How about we look at countries where they've gotten close to drug legalization. Portugal for instance. [quote]Portugal has arguably the most liberal laws concerning possession of illicit drugs in the Western world. In 2001 Portugal decriminalized possession of effectively all drugs that are still illegal in other developed nations including, but not limited to, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and LSD. While possession is legal, trafficking and possession of more than "10 days worth of personal use" are still punishable by jail time and fines. People caught with small amounts of any drug are given the choice to go to a rehab facility, and may refuse treatment without consequences. Despite criticism from other European nations, who stated Portugal's drug consumption would tremendously increase, overall drug use rose only slightly, whilst use among teenagers dropped, along with the number of HIV infection cases, which had dropped 50% by 2009.[25][26][/quote]
Now, if we're to imagine by any means, that the legalization of drugs would see the whole sale permentant rise to drug use, then what exactly do you suggest? Are you aware that criminilization of all drugs has raised drug use by an exponential amount?
[QUOTE=fenwick;32388722]You can't compare alcohol prohibition and drug prohibition that closely. Alcohol was deep within American culture, PCP isn't[/QUOTE]
This helps your argument how? If it was so entrenched in american society, then alcohol use after legalization would have risen, not fallen. By your argument, drugs are less entrenched, so therefore drug use would fall afterwards, yes?
[QUOTE=fenwick;32388722]
Wrong. I know a guy who can't even get his hands on pot.[/QUOTE]
Well, they're clearly the most resourceful of people. Your guy may not know anyone who can find him weed, but that's his fault. Trust me, there's more drugs around you then you'd ever realize.
[QUOTE=fenwick;32388722]
What type of process do you suggest?[/QUOTE]
I suggest something similar to other legalization processes in the world. I also ask you, what do you suggest in the face of rising drug use, growing drug wars, increasingly tougher laws doing jack shit to stop the actual fight, spiraling misinformation about drugs and drug use as well as the amount of problems simply stemming from having a drug illegal, creating criminals out of people who aren't because of some "moral conception".
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Killuah;32388742]Because society imvested in you.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but they don't own you. I'm a huge fan of the idea of social contracts and how we're all inter-invested and connected, but that doesn't go quite as far as them being able to say "oh, you want something like control of your own life? Nooooope.".
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=fenwick;32388785]Those in favor of legalization like to say things like "people can get all the drugs they want now". However, for people like me, who have to get a job in the near future, people who really can't afford to get arrested, or just live in different areas, the law can be an actual deterrent from drugs.[/QUOTE]
Okay, it's a deterrent for a few people. I still have to get a job, and being arrested would kill my career. Yet, because of how easy drugs are to get, I can safely get them without being found.
Why are you in favour of keeping drugs illegalized when they create gang warfare and create crime but achieve nothing in the way of being a prohibition...?
All I said was that I was on the fence about the legalization of hard drugs.
You don't need to jump on me and ask me about what I think should be done, I essentially said "I don't know".
[QUOTE=fenwick;32388807]All I said was that I was on the fence about the legalization of hard drugs.[/QUOTE]
Then I'm asking you, what benefit is there of keeping them illegal?
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