• Pro-Legalization vs Prohibition of "Drugs"
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[QUOTE=lukepker;32503122]Morphine. (Morphine is Heroin by the way) And you've been arguing the same thing over and over again.[/QUOTE] Heroin is a modified version of morphine so that it can get into the brain easier thus making it more addictive. Morphine is used often in hospitals and the like where as heroin is not. Even so, people can find themselves addicted to morphine because of this treatment.
[QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32503734]I get the feeling hardly any of the people posting in this thread know anyone who are using or have had to grow up with parents addicted to heroin or crack... At least when they are illegal many people refuse to take them... every time I post I get some smart answer but if I am wrong then someone tell me a success story regarding addiction to illegal drugs, how in anyway it benefited their life?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rubs10;32455063]Hard drug usage decreases when they're legalized. [URL]http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/67[/URL] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguments_for_and_against_drug_prohibition#Deterrence[/URL] [URL]http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/6/999.abstract[/URL] [URL]http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/07/05/ten-years-after-decriminalization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;32503778]Oh my god man, you don't quit. I'll post again when I think of how to answer this.[/QUOTE] dont even bother replying because I dont care what you have to say, none of what we say in here even matters anyway so fuck it im out!
[QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32504407]dont even bother replying because I dont care what you have to say, none of what we say in here even matters anyway so fuck it im out![/QUOTE] Why the fuck did you even come here to debate.
[QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32504407]dont even bother replying because I dont care what you have to say, none of what we say in here even matters anyway so fuck it im out![/QUOTE] You're not really suited to this debating business are you?
[QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32501632]I can only speak of my own experience and I have never seen any good come from taking drugs so I cant see why they should be made legal.. also anyone that could begin using and getting heavily addicted to heroin is already a weaker person than me anyway.[/QUOTE] Because making them illegal doesn't work. Because not all drug users and drug addicts are bad people. Also, no, their not. Your absolute ignorance doesn't change who these people are. Drug users are not bad people because they use drugs. [editline]27th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;32503178]Does anyone actually know someone that does Heroin or Crack with responsibility?[/QUOTE] Yeah. I do know a responsible heroin user. They're more common than you'd think. I know more responsible drug users than i do alcoholics. [editline]27th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32504407]dont even bother replying because I dont care what you have to say, none of what we say in here even matters anyway so fuck it im out![/QUOTE] You're clearly not smart enough to know what the fuck a debate is, let alone debate the issue. [editline]27th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32503734]I get the feeling hardly any of the people posting in this thread know anyone who are using or have had to grow up with parents addicted to heroin or crack... At least when they are illegal many people refuse to take them... every time I post I get some smart answer but if I am wrong then someone tell me a success story regarding addiction to illegal drugs, how in anyway it benefited their life?[/QUOTE] The Beatles The Rolling Stones Led Zepplin Bill Hicks George Carlin Doug Stanhope Hunter S Thompson Hey, I can keep going, or you can start tossing your music, art, film, tv, and video game collection away. All of that, that all had drugs involved in it. Also, I'm an ex heroin addict and I'm heavily involved in the entertainment industry so, jog on? [editline]27th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jabberwocky;32503976]Heroin is a modified version of morphine so that it can get into the brain easier thus making it more addictive. Morphine is used often in hospitals and the like where as heroin is not. Even so, people can find themselves addicted to morphine because of this treatment.[/QUOTE] Morphine is [U]very[/U] addictive on its own, and yet its still available.
Also, you really would not want to tax addictive drugs. That is because the demand curve of addictive drugs is very steep, meaning that any tax imposed would be mostly paid by the consumer. The business doesn't suffer much at all which is much the case with the tobacco industry. For whatever reason many people don't realize this, and they also don't realize a market high very high demand is willing to accept higher prices. A policy of high taxation would not be one that would discourage use, but rather one that would punish people who become addicted.
[QUOTE=Pepin;32509030]Also, you really would not want to tax addictive drugs. That is because the demand curve of addictive drugs is very steep, meaning that any tax imposed would be mostly paid by the consumer. The business doesn't suffer much at all which is much the case with the tobacco industry. For whatever reason many people don't realize this, and they also don't realize a market high very high demand is willing to accept higher prices. A policy of high taxation would not be one that would discourage use, but rather one that would punish people who become addicted.[/QUOTE]Then set an excise tax on the distributers/producers and make a price cap for them.
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[QUOTE=lukepker;32503122]Morphine. (Morphine is Heroin by the way) And you've been arguing the same thing over and over again.[/QUOTE] Morphine is not heroin man, heroin is synthesized from morphine. You can make poppy seed tea which has morphine and codeine in it so im pretty sure if morphine was heroin poppy seeds would be completley banned. [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] Poppy seed tea is awesome by the way :v:
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32503178]Does anyone actually know someone that does Heroin or Crack with responsibility?[/QUOTE] I know at least 2 people who smoke meth occasionally (at least once a month) and both have university degrees. Not sure what your opinion of responsible is, but I'd say that their drug habits aren't really a problem. [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32501632]I can only speak of my own experience and I have never seen any good come from taking drugs so I cant see why they should be made legal.[/QUOTE] Francis Crick discovered the double helix structure of DNA while tripping on LSD.
Great, then allow drugs in scientific purpose, but then ofcourse one would have to define scientific purpose.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32503178]Does anyone actually know someone that does Heroin or Crack with responsibility?[/QUOTE] I know people who have used heroin and meth responsibly
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32520355]Great, then allow drugs in scientific purpose, but then ofcourse one would have to define scientific purpose.[/QUOTE] Prohibited substances are already allowed for research purposes (like medical or chemistry). Unless you're suggesting that we should legalise drugs so that people can have new ideas while tripping. In that case, have it so that you need a phD to take illicit drugs. This will herald in a new age of enlightenment.
What I really don't get is that as far as I know it is legal for an individual to posess lethal substances like arsenic or cyanide, but it's illegal to posses harmless stuff like cannabis. What's up there?
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;32520468]Prohibited substances are already allowed for research purposes (like medical or chemistry). Unless you're suggesting that we should legalise drugs so that people can have new ideas while tripping. In that case, have it so that you need a phD to take illicit drugs. This will herald in a new age of enlightenment.[/QUOTE] No and this is stupid. What? Smart people can't get addicted to drugs? Horseshit. Just make them legal.
[QUOTE=Octave;32510902]Then set an excise tax on the distributers/producers and make a price cap for them.[/QUOTE] Same issue. And price controls can only make things worse.
[QUOTE=Bang2Rights;32501632]I can only speak of my own experience and I have never seen any good come from taking drugs so I cant see why they should be made legal.. also anyone that could begin using and getting heavily addicted to heroin is already a weaker person than me anyway.[/QUOTE] Live the life of a heroin addict and see if you're really that much stronger than them. I've talked to a lot of heroin addicts and every single one of them use it because of something traumatic that had happened to them. Why can't we just help those people instead just throwing them in jail and say they are weak scum?
Why is alcohol legal in the us but marijuana isn't? Because they can't tax it. Same reason GE makes nuclear weapons and owns the media, they censor and disallow any bad things against their company. It's all about money.
Prohibition in America as always worked and has never lead to any crimes.
[QUOTE=dannass;32570762]Live the life of a heroin addict and see if you're really that much stronger than them. I've talked to a lot of heroin addicts and every single one of them use it because of something traumatic that had happened to them. Why can't we just help those people instead just throwing them in jail and say they are weak scum?[/QUOTE] Definitely their 'punishment' should be to be forced into rehab, but for the government to be able to do so there has to be a law for it. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=LauScript;32575886]Why is alcohol legal in the us but marijuana isn't? Because they can't tax it.[/QUOTE] Because illegalising alcohol is impossible. It's socially accepted by probably close to 100% of the population in any west-world developed country and used by perhaps 50% or more.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32578513]Definitely their 'punishment' should be to be forced into rehab, but for the government to be able to do so there has to be a law for it. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] Because illegalising alcohol is impossible. It's socially accepted by probably close to 100% of the population in any west-world developed country and used by perhaps 50% or more.[/QUOTE] And illegalizing drug use isn't? I hate this argument, it's horseshit. Other drugs are very strongly ingrained in almost all western societies, whether you know it or not. And the difficulty of getting those drugs removed is very simi- Wait, it's exactly the same as criminalizing alcohol.
legalize everything and then ban or raise the price of alcoholic drinks by like 150% (people under the influence of alcohol are a much higher danger to others than people under the influence of other drugs) Also America is afraid to legalize weed coz it makes people lazy, something they don't want in their capitalist world.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32582310]And illegalizing drug use isn't? I hate this argument, it's horseshit. Other drugs are very strongly ingrained in almost all western societies, whether you know it or not. And the difficulty of getting those drugs removed is very simi- Wait, it's exactly the same as criminalizing alcohol.[/QUOTE] Heroin, crack, LSD used as much as alcohol? Don't think so.
Legalize all drugs other than the ones that can instantly kill you / give you a debilitating addiction the first time. Have the government produce, regulate, and tax them.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32586196]Heroin, crack, LSD used as much as alcohol? Don't think so.[/QUOTE] Who said used as much? It's just as ingrained though. What? You don't think those drugs are responsible for a lot of media and don't you find it strange how many popular musicians, artists of any sort really, have used them for years and influenced the rest of us? I don't give a shit about if they're "used as much" because frankly, you'd be surprised by how much they are used, but what is important to note is that no matter how you look at it, those things have had a serious cultural impact.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;32586295]Legalize all drugs other than the ones that can instantly kill you / give you a debilitating addiction the first time. Have the government produce, regulate, and tax them.[/QUOTE] If someone can kill themselves slowly, what is the issue when themselves choosing to do so quickly? And what is the issue with someone accepting an addiction? As long as there is an implicit contract that by consuming this product you will suffer addiction, why shouldn't the person be free to become addicted if they so choose? What good does having the government produce the goods do? Sounds like someone wants high prices. What kind of regulations. What kind of taxes? Sin taxes? I've already explained the issue with sin taxes up above, but given the scenario, I don't think it makes sense for the government to tax something they produce.
Depending on the amount of damage a drug does, it should be legalized. The sentence for possession of a drug should not be more harmful than the drug itself.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Banana;32616412]Depending on the amount of damage a drug does, it should be legalized.[B] The sentence for possession of a drug should not be more harmful than the drug itself.[/B][/QUOTE] I can't quite figure this out. You sentence people to time and fines, I don't see where harm comes in. Unless you're suggesting the person be punished according to a lesser health effect of the drug. Judge: For doing way too much caffeine, you have been sentenced to pass half a kidney stone I suppose it would work, sounds like a pretty odd suggestion though. I wouldn't support it personally.
[QUOTE=Fata;32375235]Debate about your Pro-legalization vs Prohibition.. I would say the legalization of all drugs would cut down on crimes. Now how about you?[/QUOTE] Legalize Psychedelic Mushrooms. Tried it, felt as if I was in heaven. Got me back on track on life, and I now finnaly understand what its all about. I used to smoke weed almost everyday, until I took shrooms now I hardly need any drugs to keep me happy and going. Plus it'd solve all the worlds problems. Also legalize marijuana. Only ignorant people will say things like this is bad, people have been brainwashed since day 1 on Earth. Lol sucks =/
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