• White Guys: "We Suck and We're Sorry"
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[QUOTE=hexpunK;44782384]And nobody is trying to guilt you in to thinking you've oppressed others. We have to explain this Every. Fucking. Thread. [B]No, instead just recognising "hey, I have it easier than minorities, I should be aware of that and not treat them like shit when they get put down" is progress enough. [/B]When a black guy with the right skills isn't hired because an equally skilled white guy is about, don't straight away blame the black guy for not trying hard enough for example.[/QUOTE]I already do this, and I wouldn't straight away blame a black guy for not trying hard enough. [QUOTE=G-Strogg;44782442]First of all, not be American. So you're good. Live life.[/QUOTE]Are you an idiot? That's a comment I would expect on Youtube, not so much here. [QUOTE=G-Strogg;44783006]Same asians you enslaved to build the railways that helped build your country? [editline]11th May 2014[/editline] Nice way of saying thanks.[/QUOTE]Why are you saying "you" as if he personally enslaved them? Why do people always do this? WE didn't enslave anyone, it was our ancestors that did it. Was it terrible? Of course it was. Should the descendants of slave owners and railroad owners be help accountable for their ancestors actions? Fuck no, because it wasn't our fault that they did what they did so quit acting like it was our fault. You come off as really anti-American and frankly it's annoying and says a lot about what kind of person you are.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44782384]And nobody is trying to guilt you in to thinking you've oppressed others. We have to explain this Every. Fucking. Thread. No, instead just recognising "hey, I have it easier than minorities, I should be aware of that and not treat them like shit when they get put down" is progress enough. When a black guy with the right skills isn't hired because an equally skilled white guy is about, don't straight away blame the black guy for not trying hard enough for example.[/QUOTE] read what milkandcooki said you can't say "no one" when someone explicitly does say it.
[QUOTE=Killer900;44783419]I already do this, and I wouldn't straight away blame a black guy for not trying hard enough. Are you an idiot? That's a comment I would expect on Youtube, not so much here. Why are you saying "you" as if he personally enslaved them? Why do people always do this? WE didn't enslave anyone, it was our ancestors that did it. Was it terrible? Of course it was. Should the descendants of slave owners and railroad owners be help accountable for their ancestors actions? Fuck no, because it wasn't our fault that they did what they did so quit acting like it was our fault.[/QUOTE] You as in "americans". But fine, even though I thought it obvious I meant ye olde days. But my real point here is that Americans recently started using the word "white" when to describe oppression, even though most of it stems from the US, that's why you have affirmative action etc in the first place. So when I watch a video of white american duders telling me that I should too be sorry for how I was born I just can't take it seriously. The US is legitimately exporting it's racial guilt onto the rest of the world, and expects it to comply and understand.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;44783521]You as in "americans". But fine, even though I thought it obvious I meant ye olde days. But my real point here is that Americans recently started using the word "white" when to describe oppression, even though most of it stems from the US, that's why you have affirmative action etc in the first place. So when I watch a video of white american duders telling me that I should too be sorry for how I was born I just can't take it seriously. The US is legitimately exporting it's racial guilt onto the rest of the world, and expects it to comply and understand.[/QUOTE] I would say everything you said is just purely assumptive bullshit but you seem to be pretty sure that you're right.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44783532]I would say everything you said is just purely assumptive bullshit but you seem to be pretty sure that you're right.[/QUOTE] Because whenever this topic is brought up it's just "white people" and not a limit? If that's the case use a more narrow term than just "white people".
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;44783521]You as in "americans". But fine, even though I thought it obvious I meant ye olde days. But my real point here is that Americans recently started using the word "white" when to describe oppression, even though most of it stems from the US, that's why you have affirmative action etc in the first place. So when I watch a video of white american duders telling me that I should too be sorry for how I was born I just can't take it seriously. The US is legitimately exporting it's racial guilt onto the rest of the world, and expects it to comply and understand.[/QUOTE] Its not about feeling sorry because you are white. Its about acknowledging a lack of perspective on inequality, because being white means that you generally face less negative inequality. The whole thing about 'being sorry' is using that lack of perspective to inadvertently reinforce racist or sexist aspects of society. Being white in and of itself isn't the issue, the lack of perspective that generally comes with being white (at least in america) is the issue.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;44783521]You as in "americans". But fine, even though I thought it obvious I meant ye olde days. But my real point here is that Americans recently started using the word "white" when to describe oppression, even though most of it stems from the US, that's why you have affirmative action etc in the first place. So when I watch a video of white american duders telling me that I should too be sorry for how I was born I just can't take it seriously. [B]The US is legitimately exporting it's racial guilt onto the rest of the world, and expects it to comply and understand.[/B][/QUOTE]I'm American and I'm not doing that, and frankly I think the people in the video are being silly. We should all recognize that people were assholes throughout history, but not the just white people. Blacks were assholes to each other, asians were assholes to each other, and even whites were assholes to each other. But yeah we should also recognize that whites generally have it easier than other races when it comes to certain things.
I think being proud of your race is silly to begin with but it seems like white people have to feel guilty and ashamed while other racial/ethnic groups can be as proud as they want. [QUOTE=Cone;44782091]i mean just listen to yourself. you're literally saying that affirmative action is on par with racial segregation and stripping minorities of their civil rights.[/QUOTE] Its an analogy about treating people differently.Treating people the same without any consideration for their racial or ethnic background is how you achieve equality. Affirmative action programs and quotas make race a factor that people are forced to acknowledge . Instead of improving the colored fountain, abolish it and treat people as equals. [QUOTE=acds;44782582] Then when the African who actually had top marks gets out of uni and gets fucked over, because now there is an actual basis to say that Asians and Caucasians are worth more since they were held to higher standards to achieve the same, so now Africans are viewed as even less employable and prejudice against them is magnified.[/QUOTE]
My advice to everyone in this argument is to stop trying to define a term that only exists in the lazy pop-dictionary of social media and informal discussion, ignore videos like this, and take it upon yourselves to better define who is involved in oppression by actually studying it and shit
[QUOTE=Killer900;44783604]I'm American and I'm not doing that, and frankly I think the people in the video are being silly. We should all recognize that people were assholes throughout history, but not the just white people. Blacks were assholes to each other, asians were assholes to each other, and even whites were assholes to each other.[/QUOTE] Never said you did, but it's problematic when the people in the vid go "we white guys are sorry" as if they can speak for every white guy.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;44783628]Never said you did, but it's problematic when the people in the vid go "we white guys are sorry" as if they can speak for every white guy.[/QUOTE]Ok then you should do the same in regards to Americans then.
[QUOTE=Killer900;44783675]Ok then you should do the same in regards to Americans then.[/QUOTE] I guess you got me there. I'm glad we understand each other at least.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;44783685]I guess you got me there. I'm glad we understand each other at least.[/QUOTE]It's up to us to make this world a better place and clean up the bullshit mess the previous generations will leave behind, one way of doing that is for us all to stop being assholes to each other, and getting rid of nationalistic stereotypes.
man this video is dumb but everyone against it seems to be against it for even dumber reasons
Thos video is white genocide
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1c25wJp48[/media]
[QUOTE=Evi.tf;44779878]we did because we had the resources to do so, in other parts of the world they didn't. Our skin color is irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Depends. Skin colour is irrelevant of course, but humans in different parts of the world have adapted to their local environmental conditions. Human evolution especially sped up since the advent of agriculture.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44783608]Its an analogy about treating people differently.Treating people the same without any consideration for their racial or ethnic background is how you achieve equality. Affirmative action programs and quotas make race a factor that people are forced to acknowledge . Instead of improving the colored fountain, abolish it and treat people as equals.[/QUOTE] the analogy is blatantly fucking stupid. a black guy getting a regular job he's perfectly qualified for isn't racial segregation or anything at all like it. for the analogy to even begin to work we have to be giving them different jobs than white people would get. the fact that you keep trying to force a connection between the two because you can't handle the idea that a historically disadvantaged minority might still have some leftover problems is almost as ridiculous as it is sad. or do you just think that "the colored fountain" makes what you're saying sound more compelling?
[QUOTE=acds;44782582] I just wish the US kept their civilization decadence phase to themselves and didn't try to spread it all over the world.[/QUOTE] *squints* *looks at avatar* *looks at steam account*
[QUOTE=Killer900;44783604]I'm American and I'm not doing that[/QUOTE] The problem isn't people like you; the problem is Americentric social justice, activists from the US that assume that other countries are held to the same standard as the US. It erases the issues of the unique problems that people face.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44777163][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jtRzeDQ.png[/IMG] those people are both sad and disturbing (and factually inaccurate)[/QUOTE] When people say stuff like "White people invented the modern world, the world owes us a lot" everyone says its factually inaccurate and untrue, but could someone please just give me some examples why?
[QUOTE=HerrWolf;44788056]When people say stuff like "White people invented the modern world, the world owes us a lot" everyone says its factually inaccurate and untrue, but could someone please just give me some examples why?[/QUOTE] It isn't. Well, Arabs had a part in it, and Asians somewhat too, but not the lion's share.
On the subject of the video, how on earth is being afraid to walk alone at night at all exclusive to anybody? Being wary of your surroundings when you are alone in the dark seems like common sense to me.
[QUOTE=Rufia;44788565]On the subject of the video, how on earth is being afraid to walk alone at night at all exclusive to anybody? Being wary of your surroundings when you are alone in the dark seems like common sense to me.[/QUOTE] Pfft, do you know nothing? At night, the female emits a highly magnetic pheromone, which has been known to attract knives, bullets, and even cars. This is the leading cause of female death worldwide, right behind accusations of misandry, and just the general idea of sports.
[QUOTE=Jackald;44788651]Babylonians and Mesopotamians invented the groundwork for modern mathematics, the Chinese were (unless i'm mistaken) the forefathers of explosives. Funfact, the Romans even invented steam engines, but they didn't have the materials to scale them up and they were largely used for children's toys.[/QUOTE] Yeah, they did. Same way all big civilizations contributed in some way to the ones after. However, that does in no way mean that the modern world as we know it (by that I mean inventions such as most of our electronics, or medicine) was not made in vast majority by "whites" (Caucasians), especially in the last 500 years. Doesn't mean it isn't attributed to the West, same way a Chinese scientist's discovery of an important gene isn't attributed to Mendel. And yeah, Romans even used nanotechnology (specifically on a cup to make it take on a different colour depending on light direction), though if and how much they understood about the workings of it I don't know (probably not much). Either way saying that what we consider the modern world isn't made overwhelmingly by the west is factually incorrect. Didn't actually think people had that idea either, same way nobody argues that Australian aboriginals made the Chinese dynasties or something. Guess you learn something new every day. [editline]12th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=niel12_5D;44785520]*squints* *looks at avatar* *looks at steam account*[/QUOTE] *unsheathes katana*
Yes, when you stretch the definition of "western" far enough that Russia's included (ironically making it northern, really) and you define "building the modern world" as "who made the most inventions that we in the west use in the last couple centuries" then yes the west built the modern world. Even then most of these things aren't possible without immigrant or foreign labor. And finally, our friend with the suspicious Nazi iconography slapped on "the world owes us a lot" which is just blatantly stupid, both ethically and practically. In the third world they owe us for the guns that make killing each other easier. They don't exactly have our best technological conveniences.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44790549]Yes, when you stretch the definition of "western" far enough that Russia's included (ironically making it northern, really) and you define "building the modern world" as "who made the most inventions that we in the west use in the last couple centuries" then yes the west built the modern world. Even then most of these things aren't possible without immigrant or foreign labor. And finally, our friend with the suspicious Nazi iconography slapped on "the world owes us a lot" which is just blatantly stupid, both ethically and practically. In the third world they owe us for the guns that make killing each other easier. They don't exactly have our best technological conveniences.[/QUOTE] Quite sure all this is about race, so yeah we'd be talking Caucasians in which case yes, it includes Russia and even down to northern Iran. You could make the argument about owing to immigrants for every civilization, and it's still a very small part that is done by immigrants anyway, you could also make the argument the same argument for the negative side if you so wish. As for the world owing "us" a lot: Do they? Well, since people are so hellbent on telling Caucasians what they did as negative, then it's only right that remember what we did positive. You want to make it about race? About Caucasians vs everyone else? Alright, in that case, thank us (since we are so quick to bunch up all whites for the crimes, then I'm gonna go ahead and bunch myself up for the achievements too) for most modern medicine, for the means of communication with which you spread your racism, and for being allowed to say this without losing your head in the first place. I don't want to make it about race, I don't go around telling people I am better because of what people of my race did. These people on the other hand, make it fully about race. So no, if you start bunching me up with every other Caucasian I won't turn the other cheek and say thank you, I'll tell you to fucking thank me for being able to live in this cushy society. I'm not going to have someone tell me I somehow have the crimes of everyone being genetically close to me (how close? Who knows!) on my shoulders and should be ashamed, and be expected to be fine with it. I've NEVER heard a Caucasian tell any one of another race to thank him for the modern world (not unless someone first tried to race guilt him anwyay), on the other hand I hear it every time with the bullshit about apologizing for slavery. Nobody makes it about race more than these people, nor is anyone more racist. Fuck me look at this doublethink: [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44782021] When you understand that, you will hopefully realize that[B] positive discrimination [/B]is an attempt to tackle this bias and level the playing field so it isn't necessary any more later once everyone realises white men aren't the only ones who can do that job.[/QUOTE] "Sorry you won't be valued as much as someone else even though you had the exact same achievements because someone else who shares your origin/race did well too."
Except I don't agree with blaming white people as a whole for shit and very few others do. So while you think you're being justifiably reactionary and are trying to be racist "ironically" you're shouting it at no one but your own strawman and just come across as, well, racist
All I get out of this retarded argument as an european is "all whites are american, therefore slavery". I mean the Ottomans did it too but nobody expects them to be sorry.
i am a white cis male and i am a terrible person [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hIsFXtc.jpg[/IMG]
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