While we're at it, we're also sorry for Hitler. If he wasn't a straight white male, none of that crap would've happened.
Who cares it's just melanin
Would you just LOOK at all these upsetted white men!! ^^^^^
What the fuck is going on in here.
OP what have you done?
[QUOTE=Kentz;44779847]but white people did pretty much single handedly build western civilization... it's not inaccurate[/QUOTE]
Them arabs certainly contributed a bit
Honestly can't tell whether this is a joke or not.
That's pretty scary. I'm leaning to the joke side of things, though.
i personally am not sorry
I hate all straight white cis men
this thread is all over the place
oh my god people slow down
Please don't apologize for being White, straight, and cis because I wouldn't apologize for being bi-racial and pansexual.
Apologizing for how you're born has to be the biggest waste of breath on the planet.
[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;44781273]Please don't apologize for being White, straight, and cis because I wouldn't apologize for being bi-racial and pansexual.
Apologizing for how you're born has to be the biggest waste of breath on the planet.[/QUOTE]
But but we're the fault of discrimination and racism and... sorry.
I never understood the concept of apologizing for something you never did. It's like Germany and their nazi guilt. Yeah nazis were bad, but Germany is not nazi and isn't doing nazi things(I hope), so why should they feel sorry for it?
You should only be sorry for being a cis male if you actively engaged in discrimination. Otherwise if you feel sorry about nothing you're an idiot.
[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;44779223]I apologize for nothing.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much my position on it. I haven't had any part in oppressing another minority so everyone who expects me to feel guilty for slavery can suck it.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44781304]But but we're the fault of discrimination and racism and... sorry.
I never understood the concept of apologizing for something you never did. It's like Germany and their nazi guilt. Yeah nazis were bad, but Germany is not nazi and isn't doing nazi things(I hope), so why should they feel sorry for it?
You should only be sorry for being a cis male if you actively engaged in discrimination. Otherwise if you feel sorry about nothing you're an idiot.[/QUOTE]
That's not really the point behind any of the social justice movements (unless you enjoy listening to idiots or extreme parts of the movement, everyone else distances themselves because they're dumb as fuck). They don't expect white straight males to apologise for being white or anything, just to at least realise "hey, you've got a chance in this world, you're granted so much more mobility, be aware and maybe contribute to fixing that". Never has any movement but the weird fringes that have no impact put forward the idea that white people should feel guilty.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44781384] "hey, you've got a chance in this world, you're granted so much more mobility, be aware and maybe contribute to fixing that"[/QUOTE]
From what I've seen, this is the most civil way I've ever seen it put, usually it's a lot more hostile which makes it hard to sympathize with a movement
[QUOTE=Mr.95;44781470]From what I've seen, this is the most civil way I've ever seen it put, usually it's a lot more hostile which makes it hard to sympathize with a movement[/QUOTE]
A lot of the people here in particular are getting fed up of having to explain the most simple concepts of the social justice movements to the same few posters every damn thread they start shit in to try and avoid mis-information and general stawmanning of the movements being accepted as the truth.
After a while it really starts to get tiring, so I'm sure you can see why they tend to be quite aggressive sometimes.
[QUOTE=Magman77;44779372]As usual, fixating on a discrimination only exacerbates it. :v:[/QUOTE]
"people who point out racism are the real racists"
[QUOTE=RobbL;44781088]Them arabs certainly contributed a bit[/QUOTE]
arab values which contributed to the western world prior to the renaissance was heavily influenced by the greeks
but ye it's still true though
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[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44781578]"people who point out racism are the real racists"[/QUOTE]
Actually that is occasionally the case, in America (I've mentioned this before) this woman with the shittiest attitude came up to me and called me racist for wearing Nike Air Force One's, I don't remember what she said exactly, pretty convoluted but it was something to do with black urban youth in Harlem or some shit and how I was appropriating their style, when it was [I]her[/I] associating Nike footwear with black people
Most people point who out racism are legit I guess, but some people point out trivial stuff and put entire groups of people in boxes and conjecture individuals to feel better about themselves
[QUOTE=Untouch;44781123]i personally am not sorry[/QUOTE]
i think it's odd that people are running around on the internet apologizing to people of other races because they think they're better. sounds pretentious as fuck.
"uhh yeah sorry, Ahab. It's just so great up here being white and living in America. Bet it kinda sucks in your position. [i]Sorry[/i]"
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[QUOTE=hexpunK;44781499]A lot of the people here in particular are getting fed up of having to explain the most simple concepts of the social justice movements to the same few posters every damn thread they start shit in to try and avoid mis-information and general stawmanning of the movements being accepted as the truth.
After a while it really starts to get tiring, so I'm sure you can see why they tend to be quite aggressive sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is forcing you to reply.
Also lol @ maxofstds post
Only thing I'd be sorry for is creating a society that has it so good social justice warriors can exist.
[QUOTE=avincent;44781800]Nobody is forcing you to reply.
Also lol @ maxofstds post[/QUOTE]
idk. Letting morons and bigots run free sounds like a pretty shit alternative to me. At least attempting to educate guys on the thing they're unreasonably angry about might make some kind of change (if they aren't completely stuck up their own ass anyway).
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44781384]"...be aware and maybe contribute to fixing that".[/QUOTE]
We should do away with the lower standards set for white people and "White Quotas" set up governments and businesses.
[QUOTE=J!NX;44781213]this thread is all over the place
oh my god people slow down[/QUOTE]
The breaks aren't working.
We're gonna crash.
All my great grandfathers served in the Wehrmacht
And they had high fucking ranks this shit is amazing
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44781954]We should do away with the lower standards set for white people and "White Quotas" set up by society.[/QUOTE]
I'm not even sure what the hell you're getting at here. It's not that we have "lower standards" for white guys, it's that we expect minorities to be exceptional if they want to do the same thing a white guy does. Or do it for less return in the case of how we use LEDCs. White people are expected to have the skills needed for their job, minorities are either expected to have even more skills, or work for less, or just outright ignored (there have been studies into hiring practices for minorities based on name alone if I recall, "ethnic sounding" names usually get passed over in favour of "white sounding" names).
I know this is going to go straight through one ear and out the other with you though, it always does.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;44781362]That's pretty much my position on it. I haven't had any part in oppressing another minority so everyone who expects me to feel guilty for slavery can suck it.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, it's not my fault or problem and if someone's going to antagonize me about it I'll just laugh in their faces.
[QUOTE=Laputa;44781790]Actually that is occasionally the case, in America (I've mentioned this before) this woman with the shittiest attitude came up to me and called me racist for wearing Nike Air Force One's, I don't remember what she said exactly, pretty convoluted but it was something to do with black urban youth in Harlem or some shit and how I [/QUOTE]
That has nothing to do with the meaning behind his fallacious argument.
If you went back 60 years in time, would you tell the anti-apartheid people "guys, stop focusing on the fact that there's a 'white' and a 'negro' drinking fountain! you are only making it worse by pointing it out!" ?
Do you think the results of the civil rights movement could have been reached if people just "stopped making race an issue" which basically equates to "let's just ignore it" ?
Sure, it's great for educated people to say "hey let's stop talking about race and race will cease to be an idea that exists", there will always be bigoted people who will pass down from generation to generation racist ideas. The only way you can stop that happening is through awareness.
So, no let's not just ignore the issues we have as a society... which includes the fact that if you're not white you have almost no social mobility and can't pull yourself up by your own bootstraps in any way whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44781954]We should do away with the lower standards set for white people and "White Quotas" set up governments and businesses.[/QUOTE]
Lets fix Affirmative Action and put it on a per-need basis first.
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